Home Photo Printing vs Store Photo Prints

V

Vince

Has anybody done cost analysis for thier home photosmart printer,
considering the cost of inkjet ink and photo paper ?

I have a HP7350 and a HP4L. Right now, the HP4L needs toner cart. My
needs are more text printing than photo printing. With 4x6 photo
prints of my digicam snapshots going for 17 cents (US), I am wondering
if I should give up on the photosmart printer.
 
J

Jim

Vince said:
Has anybody done cost analysis for thier home photosmart printer,
considering the cost of inkjet ink and photo paper ?

I have a HP7350 and a HP4L. Right now, the HP4L needs toner cart. My
needs are more text printing than photo printing. With 4x6 photo
prints of my digicam snapshots going for 17 cents (US), I am wondering
if I should give up on the photosmart printer.
If all you need are 4x6, it certainly makes economic sense to use the store.
Jim
 
C

CWatters

Jim said:
If all you need are 4x6, it certainly makes economic sense to use the store.
Jim

How far away is your store and how much gas does the car use?
 
B

Burt

On line photo services are quite cheap for 4x6's. Ofoto has run some great
specials. I prefer, however, to print from Photoshop Elements so I can
correct and improve my prints even when I am printing 4x6's. Using
aftermarket inks (bulk refilling with MIS ink for my Canon i960) and
precutting Costco Kirkland photo glossy paper into 4x6's, my cost per print
is less than any photo service. The paper cost - 125 sheets @ $19 - is
about five cents per 4 x 6 and the ink cost is a few pennies. Best of all,
I can shoot pictures and have beautiful custom prints in minutes. I haven't
calculated the cost of ink for an 8x10, but I'd guess that paper and ink all
together are less than 30 cents.
 
M

measekite

Burt said:
On line photo services are quite cheap for 4x6's. Ofoto has run some great
specials. I prefer, however, to print from Photoshop Elements so I can
correct and improve my prints even when I am printing 4x6's. Using
aftermarket inks

BIG RISK FOR CLOGGING. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT INK YOU ARE USING BECAUSE
THE PLACE WHERE YOU BUY THAT LABEL WILL NOT TELL YOU WHAT THEY ARE
SELLING YOU
(bulk refilling with MIS ink for my Canon i960) and
precutting Costco Kirkland photo glossy paper into 4x6's, my cost per print
is less than any photo service. The paper cost - 125 sheets @ $19 - is
about five cents per 4 x 6 and the
POTENTIALLY CLOGGING
 
B

Bob Headrick

Vince said:
Has anybody done cost analysis for their home photosmart printer,
considering the cost of inkjet ink and photo paper ?

I have a HP7350 and a HP4L. Right now, the HP4L needs toner cart. My
needs are more text printing than photo printing. With 4x6 photo
prints of my digicam snapshots going for 17 cents (US), I am wondering
if I should give up on the photosmart printer.

If you decide to print your own you might want to take a look at some of the
"Photo Value Pack" bundles. See
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...-one+paper&subcat2=ink_paper_combos&aoid=9870.
For your printer there are photo value packs that have print costs of $0.29.
Depending on the quantity you print and the shipping charges you may find this
a good option.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
 
M

Mike Berger

If your only criterion is cost, it will be cheaper to get your
prints done outside. Most of us use our own printers for
convenience and flexibility, not economy.
 
S

SleeperMan

Burt said:
On line photo services are quite cheap for 4x6's. Ofoto has run some
great specials. I prefer, however, to print from Photoshop Elements
so I can correct and improve my prints even when I am printing 4x6's.
Using aftermarket inks (bulk refilling with MIS ink for my Canon
i960) and precutting Costco Kirkland photo glossy paper into 4x6's,
my cost per print is less than any photo service. The paper cost -
125 sheets @ $19 - is about five cents per 4 x 6 and the ink cost is
a few pennies. Best of all, I can shoot pictures and have beautiful
custom prints in minutes. I haven't calculated the cost of ink for
an 8x10, but I'd guess that paper and ink all together are less than
30 cents.
Hm...i could hardly agree with you. No matter what cheap ink you use, the
cost of paper itself is more expensive than one lab photo. And if you buy
some cheap paper, then you can't really compare your photo with a lab one.
If you want to make really good photo, you must buy the most expensive paper
available and use original ink, or you will suffer from low quality and
quick fading.
Home printing is not to be cheaper, but rather for fun, or when you need a
couple of photos quickly etc. There is no calculation here....
 
