FOR A SKILLED IT EXPERT - WIN2K SERVER - DOMAIN CONTROLLER

[Guest]

"The local policy of this system does not permit you to logon interactively"

Hello Everyone - i made a small and insignificant change to the local
security policy. NO ERROR MESSAGE, that i would be locked out of the server,
and for this i am very upset with MS.

Anyhow, i CANNOT logon with ANY USER, not even the built in Administrator in
Directory Services Mode. This has been for over 10 days now. DO NOT WANT TO
LOSE the profiles.

Does ANYONE know of a floppy boot up program that will RE-SET all Domain
Controller Security back to DEFAULT???

Re-setting the Password is not the issue.

How CAN all SECURITY be reset to default, via a boot-up floppy program to
allow logon normally again without this RIDICULOUS MESSAGE "The local policy
of this system does not permit you to logon interactively"

SURELY, there is a way to easily reset the security?

Hope someone can suggest something...

Thank you and God Bless you...

West-Wind-7

 

[Roger Abell [MVP]]

You have told us this is with Windows 2000 server.
However, your subject says Domain Controller, but your message
says the change was in the local security policy, which is not used
on domain controllers.

What is it that you modified ?? If it was only the Log on Locally
and/or the Deny log on locally policies, then just edit the GPO
remotely over network with a domain admin account and reverse
the changes.

If there were a simple way to reset everything when the system
believes you are not entitled to do so it would not be a very
well planned system design now would it ?

 

[Guest]

Thanks Roger - The error message says the LOCAL POLICY..But it is true that
the Domain Policy was edited but NOT the logon rights for any user.

Used NTRIGHTS over the network, and that fixed it once. BUT, each time i
(Administator) logged on the same problem came back.

So, i followed the MS instructions to manually edit the inf and ini security
files to reset everything back to default.

Still the same error message. NOW, NTRIGHTS will not work - so network
access is not an option.

We are a small 2 pc design Company also enagaged in Christian Evangelism.

It looks like i must install another copy of the OS in a separate folder and
boot up through that, and then manually edit the files.

Unless you can think of another way??

REGARDING your comment : > If there were a simple way to reset everything
when the system

believes you are not entitled to do so it would not be a very
well planned system design now would it ?

WHY WOULD THE SYSTEM DENY THE ADMINISTRATOR LOGON RIGHTS???

If the Admin can't get in the system is useless.

Why would the system NOT warn an Admin that the changes made to the policies
will PREVENT him from logging back on??

It is a conundrum, and having scoured the internet, multitudes of other
people have experienced this very same issue.

CONCLUSION : It is an MS flaw in the way the OS responds to Security Policy
changes made by an Administrator who is NOT a Degree Holder in Computer
Science. The OS MUST tell the person, BEFORE the changes are absorbed, that
doing so will LOCK THEM OUT OF THE SYSTEM...

It does not do that, otherwise i would NOT be in this mess.

If you have any other ideas of how to reset the security back to default,
with ZERO Domain access we would ALL love to know,

Bless you Roger and thank you for your reply ... very much appreciated...

In Christ and in Truth...

WW7

 

[Roger Abell [MVP]]

The message is refering to the effective policy.
The setting could originate anywhere.
NTrights pokes the effective setting and gives you on a DC
a 5 minute window to log in. You need to find which GPO
this was set in and change it back.
If you need, you can define a temp GPO linked onto the DC OU
at highest priority that sets a value of Administrators as having the
log on local user right in order to not hassle with things while finding
and changing back what had been set accidentally.

However, you now have other issues due to the effort with resetting
the security. I am not quite sure where things are at for you now
since that probable tweaked things back to pre-domain controller
config. Can you install the adminpak.msi (www.microsoft.com/downloads)
on a machine in the domain and use the mmc tools to get at the config
of the domain remotely ?? Also grab GPMC while you are at downloads.

If you had not tried the reset we could have pulled you out of this, per the
comments of the opening paragraphs and remote tools. With the reset
attempted I do not know. How far did things get and what happened??
The best chance at this point may be if you have a recent valid full backup
of the system state so that an authoritative restore could be done.

Hopefully others reading this have some ideas . . .


It is sometimes useful to disallow admins local login.
That can be a valid and desirable deployment.
MS cannot anticipate what is unlikely a useful configuration and
make the settings for same impossible, although in a very few
cases they have, since as soon as it is said "that is not a valid
thing to do" a situation comes along in which it is.
That said, it is possible, and I have seen, Domain Admins completely
locked out from all ability to log into or manage their forest. Sort of
foolish, to do and to allow to be done, but I guess it is a case of at
what point do you allow and disallow.

 

[Guest]

Thank you and Bless you Roger for your time in answering - VERY much
appreciated.

Will soon attempt your suggestion if we can access the Server from the
workstation.
(last message denied access to the server from the workstation - the WKSTN
boots up on cached profile only) The interactive logon problem has applied to
ALL users in the Domain.

Yes - it is very possible we are at a pre-DC state on the server after the
manual security reset.

Yes - we have a very recent back up of the system state, but how do we logon
to use the tape deck (Dell SCSI) ??

Worst case Roger, can we use the tools suggested from a CD Rom or floppy boot?

God Bless you again and thank you again....

Take care -

WW7

 

[Roger Abell [MVP]]

So then the policy is disallowing all login by all users at all machines ?
The remote tools would need to be run with a recognized domain
account having admin priv in order to edit the group pollicy objects.
That pretty much makes running from a CD boot not an option.
I had thought that with Windows 2000 one could not block the
built-in Administrator account from being able to log in (while in
Windows Server 2003 one can, but not from a safe mode boot).
The built-in Administrator account may have been renamed, but
if you know what the account is then perhaps this will give you
a route to log in.

