How Can You Do This In Vista?

[Frank]

No need to wish. You admitted it right here on this newsgroup. Not only
that, you also admitted you couldn't install Vista without calling
Microsoft for help.



Liar. You're scared sh¡tless to post in a Linux newsgroup.

Hahaha...you're a weak little POS aren't you. You actually think it
takes "balls" to be a stupid loser troll...hahaha...LOL!
That's hilarious! You're even dumber than anyone ever thought!
Now take your little "balls"...hahaha...and go on over to your open
sores chapel and kiss RS's hairy arse...LOL!
You're a real loser.
Frank

 

[Frank]

Another of Frank's childish "I know you are but what am I" posts. Yawn.

Alias

Translation: alias is once again caught in one of his many lies.
Frank

 

[forty-nine]

I have no problem with either.


How would you know?

Alias

I have it, on 2 PC's now.
Wanna test your patience with ubuntu ?
Try triple booting it with Vista and XP on a RAID 0.
XP install on RAID...no problem ( I do have to F6 the RAID drivers in)
Vista install on RAID ... no problem.
ubuntu install on RAID....choke, choke.
I do, however, like gparted...better partition control than the MS OS's
offer.
I also prefer the naming of partitions as C D E F....makes sense.
This linux crap uses naming like nvidia_aejcdbcd1 , sda0, sdb1, ...good
grief...simplify it man.

It's a Frankenstein OS in that much of the packages for DVD, mp3 playback
come from different
sourses and repositories....who knows what you're actually D/L ing ... I
probably broke 10 laws doing so :O

 

[Stephan Rose]

I have it, on 2 PC's now.
Wanna test your patience with ubuntu ? Try triple booting it with Vista
and XP on a RAID 0. XP install on RAID...no problem ( I do have to F6
the RAID drivers in) Vista install on RAID ... no problem. ubuntu
install on RAID....choke, choke. I do, however, like gparted...better
partition control than the MS OS's offer.
I also prefer the naming of partitions as C D E F....makes sense. This
linux crap uses naming like nvidia_aejcdbcd1 , sda0, sdb1, ...good
grief...simplify it man.

sda0, first drive, first partition
sda1, first drive, second partition
sda2, first drive, third partition
sdb0, second drive, first partition
sdb1, second drive, second partition
sdb2, second drive, third partition

See a pattern emerging?

What's so difficult about that?

Also, the C,D,E,F,etc. split that microsoft has is also inconvenient once
you get used to better things. I prefer linux' way of having one "file
system" where everything gets mapped to regardless of physical location.

It makes management of multiple volumes and drives significantly easier
than having to wade through a sea of meaningless drive letters.

It's a Frankenstein OS in that much of the packages for DVD, mp3
playback come from different
sourses and repositories....who knows what you're actually D/L ing ... I
probably broke 10 laws doing so :O

DVD CSS support and win32 codecs? It's 2 frigging packages to get from a
non-default repository. Get a frigging grip. They can't be included by
default due to legal reasons, in the US anyway. Distributions that *do*
include them by default are breaking laws hence why Ubuntu doesn't do it.

--
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[Stephan Rose]

I don't use the Vista menu. I immediately change to classic and resort
the groups. But it really should not be that hard to find icons. Have
they changed that much?

Well, can I find my way around in Vista? Sure I can if I have to.

The thing that exceedingly annoyed me about Vista's UI when I played with
it is that it seems to be extremely counter intuitive. It seems a little
to me as if the Vista UI is somewhat designed to take you to anywhere
from anywhere.

Things that I would expect to be in place A I found in place B among with
things I would have never expected to be in place B. And sometimes I'd
get to the place from one location, sometimes from another location.
Overall, I was missing a major sense of coherency in the entire Vista UI.

For me, the Vista UI is anything but productive. For me, it's counter
productive. It's pretty...I give microsoft credit for the looks...but it
surely does little to aid me in productivity. That's my experience,
other's may and of course will vary.

Of course I can ultimately deal with the Vista UI and find my way around
but it just takes more work on my part than I like to put in.

Hence why I said the problem is in finding the stupid thing. =)

And I think this is one area where Microsoft could learn a bit from the
Linux world. It seems that MS, especially after I have read some of their
new developer guidelines regarding vista, is going down the "our way or
the highway" road. Particularly because they are trying to force their UI
designs and standards onto software developers writing software for Vista
while minimizing customization choices on the user end.

