format confusion?

[horst siegert]

hello,
in w2k I used imaging to have a look and to edit fax.
Now in winxp-pro everything is different.
Why there are two different software not compatible: 'Office Document
Imaging' and (in german) 'Windows Bild- und Faxanzeige'.
- The documents can be opend in both the software, but there must be a
difference?
- Is there a possibility to put all that together? like it has been with the
old Imaging software?
horst

 

[Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]]

Windows XP made no such change. Office 2003 did. Is that what you're using?
What are you trying to achieve that you can't?

 

[horst siegert]

Russ,
In combination xp plus 2003.
The old Imaging was able to do 'everything'. Showing me one or multiple page
documents (fax) as well as pictures, was able to save as tif, tiff (one or
multipage) as jepeg as well. I could edit the pages and so on .
Document Imaging is not able to open these 'old' edited documents, 'Windows
Bild- und Faxanzeige' (don't know the english expresseion for that
software), is able to do, but in a not sufficient manner, and if you press
Strg + e the editet *.tif (fax) document will be opend in 'Doument Imaging'
but all the changes done will be disapeared.
horst

 

[Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]]

Can't reproduce your problem. MODI works fine here.
What do you mean by "old 'edited' documents?"

 

[horst siegert]

Russ

What do you mean by "old 'edited' documents?"

The documents I have editet in Imaging: inserted textboxes and markers,
pictures and so on.
You can open these documents in 'MODI' (I love all these abreviations ;-) )
but you will not see all the objects inserted. So, these old files are not
compatible to MODI (even the GUI of MODI looks like Imaging). And that is my
problem. How can I go on with my old files in the same way I did before.
horst
p.s.: There has been nearly the same problem earlier when there has been a
change from the very old 'WangImage' and it's *.awd format to Imaging.
p.p.s.: May be, my english is a litlle bit too 'simple' to be understandable
;-)

 

[Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]]

Your English is fine. You just hadn't provided enough detail for me to
figure out what problem you were having. Now that I do, I must say I've
never seen it before, nor have I run into anyone with a similar problem. I'm
not sure I've ever run into anyone who has tried this either.
Let me make sure I understand. You had some TIF files that you edited in
Windows XP Picture and Fax viewer. Then you installed Office 2003, which
changed the file association for TIF files to MODI. Now when you open these
files in MODI, the changes you made are no longer seen. Is that correct?
What happens if you open these files in the Windows XP Picture and Fax
viewer?

 

[Hal Hostetler [MVP-S/U]]

Russ, I think he was using Kodak Imaging under Windows 2000 and I don't know
how a .tif edited with the old Kodak application would behave under MODI. I
still have Kodak Imaging on my old laptop (inherited from Windows 2000 when
I updated it to XP Pro), I'll see how an image edited with Imaging behaves
under MODI. It wouldn't surprise me if there were problems in light of the
age difference.

Hal
--
Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- (e-mail address removed)
Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-S/U -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Still Cadillacin' - www.badnewsbluesband.com

Your English is fine. You just hadn't provided enough detail for me to
figure out what problem you were having. Now that I do, I must say I've
never seen it before, nor have I run into anyone with a similar problem.
I'm not sure I've ever run into anyone who has tried this either.
Let me make sure I understand. You had some TIF files that you edited in
Windows XP Picture and Fax viewer. Then you installed Office 2003, which
changed the file association for TIF files to MODI. Now when you open
these files in MODI, the changes you made are no longer seen. Is that
correct? What happens if you open these files in the Windows XP Picture
and Fax viewer?
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]

Russ


The documents I have editet in Imaging: inserted textboxes and markers,
pictures and so on.
You can open these documents in 'MODI' (I love all these
breviations -) ) but you will not see all the objects inserted. So,
these old files are not compatible to MODI (even the GUI of MODI looks
like Imaging). And that is my problem. How can I go on with my old files
in the same way I did before.
horst
p.s.: There has been nearly the same problem earlier when there has been
a change from the very old 'WangImage' and it's *.awd format to Imaging.
p.p.s.: May be, my english is a litlle bit too 'simple' to be
understandable ;-)

 

[Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]]

It wouldn't surprise me either. It does seem however that the Windows 2000
viewer would still be around and could be used to view these TIF files.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]

Russ, I think he was using Kodak Imaging under Windows 2000 and I don't
know how a .tif edited with the old Kodak application would behave under
MODI. I still have Kodak Imaging on my old laptop (inherited from Windows
2000 when I updated it to XP Pro), I'll see how an image edited with
Imaging behaves under MODI. It wouldn't surprise me if there were
problems in light of the age difference.

Hal
--
Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- (e-mail address removed)
Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-S/U -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Still Cadillacin' - www.badnewsbluesband.com

Your English is fine. You just hadn't provided enough detail for me to
figure out what problem you were having. Now that I do, I must say I've
never seen it before, nor have I run into anyone with a similar problem.
I'm not sure I've ever run into anyone who has tried this either.
Let me make sure I understand. You had some TIF files that you edited in
Windows XP Picture and Fax viewer. Then you installed Office 2003, which
changed the file association for TIF files to MODI. Now when you open
these files in MODI, the changes you made are no longer seen. Is that
correct? What happens if you open these files in the Windows XP Picture
and Fax viewer?
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]

Russ

What do you mean by "old 'edited' documents?"

