For Logitech MX1000 laser mouse owners

[Fisher]

If you are going to be THAT picky, then all WIRED devices have some lag as
well. After all, it takes a certain amount of time for the signal to travel
from the mouse button, through the wires, into the computer logic, then for
the decision by the computer logic to get calculated, then sent out, then
for the the image of that change to travel from the monitor to your eye.

Yes, of course, but a wired mouse does it faster than a wireless mouse
is my contention.

 

[Fisher]

Why would anyone prefer a corded device?

In one ear and out the other. Why do I bother?

 

[Fisher]

can anyone compare the mx1000 with the latest razor?
http://www.razerzone.com/products/products_diamondback.php

That mouse is comparable to the Logitech MX518. The MX1000 doesn't
really compare.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/CA/EN,CRID=2142,CONTENTID=10121&ad=518LgPromoAMR

 

[John Doe]

Doesn't make me wrong,

In your head.

BTW that's an illogical "ad hominem attack".

If you're offended by my little reply, you will learn to be less
outspoken here on Usenet.

I won't give you a cite for the speed of light since that's
pretty common knowledge. ....
Wireless interference:
http://www.embedded.com/story/OEG20020926S0055

If you understood any of that, you would also understand that
beyond a certain threshold, the problem becomes solved and
engineering effort is put into other areas of the device. All
communication has lag and needs error correction, and in a vacuum
that matters. The question is whether it matters for the
application. Like the article says:

"... a protocol that converts the raw error rate into a lower,
reliable rate acceptable to the application."

A reliable rate of data transfer for wireless mouse communication
probably was surpassed years ago. That would be why they are
working on tracking, going from optical to laser.

Why would they improve the tracking if there were a problem with
lag?

Just the fact that communication, all communication, has lag
and errors does not mean anything by itself.

 

[John Doe]

In one ear and out the other. Why do I bother?

Maybe because you do not believe your own argument, for good reason.

You know that radio frequency communication has lag. What you do not
know is how much lag or whether it matters. You suggest that because
wired communication has less lag, wired communication must be better
for mousing than radio communication. That is a faulty assumption. In
fact, beyond a certain level, improvements in technology no longer
matter for a given application.

 

[Fisher]

Maybe because you do not believe your own argument, for good reason.

You know that radio frequency communication has lag. What you do not
know is how much lag or whether it matters. You suggest that because
wired communication has less lag, wired communication must be better
for mousing than radio communication. That is a faulty assumption. In
fact, beyond a certain level, improvements in technology no longer
matter for a given application.

Well, what I know is that I own an MX700 (cordless) and an MX518
(corded) and you don't so my opion is valid and your opinion isn't.
End of discussion.

 

[JAD]

you haven't the ability to measure or perceive nanoseconds

 

[Fisher]

you haven't the ability to measure or perceive nanoseconds

Every nanosecond counts when I'm fragging your ass. And you are
completely discounting the ability of the MX518 being able to switch
between 400/800/1600 DPI on the fly and the fact it is a lighter mouse
as it has no batteries to weigh it down. For gaming it is just a
better choice so all you cordless weenies can just shut the **** up
right now as you are talking about something you have no experience
with. Remember, I own both an MX700 and an MX518. Do you? Didn't think
so.

 

[John Doe]

Every nanosecond counts when I'm fragging your ass.

lol

I have read many opinions about the MX 1000 being good for
first-person shooters.

I am particularly interested when reading graphic artists or CAD
users talk about how well it works for drawing/editing.

And you are completely discounting the ability of the MX518
being able to switch between 400/800/1600 DPI on the fly and the
fact it is a lighter mouse as it has no batteries to weigh it
down. For gaming it is just a better choice so all you cordless
weenies can just shut the **** up right now

I hope you know that is comedy here.

as you are talking about something you have no experience
with. Remember, I own both an MX700 and an MX518. Do you? Didn't
think so.

But you do not own an MX 1000.

I have been using cordless mice for years. I think the manufacture
date is 2000 on my current mouse. Yesterday I ordered an
MX1000. Of course I have used corded mice.

I am a gamer. I have preferred real-time strategy but also
impressed with the strategy content of first-person shooters,
especially pickup games in which you are free to employ your own
strategies.

 

[JAD]

Every nanosecond counts when I'm fragging your ass. And you are
completely discounting the ability of the MX518 being able to switch
between 400/800/1600 DPI on the fly and the fact it is a lighter mouse
as it has no batteries to weigh it down. For gaming it is just a
better choice so all you cordless weenies can just shut the **** up
right now as you are talking about something you have no experience
with. Remember, I own both an MX700 and an MX518. Do you? Didn't think
so.

your misguided...you have been fragged by a cordless, numerous times.what's
your umbilical motivation? it goes back to the womb, comfort zones and
such..regression therapy will help

 

[noone]

The wave travel time is similar for both, on the order of the speed of
light. The big difference is that a radio device will eventually hit
interference from other radios, odd reflections, etc. It may sample at
the same speed, but it has to throw out a significantly higher number
of samples that the error-checking flags as "junk".

Well I don't know how many sample are rejected per say but I doubt
there are that many when the receiver is two feet away and the amount
of data being sent has to be very small so errors, if any, will also
be small.

I tried an MX700 a while back, I liked it but the heavy-ass batteries
did it for me. Switched to an MX510 and haven't looked back.