Of course ultimately the goal is, and I can see the reasoning behind it,
that they want to achieve a common UI with a common look across the board
for everything. In a perfect world that is a perfectly fine goal. We
don't live in a perfect world.

What's a good UI design choice for one app may be horrible for another
app. What one user likes another user may absolutely hate. There isn't
one way that is "the best" and all others are bad. However, that is what
MS is trying to achieve with Vista it seems.

In my opinion MS would be better off with regards to UI if they would
give people more choice as there is in the Linux world. I personally
absolutely loathe KDE. I am serious. I'd rather use Vista before I'd use
a KDE based linux distribution. Luckily, I have a choice and can use
gnome instead which works perfectly with the way I think and do things.

I see a trend in Vista's UI design that is less flexible than XP was in
MS' goal to enforce one common look. But in my opinion, they should make
it *more* flexible and allow more choices because not every user has the
same needs and same tastes (or lack thereof ).

--
Stephan
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[forty-nine]

sda0, first drive, first partition
sda1, first drive, second partition
sda2, first drive, third partition
sdb0, second drive, first partition
sdb1, second drive, second partition
sdb2, second drive, third partition

See a pattern emerging?

What's so difficult about that?

Also, the C,D,E,F,etc. split that microsoft has is also inconvenient once
you get used to better things. I prefer linux' way of having one "file
system" where everything gets mapped to regardless of physical location.

It makes management of multiple volumes and drives significantly easier
than having to wade through a sea of meaningless drive letters.



DVD CSS support and win32 codecs? It's 2 frigging packages to get from a
non-default repository. Get a frigging grip. They can't be included by
default due to legal reasons, in the US anyway. Distributions that *do*
include them by default are breaking laws hence why Ubuntu doesn't do it.

You're sure worried what I think about ubuntu.

What you like or dislike about it is meaningless to me...ain't that
right?

If the packages are "legal" , why aren't they on the US server...only
the Main server ?

Whether that bothers you or not...I don't know.
You can't find a "definitive" answer reading online, so it all sounds a
little iffy.

Speaking of "getting a grip" , why do you care if I like ubuntu or not ?
You an investor or something ?
You got like ... what?....9 bucks in CD's invested in it.

 

[forty-nine]

Well, can I find my way around in Vista? Sure I can if I have to.

The thing that exceedingly annoyed me about Vista's UI when I played with
it is that it seems to be extremely counter intuitive. It seems a little
to me as if the Vista UI is somewhat designed to take you to anywhere
from anywhere.

Things that I would expect to be in place A I found in place B among with
things I would have never expected to be in place B. And sometimes I'd
get to the place from one location, sometimes from another location.
Overall, I was missing a major sense of coherency in the entire Vista UI.

For me, the Vista UI is anything but productive. For me, it's counter
productive. It's pretty...I give microsoft credit for the looks...but it
surely does little to aid me in productivity. That's my experience,
other's may and of course will vary.

Of course I can ultimately deal with the Vista UI and find my way around
but it just takes more work on my part than I like to put in.

Hence why I said the problem is in finding the stupid thing. =)

And I think this is one area where Microsoft could learn a bit from the
Linux world. It seems that MS, especially after I have read some of their
new developer guidelines regarding vista, is going down the "our way or
the highway" road. Particularly because they are trying to force their UI
designs and standards onto software developers writing software for Vista
while minimizing customization choices on the user end.

Of course ultimately the goal is, and I can see the reasoning behind it,
that they want to achieve a common UI with a common look across the board
for everything. In a perfect world that is a perfectly fine goal. We
don't live in a perfect world.

What's a good UI design choice for one app may be horrible for another
app. What one user likes another user may absolutely hate. There isn't
one way that is "the best" and all others are bad. However, that is what
MS is trying to achieve with Vista it seems.

In my opinion MS would be better off with regards to UI if they would
give people more choice as there is in the Linux world. I personally
absolutely loathe KDE. I am serious. I'd rather use Vista before I'd use
a KDE based linux distribution. Luckily, I have a choice and can use
gnome instead which works perfectly with the way I think and do things.

I see a trend in Vista's UI design that is less flexible than XP was in
MS' goal to enforce one common look. But in my opinion, they should make
it *more* flexible and allow more choices because not every user has the
same needs and same tastes (or lack thereof ).