The documents I have editet in Imaging: inserted textboxes and markers,
pictures and so on.
You can open these documents in 'MODI' (I love all these
reviations -) ) but you will not see all the objects inserted. So,
these old files are not compatible to MODI (even the GUI of MODI looks
like Imaging). And that is my problem. How can I go on with my old files
in the same way I did before.
horst
p.s.: There has been nearly the same problem earlier when there has been
a change from the very old 'WangImage' and it's *.awd format to Imaging.
p.p.s.: May be, my english is a litlle bit too 'simple' to be
understandable ;-)

 

[news.microsoft.com]

Russ, I think he was using Kodak Imaging under Windows 2000 <

Exactly, Hal is right. And I to was surprised to learn, that MODI (even if
it looks like Imaging) is able to open these *.tif files but what you see
ist just the 'virgin' original and all the edited objects are vanished.
Hal, you may try it. Take a tif file in imaging, put some text boxes in it,
deliver it to your xp system and open it in MODI.
In the xp-picture and fax viewer you can see and edit these changings you
made in Imaging, but that viewer is not really an alternative.
And on top, Imaging was able to handle with *.jpg files.
I know, that there is a way to run Imaging under winXP, but first I try to
solve that problem without tricks.
horst
p.s.: seems to bee an intresting discussion ;-)

 

[Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]]

So you created these files in Windows 2000 Kodak Imaging, but now you are
using Windows XP Picture and Fax viewer? Why do you keep leaving out
details? Can still see the edits you made?
Why is using Windows XP Picture and Fax viewer not an alternative?

 

[horst siegert]

Windows XP Picture and Fax viewer :
Ii is not possible to create new files.
It is not possible to insert new pages.
It is not possible to insert (import) pages (files) you already have.
It is not possible to edit *.jpg files (text boxes, marker, ...)
It is not possible to import documents via scanning (TWAIN)

Most of these items are possible in MODI, but, as I wrote, MODI can't handle
my existing files
and
it is not possible to convert files from Windows XP Picture and Fax viewer
to MODI. (Strg + E)
The file suffix will not show, wether this is a file editable in MODI, in
Windows XP Picture and Fax viewer or Imaging.
All this together is the point why I wrote 'format confusion': why doesn't
MS make the old files compatible to MODI? I gues for 'political reasons'.
Have a look here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308979

You may buy the 'new Imaging' for only (!) 125 ?.

horst

 

[Russ Valentine [MVP Outlook]]

MODI is an Office 2003 application that was in no way intended to
replace the imaging editing capabilities that used to be bundled with
the OS prior to Windows XP. I doubt you'll be able to do what you want
without using third party applications.

 

[horst siegert]

Meanwhile I do believe, you're right.
Thanks for your patience.
horst

 

[Hal Hostetler [MVP-S/U]]

FWIW, I found the following information in another group and I have NOT
tested it, use at your own risk:

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Using Imaging for Windows after Upgrading to Windows XP

If you have upgraded to Windows XP from Windows 95 OSR2, 98, NT 4 or 2000,
you can still use the Kodak Imaging for Windows applications and ActiveX
controls if you can access the files listed below. If you installed XP to
another folder, thus preserving your previous Windows version, or if you can
re-install your previous version of Windows on another partition or
computer, you can copy the files to a safe directory and register the
ActiveX controls as described below. If you have not yet upgraded to Windows
XP, I suggest archiving copies of these files in a separate location before
performing the upgrade.

Copy the following files from the \Windows\System directory (\System32 in NT
or 2000):
IMAGEHLP.DLL
IMGADMIN.OCX
IMGCMN.DLL
IMGEDIT.OCX
IMGSCAN.OCX
IMGSHL.DLL
IMGTHUMB.OCX
OIADM400.DLL
OICOM400.DLL
OIDIS400.DLL
OIFIL400.DLL
OIGFS400.DLL
OIPRT400.DLL
OISLB400.DLL
OISSQ400.DLL
OITWA400.DLL
OIUI400.DLL

Copy these files from \Windows\Help:
IMGVIEW.CHM
IMGHELP.CNT
IMGHELP.GID
IMGHELP.HLP
IMGOCXD.CNT
IMGOCXD.GID
IMGOCXD.HLP
IMGTASKS.CHM

(If the .GID files don't exist, they will be created when you use the
corresponding .HLP files.)

Copy these Kodak application files from \Windows:
KODAKIMG.EXE
KODAKPRV.EXE

These are all the ones I know about; there may be others. If you find any
other files whose property sheets label them as Wang or Eastman Software,
you might want to copy them too, just in case.

After you install Windows XP, you will need to register the ActiveX controls
(OCX files). The easiest way is to use the Start | Run facility and execute
the statement:

regsvr32 c:\imaging\imgadmin.ocx

(Of course, substitute the path where you archived your files.)

Repeat this for each of the four OCX files listed above.
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Hal
--
Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- (e-mail address removed)
Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-S/U -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Still Cadillacin' - www.badnewsbluesband.com

Meanwhile I do believe, you're right.
Thanks for your patience.
horst

 

[horst siegert]

Hal,
I had a look around the last days and I found a similar solution.

http://toolsandmore.de/Central/Produkte/Software/System-Tools/IFW-XP/

I did it and it is runnig well - as I have old Win systems not in use any
more.
But first I thought, MS should deliver a reliable solution if they are going
to changing file-formats.
If you can nowadays inport dos.formated textes to word, I thought the same
for Imaging.
Wrong.
horst