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[nitzsche]

Real freeware authors bypass the registry on principle.

 

[jo]

Eye of beholder, as they say.

People keep posting to the Agent group moaning about how it looks.
I don't know what the GUI looks like in the app under discussion but I
do know I like simple, functional GUI's.
My Opera skin is the simplest available and looks like a cross between
W95 and W98.
I hate flashy GUI's.
Don't like them.
Etc

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

People keep posting to the Agent group moaning about how it looks.

I've noticed. Had a look once the new version 2 came out and can
understand why.

I don't know what the GUI looks like in the app under discussion but I
do know I like simple, functional GUI's.

Picture on main page <http://home.pacbell.net/nitzsche/dirhtml/>
and more on:

My Opera skin is the simplest available and looks like a cross between
W95 and W98.
I hate flashy GUI's.
Don't like them.

Ditto for me re Opera, and ditto for GUI's in general, prefer simple
and functional over "flashy" and "prettified", in short: KISS.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Box134]

Sounds like a lot of work.... think I'll wait for the telepathic interface.

 

[omega]

Real freeware authors bypass the registry on principle.

I've been building a record of which programs run without littering
my environment... When I need a program of some function for adapting
into my habits, I always look first through the clean programs.

Only if I can't get the function from any there, do I then go for
something that wants to write to reg or windir. Very last resort,
when no good alternative, is using those programs which rudely
write all over the place (appdata dir, forced vanity filetypes,
etc).

Thank you for making Dirhtml 100% clean.

 

[jo]

Picture on main page <http://home.pacbell.net/nitzsche/dirhtml/>
and more on:
<http://home.pacbell.net/nitzsche/dirhtml/dirhtml_screen.html>

A straightforward GUI. God knows why people want anything more...

 

[jo]

I've noticed. Had a look once the new version 2 came out and can
understand why.

Some people paid money for the slowness, ugliness, and instability of A2
and then they justify their investment by lauding the new improved spell
chucker.
Shame about the direction Agent is taking; FA should really be a prime
candidate for pricelessware, and isn't.

 

[Porch Dog]

A straightforward GUI. God knows why people want anything more...

doesn't matter what you have...someone's gonna bitch about it...you can't
please all the people all the time

 

[Rod]

That "really ugly interface" comment hurt. I've just mellowed out the
background image a bit. Still at v4.59.

If it makes you feel better: it's a great program.
I prefer functionality above looks, there isn't much eye-candy on my
system.
Thank you for changing it, I just thought it looked like it 'wasn't feeling
too well'. Now it's much better.

 

[Rod]

A straightforward GUI. God knows why people want anything more...

I'm the kind of person that lives by: less is more. For example: I'm on
win98SE, looking at XP gives me a rash.

 

[Rod]

Real freeware authors bypass the registry on principle.

Now that's the spirit, I think this should be quoted on every freeware-
site.

 

[jo]

I'm the kind of person that lives by: less is more. For example: I'm on
win98SE, looking at XP gives me a rash.

So why the 'ugly interface' comment that started this sub thread?

 

[Rod]

You're right, that's an irritation. Its other prob is that it has no
ability to save settings. It's a small, easy program. But it'd be nice
if it were a tad less lite. And that it were free of its compulsion to
advertise the website.

It gave me the ePrompter-feeling.

It has that old 90's look. And as to options being in multiple
tabs, that's a design principle I frequently object to. This program
would do better to have the settings in a single-page dialog (either
flat page, else in a tree/hierarchy style).

Btw, what I have not tried yet with Dirhtml, it's to experiment with
its html output template customizations. Its on my near agenda. I have
one html output project in particular, where I could find no software
to automatically gen the way I needed... So I am hoping I can find a
way there via Dirhtml's possibilities.

And another good thing with this program: the author actually listens to
what the users say about it, and his favorite color is green.

It must have some limit in how much it can handle at a time . Either
absolute, or at least in conjunction with how much computer power it
requires to fulfill a task. I tried it now with an extra large number
of objects (8000 files in 600 directories). It did it, but along the
way, it sputtered, choked, turned pale, until making it to the finish
line.
snip

But no real matter at this point. Having a software crash 4/4 times
does not make for the most wooing serenade.

It got the booing serenade.

Yeah, but it was the only function that I could understand.

That's one of the reason I kept it, i was (and still am) wondering what
this thing does, my first impression was it's meant to make all text in a
textfile look like a button for whatever reason. The program gave me the
Incredimail-feeling.

I'm impressed with how fast you work. You got all those downloaded,
tested, and assessed in incredibly short time.