--
Stephan
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What's so great about gnome ?
Don't tell me...you can move the "door" .
Vista's interface is far easier to myself than gnome.
You make a living from linux...that's where your bias is from.

 

[Alias]

Hahaha...you're a weak little POS aren't you. You actually think it
takes "balls" to be a stupid loser troll...hahaha...LOL!
That's hilarious! You're even dumber than anyone ever thought!
Now take your little "balls"...hahaha...and go on over to your open
sores chapel and kiss RS's hairy arse...LOL!
You're a real loser.
Frank

One pushes Frank's buttons and out pops a prerecorded message.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Translation: alias is once again caught in one of his many lies.
Frank

Stick to playing with your one computer on your kitchen table.
Translation is not your strong suit.

Alias

 

[Frank]

One pushes Frank's buttons and out pops a prerecorded message.

Alias

Dodging the subject matter are you?
What's wrong, you don't have the "balls' to take it like a man...LOL!
You're one really pathetic piece of sh*t excuse for a human being.
Frank

 

[Frank]

Stick to playing with your one computer on your kitchen table.
Translation is not your strong suit.

Alias

Translation: aliass strong suit is lying...hahaha...LOL!
Loser.
Frank

 

[Stephan Rose]

What's so great about gnome ?
Don't tell me...you can move the "door" . Vista's interface is far
easier to myself than gnome. You make a living from linux...that's where
your bias is from.

In two simple words: Personal preference.

Seriously nothing more, nothing less. I think that gnome could use a
little bit of a polish in the looks department maybe. I don't think it
looks bad or anything but I do think it could look a bit better. I think
though one of the new features come April will be a new improved gnome
look. =)

But seriously, what do I like about it? It's complete total utter
simplicity. For me, it's absolutely perfect. I also like the split top
and bottom panels as that gives me space for applications in the bottom
bar.

But ultimately, it's just pure personal preference and opinion. It just
simply works well with me.

And actually, while I do make money, or will rather once the new product
is finishes, off linux...I've been making money writing windows software
for far longer. I've been writing software for windows for roughly 10
years. I've only been using Linux for just about a year now.

--
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[Stephan Rose]

You're sure worried what I think about ubuntu.

What you like or dislike about it is meaningless to me...ain't that
right?

Don't get me wrong. I'm absolutely not worried even the slightest. But I
don't mind the occasional discussion if it doesn't degenerate to an
alias / frank level. =)

If the packages are "legal" , why aren't they on the US server...only
the Main server ?

Whether that bothers you or not...I don't know. You can't find a
"definitive" answer reading online, so it all sounds a little iffy.

It all essentially has to do with the whole digital rights / copyright
laws.

Win32 codecs is pretty easy. They are windows codecs. Microsoft and
Microsoft alone has rights to those. When you purchase windows you
obviously also purchase a license automatically to use those codecs.
However, when you download Ubuntu or any other Linux distro you are not
paying for the right to use those codecs. So for that reason, Ubuntu does
not include them.

The same applies to the CSS decoding. Circumventing the encryption on a
DVD breaks some digital protection or copyright law. I'm not a lawyer but
it's something along those lines. This is a US law though and only
applies in the US unless of course another country has it's own such law.

So again, for legal reasons, Ubuntu can't include this by default.

The medibuntu repository actually has nothing officially to do with
Ubuntu. It is not an official Ubuntu repository. It's just a repository
maintained by other people for those things that, at least in the US,
can't be officially included in ubuntu due to legal problems. I have no
clue though where this repository is physically located as far as the
server goes. It's very well maintained so from a OS stability / security
standpoint it is perfectly safe to use, but it's the users responsibility
to comply with their local laws in regards to what they download.

Now the thing about CSS is, it actually is a problem under windows.
Reason being, DVD region coding. In my case for instance, I have DVDs
from the US, Germany and Japan. Those are 3 different region codes and
DVD players, even the ones in a computer, are normally only capable of
playing DVDs from one region, namely the region that the player was sold
in.

So basically if I have US DVD player, I can only play US DVDs. Well wait,
now what do I do with my German or Japanese DVDs!? I frigging paid for
them so I sure as hell would like to use them.

So even under windows, in order for me to use all my content, I have to
circumvent the encryption / protection mechanisms to be able to use it,
which that is the part that isn't legal. There actually is software for
this under windows to do precisely that. I own a copy.

