Home network awry

[Mike]

Already wrote on this subject: I have a desktop (XP SP2,
where I disabled the firewall on the Local Connection)
acting as host, a laptop (XP SP1) acting as client. I
cannot get any ICS on the laptop, after re-running the
Network wizard.
Details :
Desktop IP adddress : 192.168.0.1
Desktop Subnet mask : 255.255.255.0
Default gateway : none

Laptop IP adddress : 192.168.0.2
Laptop Subnet mask : 255.255.255.0
Default gateway : 192.168.0.1
When I ping one computer from the other I always get the
same message : Network path not found.
A guy named Chuck already helped me a lot to get as far
as here, but I am still stuck.
Any suggestions ?
Thanks,
Mike

 

[Chuck]

Already wrote on this subject: I have a desktop (XP SP2,
where I disabled the firewall on the Local Connection)
acting as host, a laptop (XP SP1) acting as client. I
cannot get any ICS on the laptop, after re-running the
Network wizard.
Details :
Desktop IP adddress : 192.168.0.1
Desktop Subnet mask : 255.255.255.0
Default gateway : none

Laptop IP adddress : 192.168.0.2
Laptop Subnet mask : 255.255.255.0
Default gateway : 192.168.0.1
When I ping one computer from the other I always get the
same message : Network path not found.
A guy named Chuck already helped me a lot to get as far
as here, but I am still stuck.
Any suggestions ?
Thanks,
Mike

Mike,

By performing the tests requested, you can provide details which may help us see
the cause of your problem much easier.

You provided some information that is shown in IPConfig, above. There is other
information though, that may be useful, so let's try again.

Please start with ipconfig information for each computer.
1) Start - Run - "cmd".
2) Type "ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command window.
3) Open c:\ipconfig.txt in Notepad, copy and paste into your next post.
4) Identify operating system (by name and version) with each ipconfig listing.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Mike]

Chuck,
here is the info I managed to gather :

1) Desktop
running XP Pro, SP2


Windows IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : desktop

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet
FAST200WL PCI Wake On LAN Fast Ethernet Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-08-A1-4E-
17-1E

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :



PPP adapter Internet ADSL:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN
(PPP/SLIP) Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-
00-00

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 80.183.0.98

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . :
255.255.255.255

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 80.183.0.98

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 62.211.69.150

212.48.4.15



2) Laptop
running XP Home, SP1

Windows IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : laptop

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : mixed

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x
10/100 Integrated Controller

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-0D-
4A-2C
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Can you help me more ? I am beginning to reach high
levels of frustration. )

Thanks anyway,
Mike

 

[Chuck]

Chuck,
here is the info I managed to gather :

Can you help me more ? I am beginning to reach high
levels of frustration. )

Mike,

Troubleshooting network problems does indeed cause frustration. You have to
work thru the frustration. Take it one step at a time. Let's repeat the setup
of both computers, to get it right.

You are getting DSL broadband internet. This would be hella easier to diagnose
if you were using a broadband router to connect the computers, and share
internet services. Since you aren't, lets get to it.

Please read these websites, which have useful tutorials:
http://www.cablesense.com/
http://www.homenethelp.com/
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/

Look for instructions on setting up Internet Connection Sharing, which you need
to do on Desktop. Once that is done, and the internet is working on Desktop,
setup Laptop. Let us know when you hit a problem that the websites can't
resolve.

When you have internet service working on both computers, let's work on file
sharing.

Be patient with us here, we aren't in front of your computer. You are.
Besides, it's too hot here to work any faster.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Mike]

The Internet is working OK on the desktop. It's only the
sharing on the laptop that doesn't. I'll browse through
the Web sites you gave me.
Thanks,
Mike

 

[Mike]

I officially raise the white flag. I checked all the
websites but just came out with a headache. My only hope
now is that the crossover cable is faulty !!
Thanks to Chuck for his help.

Mike

 

[Chuck]

I officially raise the white flag. I checked all the
websites but just came out with a headache. My only hope
now is that the crossover cable is faulty !!
Thanks to Chuck for his help.

Mike,

Why raise the flag? You're just getting started.

If you have ICF running on Desktop, and if internet service works on Desktop,
then it's time to check your settings on Laptop. You haven't enabled DHCP
(autoconfiguration) there, and you don't have DNS servers setup.

If you go into Local Area Connection - Properties - TCP/IP - Properties, and
select both "Obtain an IP address automatically", and "Obtain DNS server
addresses automatically", give it a shot.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Mike]

Chuck,
thanks for the encouragement ! I'll apply the TCP/IP
changes on the laptop tomorrow morning (it is 2am here
now) and will keep you posted on this same thread, hoping
you are still following it.
Bye for now,

Mike

 

[Chuck]

Chuck,
thanks for the encouragement ! I'll apply the TCP/IP
changes on the laptop tomorrow morning (it is 2am here
now) and will keep you posted on this same thread, hoping
you are still following it.