 

[Guest]

Thanks Roger - OK - just finished a second windows server installation to
another folder on C Drive WINNT2..

Guess the next step is to restore the system state from the tape back to the
original WINNT folder?

Will try this and see if she boots up in the first installation....

Will keep you posted...

Blessings and thanks again...

WW7

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh
unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Roger Abell [MVP]]

Actually system state can only be restored into the running system.
I am not sure what all was done, when attempting the reset, but that
would write onto the local machine, both filesystem and registry.
As such, a restore onto the other boots files would not include
changing the registry settings back (part of system state).

I am at a lack of info as to what does happen when attempting
access to the other system. Hence do not know if it is a relatively
healthy DC with policy issues in the way, or an unhealthy DC.

 

[Guest]

Hi Roger - as we Say - PRAISE THE LORD...

After installing a parallel copy of WIN2K SERVER, have obtained
Administrator access in Directory Services Restore Safe Mode.

This was achieved by renaming the secedit.sdb file (whilst in the second
installation) to secedit.old_sdb and then COPYING the new secedit.sdb file
into the security/database folder. This reset the local policy back to
default, allowing the logon - Amen

Not out of the woods yet as i have to NOW get into the Forest <laughter>

Still, with time and patience, may be able to get things stable again in the
Domain - Amen

Either way, i DO believe that MS has a LONG way to go to make their OS more
stable and user friendly - they need to WRITE a program CALLED
"Administrator" that monitors EVERYTHING the Admin is doing, AND WARNS in
"friendly language" - DON'T DO THAT - YOU WILL LOCK YOURSELF OUT OF THE
SYSTEM.

Amen

If you don't yet known Christ JESUS as your Lord and Saviour - PLEASE -
start this process here : http://www.Constellation7.org and
http://www.Constellation7.org/Salvation/Salvation.doc

This is more important than "saving" an OS; this Saves your soul from the
wrath of God yet to come, on the ungodly and the wicked, through the Prayer
of Faith to allow YOU The Full Water Baptism and The Baptism of The Holy
Ghost in the Holy Name of JESUS CHRIST - King of kings and Lord of lords.

YES - it is ALL True - The Holy King James Bible - EVERY WORD - Amen

There is Heaven, Earth and Hell....

Be sure of Heaven with the Prayer and Follow On - Amen
http://www.Constellation7.org/Salvation/Salvation.doc

The Prophetic Parallel is similar to "Server" language - Every man needs an
UPGRADE to his OS to get rid of all the bugs that were programmed in from the
ORIGIN - (Genesis) - So that the Curse of Sin can be OVERCOME...

The Master Administrator for this is INDEED The Holy Lord JESUS CHRIST - Amen

Take this "on board" and May God Lead you and Bless you always in His Holy
Love and Truth - Praises !!!!

Peace - WW7

 

[Roger Abell [MVP]]

Well, WW7, this old-time buddhist wishes you luck in your efforts.
Roger

 

[Guest]

Hi Roger - Thoroughly recommend you RENOUNCE Buddhism - bUDDHA IS IN hELL
STONE COLD dead - Whereas JESUS indeed is Alive - around 1973 years old
approx.

Buddhism DENIES the existence of God -

Take a look around - God is everywhere - His Creation is AWESOME...

Take a LEAP OF FAITH - <smile>

The Cross is ALL OVER THE GLOBE - not bad for a 3.5 year Ministry from
Someone Who never killed anyone, never stole anything, went to The Cross a
Virgin, Changed the History of the world FOREVER - No JESUS, NO USA - No
Microsoft - No UK - No Europe - (well - not like we know them now <smile>)

PLUS, Healed the Sick, Raised The Dead, and Resurrected after 3 days in the
Earth, and was then seen by over 500 faithful witnesses for 40 days -

LAST SEEN GOING STRAIGHT UP - PHYSICALLY - His Body has NEVER been found -
BECAUSE He is NOT ON THIS EARTH...He is In Heaven and LOVES you Roger and
wants you to LEAVE Buddhism FAR BEHIND....Please..

For the sake of your soul......

Trust me on this one my friend - Jesus Christ is The ONLY Way to Heaven....

There is NO OTHER WAY....

Ask Him and He WILL Reply - your conscience and heart will tell you...

Okay - its up to you, you did your job with the software i've done mine with
the ETERNAL AND IMMORTAL Truth....

Thanks again...

Hope you Hear me and HIM.....

If you do, let me know - SALVATION is exactly that - BEING SAVED ....

Will Pray you Receive The Full Gospel Truth - Amen

Love and Truth and Peace....

WW7

Luke 3:22-25
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,
and a voice came from heaven, which said,
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

 

[Roger Abell [MVP]]

Sorry but my communications with yourself have now ceased.
Buddhism abhors little, but ignorance is one.

 

[Guest]

PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IN ANY AND ALL LOGGED EVENTS - AMEN

God Bless you Roger in His Mercy and Truth ALWAYS and FOREVER The King of
Heaven and Earth and The Great Judge - The Lamb Upon The Throne - UNTIL He
Returns back to earth One Day SOON - Amen

With Love and Revelation - but never IGNORANCE - <big smile> : On the
Contrary Roger - on the contrary - Amen

Here is THE ONE :- Amen and Peace and Truth - Glory and Alleluia...

1 JOHN 5 :
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is
the Son of God?
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water
only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness,
because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and
the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the
water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.