The MX700 isn't the MX1000 and I'm sure that the 1/2 once battery
isn't that hard to push.
I went cordless and will never go back.

 

[noone]

Doesn't make me wrong, BTW that's an illogical "ad hominem attack". I
won't give you a cite for the speed of light since that's pretty common
knowledge.

I think he talking about the "junk" claim.

 

[noone]

http://www.photonics.com/XQ/ASP/url.readarticle/artid.182/QX/readart.htm
On September 8, 2002, the planet Jupiter passed almost directly in
front of the radiowaves coming from a quasar, a star-like object in
the center of a galaxy billions of light-years away. When this
happened, Jupiter's gravity bent the quasar's radiowaves, causing a
slight delay in their arrival on Earth. Kopeikin believed the length
of time the radiowaves would be delayed would depend upon the speed at
which gravity propagates from Jupiter.

And this has what to do with cordless mice ? Well I see it could be a
problem if a Quasar got between the mouse and the receiver two feet
away.

 

[noone]

Yes, of course, but a wired mouse does it faster than a wireless mouse
is my contention.

Now prove it.

 

[Highlandish]

Ouch. I got my MX1000 a couple of months ago for around US$55. Once
again you Brits are getting shafted on tech product prices.

The MX1000 is a good mouse, accurate, sensitive, and, best of all,
rechargeable with a handy charge indicator. No batteries to deal with
which is the feature I was looking for. It is not, however, worth
80GBP (~US$145.00).

The only negative I see is the size of the mouse. It's big, wider and
taller, and takes some getting used to after switching from a smaller
mouse.

hah, i paid AUD$145 4 months ago for my mx1000, we get shafted more than any
other country

 

[noone]

Maybe it is just me but I haven't been happy with any of the recent cordless
mice, I got the MX700 as part of the cordless desktop with keyboard, love
the keyboard but the MX 700 didn't last long as I didn't like the heft or
the shape as much as my Logi dual optical and to me it didn't feel as
accurate in PhotoShop, it was used with my HTPC for a while and worked quite
well for that purpose but I ended up throwing it in with a PC I built for a
cousins daughter and getting a Gyration Gyro mouse for the HTPC. The MX1000
is picky about surfaces, it wouldn't work with my mousepad and I thought I
was having driver issues it was so erratic but I found it tracked fine on my
fake-wood bare desktop, still I found I far preferred my MX510, favorite
mouse I have ever owned, the MX1000 was not suitable for my HTPC because of
its fussiness about surfaces and its range was inferior to any wireless
mouse I have ever used with the HTPC it now sits unplugged, unused. There is
a lot to like about the MX1000 I suppose but it is not for me and not for a
lot of other people either, just simple preference, nothing to get upset
about. There are way to many people that do have issues with the MX1000 for
them to be dismissed just because for some reason you want everyone to love
it, don't quite get your obsession, er, some don't like it, believe it.

My first wireless mouse was the first Logi Wireless, a ball mouse, I swore I
would never go back to corded again but MS came out with the optical mouse
which was only available corded and the lack of a ball and the precision of
optical in apps such as PhotoShop far outweighed the advantages of cordless,
I bought the first Logi wireless optical when it came out and liked it well
enough but tried and loved the dual optical which was my favorite until the
MX510, basically I don't think of the cord as much of an inconvenience but
if a cordless comes out that I prefer over the 510 I will go wireless again,
I thought the MX1000 would be that mouse but it wasn't.

That's fine if you like corded but we have someone here simply
spreading lies and BS facts about cordless mice. I could care less
what you use as long as you don't justify it by spreading BS about the
other options out there.

 

[noone]

Well, what I know is that I own an MX700 (cordless) and an MX518
(corded) and you don't so my opion is valid and your opinion isn't.
End of discussion.

Now there's some six year olds logic.

I own 4 corded mice (all in a drawer) and 3 cordless all being used.
So by your amazing logic I know more than you and you opinion is
worthless ? LOL End of discussion. LOL

 

[noone]

love it and swear by it, the only complaint I have is when I am using it on
my lap and lean back in my chair watching tv, it can easily slide to the
floor, and with no string I have to retrieve it the old fashioned way
instead if dragging it back with the chord.

LOL
yes that is a problem isn't it!

 

[noone]

That mouse is comparable to the Logitech MX518. The MX1000 doesn't
really compare.

How do you know? You don't own one.
That is your logic isn't it?

 

[noone]

Every nanosecond counts when I'm fragging your ass.

Sorry I out grew that a few years back.

And you are
completely discounting the ability of the MX518 being able to switch
between 400/800/1600 DPI on the fly

Which has NOTHING to do with your claim that cordless mice have lag.
Your trying to change the subject.

and the fact it is a lighter mouse
as it has no batteries to weigh it down.

Oh my GOD you must be the biggest girly man around if you can't push
a 1/2oz mouse around

For gaming it is just a
better choice so all you cordless weenies can just shut the **** up
right now as you are talking about something you have no experience
with.

Well since that's not the subject who the **** cares and BTW it's you
,by your own words, that don't know what your talking about. You've
never used a MX1000 you don't know any specs on either mouse other
than 1600dpi. You claim there is lag but can't show any facts to back
it up.

Remember, I own both an MX700 and an MX518. Do you? Didn't think
so.

Must have taken months for you to save up all that money.

One more time this thread is about the MX1000 not the 700. Duh.