I'm here, Mike. I have a watch filter on this thread.

Later,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Mike]

Chuck,

it didn't work. Now the settings on the laptop are :

IP address : 169.254.29.66
Subnet mask : 255.255.0.0
Default gateway : nothing

Pinging from both sides only yields a "not found. Check
the name and try again". What now ??
Tomorrow I'll definitely borrow a crossover cable and see
if that's where the problem lies.
Hope to hear from you.
Regards,

Mike

 

[Chuck]

Chuck,

it didn't work. Now the settings on the laptop are :

IP address : 169.254.29.66
Subnet mask : 255.255.0.0
Default gateway : nothing

Pinging from both sides only yields a "not found. Check
the name and try again". What now ??
Tomorrow I'll definitely borrow a crossover cable and see
if that's where the problem lies.
Hope to hear from you.
Regards,

Mike,

A cross-over cable is certainly required. Didn't you have one before this
problem started?

Is that ip address from Laptop after you enabled autoconfig? I'd bet that you
DO NOT have ICS running on Desktop. That's an APIPA address, caused by no DHCP
server to issue a correct address.

Rerun the wizard on Desktop, and select "This computer provides service to other
computers" or whatever.

These websites have tutorials on how to use the wizard:
http://www.cablesense.com/
http://www.homenethelp.com/
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Mike]

Chuck,

I do have a cross-over cable. What I meant was I hope it's faulty !
I reran the wizard ( "This computer connects directly to the
Internet,,,,," ) on desktop and nothing has changed : IP address and Subnet
mask are the same in the laptop ( 169.254.29.66 and 255.255.0.0,
respectively ), after running the autoconfig.
What baffles me is that the "Local area connection" icon is there in the
taskbar but...........no connection is possible.
Regards,

Mike

 

[Chuck]

Chuck,

I do have a cross-over cable. What I meant was I hope it's faulty !
I reran the wizard ( "This computer connects directly to the
Internet,,,,," ) on desktop and nothing has changed : IP address and Subnet
mask are the same in the laptop ( 169.254.29.66 and 255.255.0.0,
respectively ), after running the autoconfig.
What baffles me is that the "Local area connection" icon is there in the
taskbar but...........no connection is possible.

Mike,

If you did enable ICS ("This computer provides service to other
computers"), and are still getting APIPA on Laptop, then the problem has to be
one of three things:
1) Network card / connection on Desktop.
2) Network card / connection on Laptop.
3) Cable between the two.

As long as you have an APIPA address on Laptop, and a normal address on Desktop,
no connection will ever be possible.

So, you're right, try another cross-over cable. Also, run hardware diagnostics
on both NICs.

Then ask yourself if it's coincidental that this problem seemed to have happened
during your vacation, when you connected the laptop to another laptop. Did you
carry the cross-over cable on vacation with the laptop?

But there's more to try if the above stuff doesn't help. There's always more.
%-}

BTW, Mike, please don't contribute to the spread and success of email address
mining viruses. Learn to munge your email address properly, to keep yourself a
bit safer when posting to open forums. Protect yourself and the rest of the
internet - read this article.
http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Mike]

If you did enable ICS ("This computer provides service to other
computers"), and are still getting APIPA on Laptop, then the problem has
to be
one of three things:
1) Network card / connection on Desktop.
2) Network card / connection on Laptop.
3) Cable between the two.

As long as you have an APIPA address on Laptop, and a normal address on
Desktop,
no connection will ever be possible.

So, you're right, try another cross-over cable. Also, run hardware
diagnostics
on both NICs.

Then ask yourself if it's coincidental that this problem seemed to have
happened
during your vacation, when you connected the laptop to another laptop.
Did you
carry the cross-over cable on vacation with the laptop?