B

Burt

SleeperMan said:
Hm...i could hardly agree with you. No matter what cheap ink you use, the
cost of paper itself is more expensive than one lab photo. And if you buy
some cheap paper, then you can't really compare your photo with a lab one.
If you want to make really good photo, you must buy the most expensive
paper available and use original ink, or you will suffer from low quality
and quick fading.
Home printing is not to be cheaper, but rather for fun, or when you need a
couple of photos quickly etc. There is no calculation here....

Sleeperman - In my area (San Francisco) and in most urban areas of the US
there is a Costco store that carries Kirkland Glossy Photo paper. It is
reputed to be made by Ilford and gives excellent results with Canon
printers. As I mentioned in my post, the cost per 8x10 sheet is 15 cents
and it yields 3 4x6's for a cost of 5 cents. I am in communication with
several people, some of whom post to this newsgroup, who use MIS inks (that
is the one I use), Formulabs, or Hobbicolors inks. One of the people who is
using Formulabs has developed custom profiles to increase the accuracy of
the colors and uses an expensive, very precise colorimeter to analyze the
ink/paper combination. To the eye, MIS inks and OEM inks prints almost
identically and side-by-side evaluation of the Kirkland paper vs. Canon
photo paper pro and Epson glossy photo paper, both good papers, show
virtually comparable results. I've done a very large sampling of OEM and
MIS prints on all these papers plus a range of matte surface papers and
compared them in various lighting situations.

Bottom line - I can do an excellent custom adjusted 4x6 print for 5 cents
worth of paper and a few cents for the bulk MIS refill ink. Is it as good
as a lab print? I don't know. I think it is as good as most inkjet
printers can deliver. Some lab prints are better than others as well. The
best lab prints, in my estimation are still from high quality film camera -
the larger the format, the best lighting and exposure, and the lowest ISO
film the better. My digital cameras are only 4 and 5 mp, but they both
provide very good prints up to the largest size my printer will deliver
which is 8.5x11. Under 8x magnification with a jewelers loupe, however, the
best looking digital prints still show the "dots" of ink that make up a
picture that can look great to the naked eye.

After trips I print as many as 600 images, most in 4x6 format, as that is
what my wife prefers. Most of the images are improved first, whether it is
simply cropping or a more complex series of adjustments. While I do this
for fun and esthetic satisfaction, I also enjoy that I have worked out a
way to do it economically without sacrificing quality.
 
A

Arthur Entlich

If cost is your main factor, for smaller 4 x 6" snaps, the home printers
do not compete, especially if you need to buy the printer, and consider
time at the computer etc. Larger sized prints become more competitive,
and customizing becomes more of an issue also.

Art
 
A

Arthur Entlich

And how often do you "need" the prints produced?

BTW, some companies offer internet uploading and mailing the prints
back, or you can pick them up next time you go shopping for groceries or
whatever. May involve NO extra trips at all.

Further, most of these places allow you to reject prints and have them
redone, and silver based images are some of the more permanent.

Art
 
A

Arthur Entlich

One can also do "Photoshopping" on prints before uploading them to the
photo lab.

Art
 
A

Arthur Entlich

Not attempting to be a contrarian, but wishing to know how the prints
stand up to handling and time/light fingerprints, versus regular lab prints.

Art
 
S

SleeperMan

Burt said:
Sleeperman - In my area (San Francisco) and in most urban areas of
the US there is a Costco store that carries Kirkland Glossy Photo
paper. It is reputed to be made by Ilford and gives excellent
results with Canon printers. As I mentioned in my post, the cost per
8x10 sheet is 15 cents and it yields 3 4x6's for a cost of 5 cents. I am
in communication with several people, some of whom post to this
newsgroup, who use MIS inks (that is the one I use), Formulabs, or
Hobbicolors inks. One of the people who is using Formulabs has
developed custom profiles to increase the accuracy of the colors and
uses an expensive, very precise colorimeter to analyze the ink/paper
combination. To the eye, MIS inks and OEM inks prints almost
identically and side-by-side evaluation of the Kirkland paper vs.
Canon photo paper pro and Epson glossy photo paper, both good papers,
show virtually comparable results. I've done a very large sampling
of OEM and MIS prints on all these papers plus a range of matte
surface papers and compared them in various lighting situations.
Bottom line - I can do an excellent custom adjusted 4x6 print for 5
cents worth of paper and a few cents for the bulk MIS refill ink. Is
it as good as a lab print? I don't know. I think it is as good as
most inkjet printers can deliver. Some lab prints are better than
others as well. The best lab prints, in my estimation are still from
high quality film camera - the larger the format, the best lighting
and exposure, and the lowest ISO film the better. My digital cameras
are only 4 and 5 mp, but they both provide very good prints up to the
largest size my printer will deliver which is 8.5x11. Under 8x
magnification with a jewelers loupe, however, the best looking
digital prints still show the "dots" of ink that make up a picture
that can look great to the naked eye.
After trips I print as many as 600 images, most in 4x6 format, as
that is what my wife prefers. Most of the images are improved first,
whether it is simply cropping or a more complex series of
adjustments. While I do this for fun and esthetic satisfaction, I
also enjoy that I have worked out a way to do it economically without
sacrificing quality.

