How do I change XP to count 1,2,3,4,5, etc and not 1,10,2,20, etc.

[Guest]

I have more than 100 filer in a folder named 1-100, XP used to display the
files
1,2,3,4, and so on, after running some XP optimiser programs XP now displays
the
files 1,10,11,12... 2.20,21,22... etc. I find this very annoying and I can't
change
it back.

 

[deviL doG]

I have more than 100 filer in a folder named 1-100, XP used to display the
files
1,2,3,4, and so on, after running some XP optimiser programs XP now
displays
the
files 1,10,11,12... 2.20,21,22... etc. I find this very annoying and I
can't
change
it back.

Welcome to Y2K. You need to use leading zeros. Every number must be 2
digits. 01, 02, .... 09, 10 etc. If you think you may have more than 100
files you need more leading zeros: 001, 002, .... 009, 010, etc. 1000 files?
you get the picture.

 

[David Candy]

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer]

"NoStrCmpLogical"=hex:00,00,00,00

 

[Stan Brown]

Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:46:33 -0500 from deviL doG

Welcome to Y2K. You need to use leading zeros. Every number must be 2
digits. 01, 02, .... 09, 10 etc. If you think you may have more than 100
files you need more leading zeros: 001, 002, .... 009, 010, etc. 1000 files?
you get the picture.

That's one option, but there's an option to have Windows do some sort
of "smart" sorting where files are displayed 1, 5, 10 instead of 1,
10, 5. I can. Problem is I can't remember where I found it, and I
can't find anything in Help and Support.

 

[Stan Brown]

Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:00:02 -0500 from Stan Brown

Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:46:33 -0500 from deviL doG

there's an option to have Windows do some sort
of "smart" sorting where files are displayed 1, 5, 10 instead of 1,
10, 5. I can. Problem is I can't remember where I found it, and I
can't find anything in Help and Support.

I did some googling and found (of course) Ramesh's site, specifically
<http://windowsxp.mvps.org/xpsortorder.htm>, with a registry tweak to
do this.

 

[Wesley Vogel]

TweakUI
[+] Explorer
Use intuitive filename sorting

[[If this is checked the Explorer will sort files so that, for e.g. “File 5”
comes before “File 10” because 5 comes before 10. If this is unchecked then
Explorer will use literal sorting, in which case “File 10” will come before
“File 5” because 1 comes before 5. ]]

The Sort Order for Files and Folders Whose Names Contain Numerals Is
Different in Windows XP Than It Is in Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;319827

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[Stan Brown]

Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:25:53 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:

TweakUI
[+] Explorer
Use intuitive filename sorting

[[If this is checked the Explorer will sort files so that, for e.g. ?File 5?
comes before ?File 10? because 5 comes before 10. If this is unchecked then
Explorer will use literal sorting, in which case ?File 10? will come before
?File 5? because 1 comes before 5. ]]

Unfortunately, that setting is not available in TweakUI.

It's one of a distressingly large number of per-user settings that
nevertheless don't show up in TweakUI un;less you're an
administrator. I've commented on some of the others in the past.
(Placing drive letters before or after drive labels is another that
commes to mind.)

 

[David Candy]

It's in the policy key that users may not change.


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Hi Stan,

You have click on the Word Explorer and then scroll down almost to the
bottom in the right hand pane. Use intuitive filename sorting is the second
from the bottom.

See the attached image, if it makes it here.

The majority, but not all, TweakUI settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.
Per-user settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.

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In

Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:25:53 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:

TweakUI
[+] Explorer
Use intuitive filename sorting

[[If this is checked the Explorer will sort files so that, for e.g.
?File 5? comes before ?File 10? because 5 comes before 10. If this is
unchecked then Explorer will use literal sorting, in which case ?File
10? will come before ?File 5? because 1 comes before 5. ]]

Unfortunately, that setting is not available in TweakUI.

It's one of a distressingly large number of per-user settings that
nevertheless don't show up in TweakUI un;less you're an
administrator. I've commented on some of the others in the past.
(Placing drive letters before or after drive labels is another that
commes to mind.)

