How to restore NetBEUI on XP

M

M.Miura

I need to restore NetBEUI protocol to share some folders on my XP. Yet it's
not listed the protocol selection anymore. How can I restore the protocol?
Any suggestion greatly appreciated.

M.M.
 
S

Steve Winograd [MVP]

"M.Miura" said:
I need to restore NetBEUI protocol to share some folders on my XP. Yet it's
not listed the protocol selection anymore. How can I restore the protocol?
Any suggestion greatly appreciated.

M.M.

To install NetBEUI on Windows XP, follow the steps in this Microsoft
Knowledge Base article:

HOW TO: Install NetBEUI on Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;301041

If you don't mind my asking, why do you need NetBEUI? It's an
unsupported protocol in Windows XP, and Microsoft recommends not using
it. The TCP/IP protocol is sufficient for all common networking
needs.
--
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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J

John R Weiss

M.Miura said:
I need to restore NetBEUI protocol to share some folders on my XP. Yet it's
not listed the protocol selection anymore. How can I restore the protocol?
Any suggestion greatly appreciated.

It is normally in the \Valueadd\MSFT\Net folder on your XP CD. Some OEM
versions do not have it, though. Once you get the nbf.sys and netnbf.inf files:

copy nbf.sys into the %SYSTEMROOT%\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ directory
copy netnbf.inf into the %SYSTEMROOT%\INF\ directory
open network connection properties and use "Install..." button to add
NetBEUI protocol
 
J

John R Weiss

Steve Winograd said:
If you don't mind my asking, why do you need NetBEUI? It's an
unsupported protocol in Windows XP, and Microsoft recommends not using
it. The TCP/IP protocol is sufficient for all common networking
needs.

If he's like many of us, for some reason TCP/IP does not work for our needs "out
of the box." NETBEUI often solves networking problems in a small home network
without a lot of time and fuss.
 
S

Steve Winograd [MVP]

"John R Weiss" said:
If he's like many of us, for some reason TCP/IP does not work for our needs "out
of the box." NETBEUI often solves networking problems in a small home network
without a lot of time and fuss.

Interesting point, John. If you install NetBEUI, I recommend
un-binding File and Printer Sharing from TCP/IP, as I describe here:

Windows XP Network Protocols
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/network_protocols.htm

In my experience, problems with TCP/IP networking are almost always
caused by an incorrectly configured firewall.

However, NetBEUI's days are numbered. There's no option to install it
in Windows Vista.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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M

malcolm.cosby


I ended up installing NetBEUI about 3 weeks ago to install a brand new
network printer switch for a client. Rather than purchasing the one
that I specified, his secretary (God bless her) went with a model that
was 'on sale'. Turns it the only way to access the initial setup on it
was to install NetBEUI on a Microsoft XP machine.

In my research, I found that there are still quite a few pieces of
equipment out there, mostly sold to people needing to run in a
multi-client network (in the case, PC's and older Macs). If you do any
support in environments like that, make sure to take a close look at
wht you buy.

Malcolm
 
J

John R Weiss

Steve Winograd said:
Interesting point, John. If you install NetBEUI, I recommend
un-binding File and Printer Sharing from TCP/IP, as I describe here:

Windows XP Network Protocols
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/network_protocols.htm

In my experience, problems with TCP/IP networking are almost always
caused by an incorrectly configured firewall.

I've used NETBEUI extensively in mixed-OS environments, starting with WFWG
3.11/Win95 (with Novell and a Token-ring net!) and going all the way to a XP
Pro/XP Home LAN. Fortunately, XP Pro is more well behaved than the previous Win
versions, so I have not had to use NETBEUI on my XP Pro/Win2K LAN.

In none of those cases were firewalls the culprit, because there were no
software firewalls at all involved during initial installations, and only one
instance of a dedicated hardware firewall (behind which the entire LAN existed).

However, NetBEUI's days are numbered. There's no option to install it
in Windows Vista.

I agree that NETBEUI as a "universal antidote" SHOULD not be required, but the
fact is that it is considered as such by many people.
 
S

Steve Winograd [MVP]

I ended up installing NetBEUI about 3 weeks ago to install a brand new
network printer switch for a client. Rather than purchasing the one
that I specified, his secretary (God bless her) went with a model that
was 'on sale'. Turns it the only way to access the initial setup on it
was to install NetBEUI on a Microsoft XP machine.

In my research, I found that there are still quite a few pieces of
equipment out there, mostly sold to people needing to run in a
multi-client network (in the case, PC's and older Macs). If you do any
support in environments like that, make sure to take a close look at
wht you buy.

Malcolm

I think I've seen that too, Malcolm, with an old Netgear print server.
Can you remove NetBEUI after doing the initial setup on the network
printer switch that you saw?
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
S

Steve Winograd [MVP]

"John R Weiss" said:
I've used NETBEUI extensively in mixed-OS environments, starting with WFWG
3.11/Win95 (with Novell and a Token-ring net!) and going all the way to a XP
Pro/XP Home LAN. Fortunately, XP Pro is more well behaved than the previous Win
versions, so I have not had to use NETBEUI on my XP Pro/Win2K LAN.

In none of those cases were firewalls the culprit, because there were no
software firewalls at all involved during initial installations, and only one
instance of a dedicated hardware firewall (behind which the entire LAN existed).


I agree that NETBEUI as a "universal antidote" SHOULD not be required, but the
fact is that it is considered as such by many people.

I understand using NetBEUI in the days of WFWG 3.11, which didn't
include TCP/IP in the original release. Microsoft provided TCP/IP
later as a free download.

I've set up lots of mixed-OS environments since then, and TCP/IP has
always worked right out of the box. I remove NetBEUI when I find it
on a client's network.

So here's a summary of my view on the subject:

1. It's OK to use NetBEUI, but you won't be able to do it in Vista.

2. If you use it, un-bind File and Printer Sharing from TCP/IP.

3. NetBEUI is never necessary in a typical Windows network.

4. There's some unusual hardware, like Malcolm mentioned, that
requires it, at least during initial setup.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
K

Kerry Brown

Steve said:
I understand using NetBEUI in the days of WFWG 3.11, which didn't
include TCP/IP in the original release. Microsoft provided TCP/IP
later as a free download.

I've set up lots of mixed-OS environments since then, and TCP/IP has
always worked right out of the box. I remove NetBEUI when I find it
on a client's network.

So here's a summary of my view on the subject:

1. It's OK to use NetBEUI, but you won't be able to do it in Vista.

2. If you use it, un-bind File and Printer Sharing from TCP/IP.

3. NetBEUI is never necessary in a typical Windows network.

4. There's some unusual hardware, like Malcolm mentioned, that
requires it, at least during initial setup.

In addition to Steve's excellent synopsis I'll add the following:

5. NetBEUI is very noisy i.e a lot of broadcast traffic. It can slow down a
network. This is not a problem with small networks like a home or small
office.

6. NetBEUI is very insecure. Again this is probably not a problem in a home
network.

7. See #3. If your network needs NetBEUI it very likely something is
misconfigured somewhere unless #4 applies.
 

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