No version of windows, be it XP or Vista, will play my Japanese DVDs
without me installing software to circumvent their encryption mechanisms.
Either that or I'd have to buy my hardware from Japan which is
exceedingly difficult to do. You wouldn't believe the trouble I've gone
through to get my 2 japanese keyboards.

So really, as far as CSS goes, both linux and windows are in the same
boat for anyone who needs to use DVDs from more than one region. It
technically can't "legally" be done in the US. Europe is a different
story, shit they sell region-free DVD players here a lot. =)

So ultimately, the restrictions in Ubuntu with regards to Win32 and CSS
are not due to the developers not being able to support it. It's just due
to legal problems that could otherwise result if they did support it.

Speaking of "getting a grip" , why do you care if I like ubuntu or not ?
You an investor or something ?
You got like ... what?....9 bucks in CD's invested in it.

I don't care, I just think you're blowing having to download 2 packages
from another repository out of proportions. But do I ultimately *really*
care? Naw. But like I said, I do enjoy the occasional discussion about
stuff like this. =)

--
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[forty-nine]

Don't get me wrong. I'm absolutely not worried even the slightest. But I
don't mind the occasional discussion if it doesn't degenerate to an
alias / frank level. =)


It all essentially has to do with the whole digital rights / copyright
laws.

Win32 codecs is pretty easy. They are windows codecs. Microsoft and
Microsoft alone has rights to those. When you purchase windows you
obviously also purchase a license automatically to use those codecs.
However, when you download Ubuntu or any other Linux distro you are not
paying for the right to use those codecs. So for that reason, Ubuntu does
not include them.

The same applies to the CSS decoding. Circumventing the encryption on a
DVD breaks some digital protection or copyright law. I'm not a lawyer but
it's something along those lines. This is a US law though and only
applies in the US unless of course another country has it's own such law.

So again, for legal reasons, Ubuntu can't include this by default.

The medibuntu repository actually has nothing officially to do with
Ubuntu. It is not an official Ubuntu repository. It's just a repository
maintained by other people for those things that, at least in the US,
can't be officially included in ubuntu due to legal problems. I have no
clue though where this repository is physically located as far as the
server goes. It's very well maintained so from a OS stability / security
standpoint it is perfectly safe to use, but it's the users responsibility
to comply with their local laws in regards to what they download.

Now the thing about CSS is, it actually is a problem under windows.
Reason being, DVD region coding. In my case for instance, I have DVDs
from the US, Germany and Japan. Those are 3 different region codes and
DVD players, even the ones in a computer, are normally only capable of
playing DVDs from one region, namely the region that the player was sold
in.

So basically if I have US DVD player, I can only play US DVDs. Well wait,
now what do I do with my German or Japanese DVDs!? I frigging paid for
them so I sure as hell would like to use them.

So even under windows, in order for me to use all my content, I have to
circumvent the encryption / protection mechanisms to be able to use it,
which that is the part that isn't legal. There actually is software for
this under windows to do precisely that. I own a copy.

No version of windows, be it XP or Vista, will play my Japanese DVDs
without me installing software to circumvent their encryption mechanisms.
Either that or I'd have to buy my hardware from Japan which is
exceedingly difficult to do. You wouldn't believe the trouble I've gone
through to get my 2 japanese keyboards.

So really, as far as CSS goes, both linux and windows are in the same
boat for anyone who needs to use DVDs from more than one region. It
technically can't "legally" be done in the US. Europe is a different
story, shit they sell region-free DVD players here a lot. =)

So ultimately, the restrictions in Ubuntu with regards to Win32 and CSS
are not due to the developers not being able to support it. It's just due
to legal problems that could otherwise result if they did support it.


I don't care, I just think you're blowing having to download 2 packages
from another repository out of proportions. But do I ultimately *really*
care? Naw. But like I said, I do enjoy the occasional discussion about
stuff like this. =)

--
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Well, that was a good answer.
I have had no dealing with changing the DVD region in Windows... I've never
needed to.
I assumed it could be changed as a users needs changed.
I even bought the decoder for XP.
I don't usually attempt to circumvent any of these types of problems...its
easier to pay the
40 bucks for the proper software.
The big deal with the plugins is that unless you are aware of changing the
default repository
server, the first DL was ~20M of packages thru add/remove software.
Changing the server, it was a small ~80KB DL thru synaptic.