 

[Wesley Vogel]

Here?
TweakUI
[+] About
Policy

Policy
[[Allows the user to run Group Policy in Windows XP Professional.
Alternatively you can click on Start | Run and type the phrase “gpedit.msc”
and Group Policy console appears.]]

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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

It's in the policy key that users may not change.


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Hi Stan,

You have click on the Word Explorer and then scroll down almost to the
bottom in the right hand pane. Use intuitive filename sorting is the
second from the bottom.

See the attached image, if it makes it here.

The majority, but not all, TweakUI settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.
Per-user settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:25:53 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:
TweakUI
[+] Explorer
Use intuitive filename sorting

[[If this is checked the Explorer will sort files so that, for e.g.
?File 5? comes before ?File 10? because 5 comes before 10. If this is
unchecked then Explorer will use literal sorting, in which case ?File
10? will come before ?File 5? because 1 comes before 5. ]]

Unfortunately, that setting is not available in TweakUI.

It's one of a distressingly large number of per-user settings that
nevertheless don't show up in TweakUI un;less you're an
administrator. I've commented on some of the others in the past.
(Placing drive letters before or after drive labels is another that
commes to mind.)

 

[David Candy]

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer
Look at security permissions on this key. You as a user cannot change it. It's membership of admin group that allows you to change.
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Here?
TweakUI
[+] About
Policy

Policy
[[Allows the user to run Group Policy in Windows XP Professional.
Alternatively you can click on Start | Run and type the phrase “gpedit.msc”
and Group Policy console appears.]]

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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

It's in the policy key that users may not change.


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Hi Stan,

You have click on the Word Explorer and then scroll down almost to the
bottom in the right hand pane. Use intuitive filename sorting is the
second from the bottom.

See the attached image, if it makes it here.

The majority, but not all, TweakUI settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.
Per-user settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Stan Brown <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:25:53 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:
TweakUI
[+] Explorer
Use intuitive filename sorting

[[If this is checked the Explorer will sort files so that, for e.g.
?File 5? comes before ?File 10? because 5 comes before 10. If this is
unchecked then Explorer will use literal sorting, in which case ?File
10? will come before ?File 5? because 1 comes before 5. ]]

Unfortunately, that setting is not available in TweakUI.

It's one of a distressingly large number of per-user settings that
nevertheless don't show up in TweakUI un;less you're an
administrator. I've commented on some of the others in the past.
(Placing drive letters before or after drive labels is another that
commes to mind.)

 

[Wesley Vogel]

I must have added my name at one time, because it's there for the whole
HKEY_CURRENT_USER key.

So any setting that TweakUI wants to change in
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explore
r
is verboten to any user who is not an Administrator.

If you aren't an Administrator you do not even see the options in TweakUI?

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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explore
r
Look at security permissions on this key. You as a user cannot change it.
It's membership of admin group that allows you to change.
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Here?
TweakUI
[+] About
Policy

Policy
[[Allows the user to run Group Policy in Windows XP Professional.
Alternatively you can click on Start | Run and type the phrase
“gpedit.msc” and Group Policy console appears.]]

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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

It's in the policy key that users may not change.

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Hi Stan,

You have click on the Word Explorer and then scroll down almost to the
bottom in the right hand pane. Use intuitive filename sorting is the
second from the bottom.

See the attached image, if it makes it here.

The majority, but not all, TweakUI settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.
Per-user settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Stan Brown <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:25:53 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:
TweakUI
[+] Explorer
Use intuitive filename sorting

[[If this is checked the Explorer will sort files so that, for e.g.
?File 5? comes before ?File 10? because 5 comes before 10. If this is
unchecked then Explorer will use literal sorting, in which case ?File
10? will come before ?File 5? because 1 comes before 5. ]]

Unfortunately, that setting is not available in TweakUI.

It's one of a distressingly large number of per-user settings that
nevertheless don't show up in TweakUI un;less you're an
administrator. I've commented on some of the others in the past.
(Placing drive letters before or after drive labels is another that
commes to mind.)

 

[David Candy]

Your name should be on the Policy key but not for writing (see Advanced in the Security dialog). This is what stops users overriding policy.

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I must have added my name at one time, because it's there for the whole
HKEY_CURRENT_USER key.