But there's more to try if the above stuff doesn't help. There's always
more.
%-}

BTW, Mike, please don't contribute to the spread and success of email
address
mining viruses. Learn to munge your email address properly, to keep
yourself a
bit safer when posting to open forums. Protect yourself and the rest of
the
internet - read this article.
http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

Chuck,

I did carry the cross-over cable on vacation with the laptop, squeezed in a
bag with lots of other stuff. Really hope it's damaged. Tomorrow at work
I'll borrow a good one and see, then I'll write back. BTW, thanks for the
advice on the email address munging !!
Talk to you soon, in about 24 hours. Keep following the thread, you are very
helpful.
Regards,
Mike

 

[Mike]

I am back. Checked the cable : it works.
Reran the wizards, the one on the laptop from the Windows CD . As a result
it created a network bridge between the LAN and the 1394 connection. It now
uses a MAC bridge Miniport and forces an IP address of 169.254.175.166
Don't ask me why.
Bottom line is, STILL nothing works, no network, no ICS on laptop.
Any ideas ??? Password, logon problems ? Firewall ?
Regards,
Mike

 

[Chuck]

I am back. Checked the cable : it works.
Reran the wizards, the one on the laptop from the Windows CD . As a result
it created a network bridge between the LAN and the 1394 connection. It now
uses a MAC bridge Miniport and forces an IP address of 169.254.175.166
Don't ask me why.
Bottom line is, STILL nothing works, no network, no ICS on laptop.
Any ideas ??? Password, logon problems ? Firewall ?
Regards,
Mike

Mike,

If you run the wizard on Desktop, and enable ICS ("This computer provides
service to other computers"), you need to then delete the bridge (Network
Connections - Advanced).

After you delete the bridge, rerun IPConfig and post new settings. Let's take
it one step at a time.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Mike]

Chuck,
Bridge is on laptop, not desktop. Where's the Advanced tab or option ?? All
I see is:
- LAN
- Network Bridge
- 1394 connection
can't I just delete the bridge connection and go on from there ?
I believe the desktop is OK now. Here's its ipconfig list :

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : desktop

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected ( laptop
temporarily being used by my son, but desktop IP address was 192.168.0.1,
subnet mask 255.255.255.0 before disconnection )

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet FAST200WL PCI Wake On LAN
Fast Ethernet Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-08-A1-4E-17-1E

PPP adapter Internet ADSL:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 82.50.143.243

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 82.50.143.243

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 62.211.69.150

212.48.4.15

NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Mike

 

[Chuck]

Chuck,
Bridge is on laptop, not desktop. Where's the Advanced tab or option ?? All
I see is:
- LAN
- Network Bridge
- 1394 connection
can't I just delete the bridge connection and go on from there ?
I believe the desktop is OK now. Here's its ipconfig list :

Mike,

OK, if you see the bridge listed as separate from the LAN, then deleting it
would be the next step.

The desktop looks good, if it is in fact using 192.168.0.1 on the Ethernet
connection as a result of ICS being enabled. Trouble is:
1) The IPConfig you pasted is incomplete so I can't verify by its syntax that
ICS is in fact enabled;
2) There is NO other way for me to verify that ICS is enabled.

So we'll just have to trust for the best. Connect Laptop, delete the bridge,
rerun IPConfig there, and post the results.

It's so much easier to do this, than to explain how to do it. But if you're
patient and persistent you may yet get this working.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Mike]

Again :

1) Desktop settings ( XP Pro, SP2 )

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : desktop

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet FAST200WL PCI Wake On LAN
Fast Ethernet Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-08-A1-4E-17-1E

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :


PPP adapter Internet ADSL:


Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 82.50.143.243

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 82.50.143.243

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 62.211.69.150

212.48.4.15

NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

2) Laptop ( XP Home, SP1 ) settings

** Deleted bridge **

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : desktop

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : MIxed

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated
Controller

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-0D-4A-2C

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2 manually input to
avoid APIPA

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 manually input as
per settings indicated in Win XP Help
DNS Servers ..........................: 192.168.0.1 manually
input as per settings indicated in Win XP Help


Midnight here, going to bed soon. If you have any further suggestions, can
you post them ASAP, else I am going to have to wait another 18 hours.
Thanks in advance,

Mike

 

[Chuck]

1) Desktop settings ( XP Pro, SP2 )

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : desktop

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet FAST200WL PCI Wake On LAN
Fast Ethernet Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-08-A1-4E-17-1E

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :


PPP adapter Internet ADSL:


Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 82.50.143.243

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 82.50.143.243

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 62.211.69.150

212.48.4.15

NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

2) Laptop ( XP Home, SP1 ) settings

** Deleted bridge **

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : desktop

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : MIxed

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated
Controller

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-0D-4A-2C

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2 manually input to
avoid APIPA

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 manually input as
per settings indicated in Win XP Help
DNS Servers ..........................: 192.168.0.1 manually
input as per settings indicated in Win XP Help

Mike,

ICS provides a DHCP address and other settings to its clients. You need to use
DHCP on all ICS clients.

If ICS is working, Laptop should NOT get an APIPA address. You need to take
that chance.

Enable DHCP on Laptop, restart, rerun IPConfig, and post results.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.