For the ubuntu pushers, it's "small" details like this that make ubuntu
hardly equivalent to Vista.
Vista is "complete", with all these little "inconveniences" included...no
circumventing needed.
And...lets don't even get started on drivers.

 

[Scott Roberts]

And actually, while I do make money, or will rather once the new product
is finishes, off linux...I've been making money writing windows software
for far longer. I've been writing software for windows for roughly 10
years. I've only been using Linux for just about a year now.

If you end up actually making money writing software for Linux, you will be
among the elite few.

 

[Stephan Rose]

If you end up actually making money writing software for Linux, you will
be among the elite few.

It's a product based on a 300MHz ARM Processor running linux as it's
operating system with support for USB, TFT LCD, Ethernet and a few other
goodies. Should turn out to be very nice when I'm done. =)

--
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[Stephan Rose]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:14:51 -0500, forty-nine wrote:

Well, that was a good answer.
I have had no dealing with changing the DVD region in Windows... I've
never needed to.
I assumed it could be changed as a users needs changed. I even bought
the decoder for XP.

It can *but* only a limit number of times. The DVD hardware generally
allows you to change it's region so that if someone buys a DVD player in
one region they can then use it in another region. However, there is a
limit how often this can be done and it is not a lot. 5 times or so it's
over and the player is locked to whatever region it is now forever.

I don't usually attempt to circumvent any of these types of
problems...its easier to pay the
40 bucks for the proper software.

If you're referring to standard DVD Player software, that only allows you
to watch DVDs coded to the same region as your dvd player. As soon as you
put in a DVD from another region you're out of luck.

The big deal with the plugins is that unless you are aware of changing
the default repository
server, the first DL was ~20M of packages thru add/remove software.
Changing the server, it was a small ~80KB DL thru synaptic.

You shouldn't have to change the complete default repository. You can
just add medibuntu as an additional repository.

For the ubuntu pushers, it's "small" details like this that make ubuntu
hardly equivalent to Vista.
Vista is "complete", with all these little "inconveniences"
included...no circumventing needed.

If I want to watch my Japanese DVDs under Vista then yes, DVD protection
does need to be circumvented. Even under Vista....

This is what you would need under XP:

http://www.dvdidle.com/dvd-region-free.htm

I just noticed now that they don't have support for Vista. So in that
regard, I can hardly imagine Vista doing the things listed that this
software does with all the DRM *protection* that Vista has built in. It'd
be quite hypocritical if Vista with all it's hype about DRM goes ahead
and removes DVD's copy protections to allow me to use any region DVD.

So seeing how that software isn't supported under Vista apparently, looks
like I'd have some problems with Vista when it comes to my media....

And...lets don't even get started on drivers.

Ultimately, I don't have a problem with drivers in any OS but when it
comes to out of the box detection, at least with my hardware, Ubuntu
beats both Vista and XP significantly. So for me, they just differ in the
amount of work I have to put in to make things work.

I just avoid hardware from manufacturers with crappy Linux support so I
don't really have any hardware or driver problems. And just for reference:

Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz
4096 MB 800MHz DDR2 Kingston HyperX
nVidia 8800 GTX

About the only significant upgrade I could make to my system would be a
quad core which I'll probably do early next year. =)

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[S.SubZero]

They've already decided they don't want Vista, so, more than likely they'll
go with the wobbly windows and turn off that effect. They'll be left with a
stable and secure os that works.

I ran Vista x64 from February to November. I never had a problem with
it.

In Vista I ran Virtualbox, a nifty virtualization environment that is
Linux-friendly and has many Linux users. In fact I'd say more people
run it on a Linux host than Windows.

I installed OS/2 in Virtualbox. Installed Seamonkey. Ran like a
charm.
I installed Solaris 10 in Virtualbox. Installed Seamonkey. Ran like
a charm.
I installed Windows XP in Virtualbox. Installed Seamonkey. Ran like
a charm.
I installed Windows 2000 in Virtualbox. Installed Seamonkey. Ran
like a charm.
I installed BeOS 5.0 in Virtualbox. Ran slow as hell. Installed
Seamonkey. Ran like a very slow charm.
I installed OpenStep 4.2 in Virtualbox. There's no Seamonkey but
there's Openweb. Ran like a charm.
I installed Ubuntu 7.10 in Virtualbox. I installed Seamonkey. The OS
crashed out to the login screen.

*shrug*