Well, lucky you... here best is original Canon paper.
And, sure, if you make any adjustments, it's easy to see as youcan print and
see immediately what you made. Also i noticed that printed photos are more
bright and of more contrast than lab ones. it's just longevity...some will
do a lot about it, myself...i really don't care much, since when (or if) a
photo will fade, i'll just print another one.
 
S

SleeperMan

Arthur said:
And how often do you "need" the prints produced?

BTW, some companies offer internet uploading and mailing the prints
back, or you can pick them up next time you go shopping for groceries
or whatever. May involve NO extra trips at all.

yep. this is the case here. I just upload pics and they will mail them to me
for a very small fee. In fact, i can order as little as 10 pics and it's
already cheaper including postage)
 
E

Elmo P. Shagnasty

BTW, some companies offer internet uploading and mailing the prints
back, or you can pick them up next time you go shopping for groceries
or whatever. May involve NO extra trips at all.

yep. this is the case here. I just upload pics and they will mail them to me
for a very small fee. In fact, i can order as little as 10 pics and it's
already cheaper including postage)[/QUOTE]

I buy from Winkflash; they've kept up with the times, currently at 12
cents/print (previously 16 cents), and they have a flat shipping charge
of 99 cents.

I buy a lot of prints; when the postage label on their envelope says
$3.85, I know I'm coming out ahead.

AND, they offer the options of border/no border and glossy/matte, so my
wife gets what she wants.

Home prints are down to 29 cents on something like a modern $250 Epson
4x6 photo printer, and that's not bad. But 12 cents and cheap shipping?
Wow.
 
S

Steven Polgar

Inkjet photo has a lot more gamut than traditional chemical photos.
So it looks more vibrant. Have you tried to look for Japanese model
photos on the web? Try to download a few and print them. You will be
surprised how good inkjet photos will be.
 
S

Steven Polgar

Those are still printed on traditional photo paper, except they are
printed digitally by printers such as Fuji Frontier printers. Still
you won't get the vibrancy of colors of inkjet photos. Frontier printers
by default is usually set at lower resolution. So you will not get the
best resolution as you can by printing yourself on an inkjet printer,
especially if you want 8x10 or bigger photos.
 
B

Burt

Art -the instant gratification counts for a lot when I can hand my wife or
daughter a photo within minutes of snapping the shutter. I also enjoy the
ability to experiment with different adjustments to files and see the
results on which I can base additional adjustments. This is part of the fun
of photography for me. Before digital cameras, computers and printers, I
spent hours in the darkroom for the same reason.
 
B

Burt

Lab prints are probably better but don't do well with water, exposure to
full sunlight, PB and J finger prints, etc, either. My prints are generally
framed under glass or enclosed in albums. God knows what will happen to the
ones I give to friends! With the ability and the economy to produce lots of
prints quickly and inexpensively many of them are of short term value and
will probably be disposed of much sooner than the 1800's and early 1900's
posed portraits that were not numerous, were probably relatively expensive,
were taken by photographers as very few people had their own cameras, and
had a different kind of "value" placed on them. (I should add that most of
these prints are severely faded after having been stored in drawers or boxes
for decades.)

I guess what I am saying is that for me this is an extension of the
explosion of contemporary visual media that is fast moving and quickly and
sequentially replaced, image after image. The enjoyment of the image is
more fleeting and is followed by another image to enjoy, ad infinitum. The
prints that I frame are in photo frames that permit me to replace a print
with a new one in a few minutes. With only so much wall space to devote to
photos I continually replace older images with new ones.
 

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