So any setting that TweakUI wants to change in
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explore
r
is verboten to any user who is not an Administrator.

If you aren't an Administrator you do not even see the options in TweakUI?

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explore
r
Look at security permissions on this key. You as a user cannot change it.
It's membership of admin group that allows you to change.
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Here?
TweakUI
[+] About
Policy

Policy
[[Allows the user to run Group Policy in Windows XP Professional.
Alternatively you can click on Start | Run and type the phrase
“gpedit.msc” and Group Policy console appears.]]

--
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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In David Candy <.> hunted and pecked:
It's in the policy key that users may not change.


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Hi Stan,

You have click on the Word Explorer and then scroll down almost to the
bottom in the right hand pane. Use intuitive filename sorting is the
second from the bottom.

See the attached image, if it makes it here.

The majority, but not all, TweakUI settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.
Per-user settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Stan Brown <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:25:53 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:
TweakUI
[+] Explorer
Use intuitive filename sorting

[[If this is checked the Explorer will sort files so that, for e.g.
?File 5? comes before ?File 10? because 5 comes before 10. If this is
unchecked then Explorer will use literal sorting, in which case ?File
10? will come before ?File 5? because 1 comes before 5. ]]

Unfortunately, that setting is not available in TweakUI.

It's one of a distressingly large number of per-user settings that
nevertheless don't show up in TweakUI un;less you're an
administrator. I've commented on some of the others in the past.
(Placing drive letters before or after drive labels is another that
commes to mind.)

 

[Guest]

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer]

"NoStrCmpLogical"=hex:00,00,00,00


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I have more than 100 files in a folder named 1-100, XP used to display the
files
1,2,3,4, and so on, after running some XP optimiser programs XP now displays
the
files 1,10,11,12... 2.20,21,22... etc. I find this very annoying and I can't
change
it back.

Thank you all for your help, Tweak UI and fixing the registry value helped restore the way files are sorted.

 

[Wesley Vogel]

I must have been fairly ambitious at one time as I am listed twice. I must
have thought that I owned this machine. What a goofy idea.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies
Permissions | Advanced tab
Type: Allow
Name: Wesley P. Vogel (MYPENTIUM450\Wesley P. Vogel)
Permission: Full Control
Inherited From: <not inherited>
Apply to: This key and subkeys

Type: Allow
Name: Wesley P. Vogel (MYPENTIUM\Wesley P. Vogel)
Permission: Read
Inherited From:
CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies
Apply to: This key and subkeys

Owner tab
Administrators (MYPENTIUM450\Administrators) [The current owner]
Wesley P. Vogel (MYPENTIUM450\Wesley P. Vogel)

I do seem to remember trying to change me to the owner, but that never
worked.

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Your name should be on the Policy key but not for writing (see Advanced
in the Security dialog). This is what stops users overriding policy.

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I must have added my name at one time, because it's there for the whole
HKEY_CURRENT_USER key.

So any setting that TweakUI wants to change in
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explore
r
is verboten to any user who is not an Administrator.

If you aren't an Administrator you do not even see the options in
TweakUI?

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explore
r

Look at security permissions on this key. You as a user cannot change
it. It's membership of admin group that allows you to change.

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Here?
TweakUI
[+] About
Policy

Policy
[[Allows the user to run Group Policy in Windows XP Professional.
Alternatively you can click on Start | Run and type the phrase
“gpedit.msc” and Group Policy console appears.]]

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In David Candy <.> hunted and pecked:
It's in the policy key that users may not change.

http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/12/thank_you_and_g.html#comments

=================================================
Hi Stan,

You have click on the Word Explorer and then scroll down almost to
the bottom in the right hand pane. Use intuitive filename sorting
is the second from the bottom.

See the attached image, if it makes it here.

The majority, but not all, TweakUI settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.
Per-user settings are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Stan Brown <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:25:53 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:
TweakUI
[+] Explorer
Use intuitive filename sorting

[[If this is checked the Explorer will sort files so that, for e.g.
?File 5? comes before ?File 10? because 5 comes before 10. If this
is unchecked then Explorer will use literal sorting, in which case
?File 10? will come before ?File 5? because 1 comes before 5. ]]

Unfortunately, that setting is not available in TweakUI.