Broadband helped. A deadline to deliver to my dad what he wanted helped.

Thanks for posting summary comments. It helped me to go through and
think about these utilities a bit more. And to remember that I have
the Dirhtml templates rtfm'ing on my todo...

Reading manuals always end up at the todo-list in this household...

 

[Rod]

So why the 'ugly interface' comment that started this sub thread?

IMHO it looked like it ate the chinese that had been in the fridge for 3
months.
I mean, I could live without the cracky green stuff, I prefer windows-grey.

 

[omega]

Shame about the direction Agent is taking; FA should really be a prime
candidate for pricelessware, and isn't.

Heya, jo, I couldn't figure out the meaning of that last part, about
Free Agent...

 

[jo]

Heya, jo, I couldn't figure out the meaning of that last part, about
Free Agent...

When Agent and FA were seperate apps, I would have regarded FA as
pricelessware.
Agent 2.0 is bloated and unstable, and so therefore is FA. Add to that
the 'crippleware' status of FA - especially in respect of yEnc - and it
can't compete with, eg, Dialog.

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

Heya, jo, I couldn't figure out the meaning of that last part, about
Free Agent...

Probably means the current FA is nagware. It nags you when you
accidently try to access some of the features only available
in the Pro version.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[omega]

Agent 2.0 is bloated and unstable, and so therefore is FA. Add to that
the 'crippleware' status of FA - especially in respect of yEnc - and it
can't compete with, eg, Dialog.

Probably means the current FA is nagware. It nags you when you
accidently try to access some of the features only available
in the Pro version.

I saw this come up briefly under the Ware issues thread. But there were only
a few messages before the topic dropped. It will be on the ware ballot?

I'm concerned that it will be one of those deals, like OE, where there is
just a lot of silent voting going on, without indications that the voters
have honestly considered the arguments over whether the respective programs
qualify as true freeware.

I haven't taken a serious look at the Agent 2.0, not with it toggled in
trial mode, nor with it toggled into the FA/cripple mode.

What I have picked up is the reports that FA has been a hybrid thing for
a while, with lite/greyed/crippled aspects. And yet it still gets voted
Pricelessware.

I have wondered whether any decent number of those voters were actually
FA users. Or instead, mainly Agent users, with misplaced enthusiasm. Too
bad one cannot invent a special ruLe <G> --

Anyone voting for FA as Pricelessware is required to use
FA to post that vote ...

 

[Susan Bugher]

In message <[email protected]>,

What I have picked up is the reports that FA has been a hybrid thing for
a while, with lite/greyed/crippled aspects. And yet it still gets voted
Pricelessware.

I think the situation has changed. IIRC last year an older version was
still available that was "cleaner". IMO it would be good to move this
discussion to the PL Ware thread.

On a related note: AFAIK in order to install the current version of OE
you have to download and install the current version of IE with it. I
wouldn't see that as a problem if the nomination was for a "browser
suite" => OE *and* IE but as it is ISTM FA's bloat pales in comparison. . .

There is support for showing a summary of the objections to each app on
the Ware ballot. Help would be appreciated - if not forthcoming I'll
prepare something and post it for discussion. I think some of the issues
(Trillian?) may be dead and shouldn't be placed on the ballot.

Susan

 

[jo]

I saw this come up briefly under the Ware issues thread. But there were only
a few messages before the topic dropped. It will be on the ware ballot?
Yes

I'm concerned that it will be one of those deals, like OE, where there is
just a lot of silent voting going on, without indications that the voters
have honestly considered the arguments over whether the respective programs
qualify as true freeware.

Agreed; voting by 'inertia' for an app one has never considered looking
at the competition for.

I haven't taken a serious look at the Agent 2.0, not with it toggled in
trial mode, nor with it toggled into the FA/cripple mode.

A2 is horrid. The exe file is about 5.6MB, and for that inflation you
get a new spell chucker. :-(
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

What I have picked up is the reports that FA has been a hybrid thing for
a while, with lite/greyed/crippled aspects. And yet it still gets voted
Pricelessware.

1.21 was a good piece of software. A2 isn't and, partly by association,
and partly because of the crippling, FA v2.0 is not a good piece of
software. It can't begin to compete with Dialog.

I have wondered whether any decent number of those voters were actually
FA users. Or instead, mainly Agent users, with misplaced enthusiasm. Too
bad one cannot invent a special ruLe <G> --

I think there will be a lot of Agent users with 'misplaced enthusiasm'

Anyone voting for FA as Pricelessware is required to use
FA to post that vote ...

LOL. So what would be the requirements for voting against?

I checked the newsreader stats for the group; results in a different
post.