It's one of a distressingly large number of per-user settings that
nevertheless don't show up in TweakUI un;less you're an
administrator. I've commented on some of the others in the past.
(Placing drive letters before or after drive labels is another that
commes to mind.)

 

[Stan Brown]

Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:31:39 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:

Here?
TweakUI
[+] About
Policy

Policy
[[Allows the user to run Group Policy in Windows XP Professional.
Alternatively you can click on Start | Run and type the phrase ?gpedit.msc?
and Group Policy console appears.]]

Sorry, I don't understand. (Maybe if I knew what that was a quote
from....)

In TweakUI as a limited user, there is no About->Policy tab. As admin
user, there is such a tab but its _entire_ content is a statement
that Group Policy Editor lets you change stuff, and then a button to
launch same.

Once in Group Policy Editor, I couldn't find anything like what you
suggest, perhaps through not knowing where to look.

Just to review, my problem is how to set per-user settings in TweakUI
when it doesn't present them to me s a limited user. If I need to
make a Group Policy setting as a limited user I'm willing to do that,
but I would appreciate some direction.

 

[Wesley Vogel]

Tweak UI for Windows XP Guide
http://www.winxpsolution.com/Tweakuixppro.aspx

If you have a limited account, you can't do diddly. SOL mean anything? ;-)

From XP HELP:
[[The limited account is intended for someone who should be prohibited from
changing most computer settings and deleting important files. A user with a
limited account:

• Cannot install software or hardware, but can access programs that have
already been installed on the computer.
• Can change his or her account picture and can also create, change, or
delete his or her password.
• Cannot change his or her account name or account type. A user with a
computer administrator account must make these kinds of changes.

Note
Some programs might not work properly for users with limited accounts. If
so, change the user's account type to computer administrator, either
temporarily or permanently. ]]

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Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:31:39 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:

Here?
TweakUI
[+] About
Policy

Policy
[[Allows the user to run Group Policy in Windows XP Professional.
Alternatively you can click on Start | Run and type the phrase
?gpedit.msc? and Group Policy console appears.]]

Sorry, I don't understand. (Maybe if I knew what that was a quote
from....)

In TweakUI as a limited user, there is no About->Policy tab. As admin
user, there is such a tab but its _entire_ content is a statement
that Group Policy Editor lets you change stuff, and then a button to
launch same.

Once in Group Policy Editor, I couldn't find anything like what you
suggest, perhaps through not knowing where to look.

Just to review, my problem is how to set per-user settings in TweakUI
when it doesn't present them to me s a limited user. If I need to
make a Group Policy setting as a limited user I'm willing to do that,
but I would appreciate some direction.

 

[Stan Brown]

Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:29:27 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:

Tweak UI for Windows XP Guide
http://www.winxpsolution.com/Tweakuixppro.aspx

If you have a limited account, you can't do diddly. SOL mean anything? ;-)

So what point were you making in your previous article?

 

[Wesley Vogel]

I didn't realize at that time that if you had a limited account that you
cannot do anything, whether with TweakUI or anything else. I also thought
that you were just over looking these options in TweakUI. I did not know
that those TweakUI options weren't actually available to users with limited
accounts.

I apologize for doubting you, Stan. ;-)

I have very limited experience with limited accounts. :-D

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[Stan Brown]

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:42:17 -0700 from Wesley Vogel <123WVogel955
@comcast.net>:

I didn't realize at that time that if you had a limited account that you
cannot do anything, whether with TweakUI or anything else. I also thought
that you were just over looking these options in TweakUI. I did not know
that those TweakUI options weren't actually available to users with limited
accounts.

Thanks for the explanation.

(insert usual rant about the idiots who programmed TweakUI not to let
limited users use many per-user settings)

 

[David Candy]

I can't remember if I hate you or not. If I do"

You are showing your stupidity again. Wake up idiot.

If I don't.

It has nothing to do with Raymond. He can't change them because windows won't let him. They are not per user settings but what group policy writes to the registry when applied.

Users can change user settings. Users cannot change group policy settings else users can just edit the registry after logging on to circumvent group policy. Some functions have both a user setting and a GP setting. If the GP is set the user UI disapears.