B
Bart Bailey
I was referring to Gaby's mention of some sites that cause indigestion
in Opera with their javascript.
I was referring to Gaby's mention of some sites that cause indigestion
in Opera with their javascript.
G
Gabriele Neukam
On that special day, Bart Bailey, ([email protected]) said...
The last case was a site about a fraudulent "strom-gewinnspiel" which I
had googled up; I couldn't even get the sitename into the history
because of the constant crashes, maybe it was
http://www.ga-online.de/inhalt/2004-07-16/ostemsol/d220933069_19704.html
but I am not sure.
Gabriele Neukam
(e-mail address removed)
The last case was a site about a fraudulent "strom-gewinnspiel" which I
had googled up; I couldn't even get the sitename into the history
because of the constant crashes, maybe it was
http://www.ga-online.de/inhalt/2004-07-16/ostemsol/d220933069_19704.html
but I am not sure.
Gabriele Neukam
(e-mail address removed)
P
Pop Rivet
....
Well, I was just going to pass all these by as entertainment
value, but I note some surprisingly sane and logical
responses from some sane and logical people, so in all
fairness, I want to give them credit.
Your Mozilla comment may or may not be right; no one can
know at this point what actual holes exist in it; they are
likely to be entirely different animals than in IE, but I'd
be careful of making too many finite statements at this
point. For one thing, if Mozilly becomes/became the major
player in favor of IE, in order to build on that arising
lead, there would be some huge "improvements" and forward
jumps in features and bells & whistles. As soon as the
pressure of serious marketing hit, it's likely to follow the
footsteps of every great company. Rome ALWAYS falls, but
then, be careful of "always" and "never". Never say always.
Always avoid never.
I'm not saying you're wrong, you are not. I am saying
though, IMO, it will be an intersting thing to watch
whatever does occur in the future with Mozilla et al.
Nothing is forever, including MS, viruses, et al, so looking
for the future is always fascinating.
Regards,
Pop
Well, I was just going to pass all these by as entertainment
value, but I note some surprisingly sane and logical
responses from some sane and logical people, so in all
fairness, I want to give them credit.
Your Mozilla comment may or may not be right; no one can
know at this point what actual holes exist in it; they are
likely to be entirely different animals than in IE, but I'd
be careful of making too many finite statements at this
point. For one thing, if Mozilly becomes/became the major
player in favor of IE, in order to build on that arising
lead, there would be some huge "improvements" and forward
jumps in features and bells & whistles. As soon as the
pressure of serious marketing hit, it's likely to follow the
footsteps of every great company. Rome ALWAYS falls, but
then, be careful of "always" and "never". Never say always.
Always avoid never.
I'm not saying you're wrong, you are not. I am saying
though, IMO, it will be an intersting thing to watch
whatever does occur in the future with Mozilla et al.
Nothing is forever, including MS, viruses, et al, so looking
for the future is always fascinating.
Regards,
Pop
B
Bart Bailey
From that page:
~~~
EWE warnt vor
Strom-Gewinnspiel
Ostfriesland - Die Verbraucherzentrale und die EWE warnen vor einem
"Strom-Gewinnspiel", das durch Postwurfsendungen in der Region verteilt
wird. Es werde der Eindruck erweckt, das Schreiben komme vom örtlichen
Stromversorger. Das sei nicht der Fall, so die EWE. Bei dem Gewinnspiel
gehe es vielmehr darum, Leute zu Verkaufsveranstaltungen für Töpfe und
Reisen zu locken.
~~~
No clue what it says, didn't bother to babblefish it, however it loaded
easily here, then I bypassed the proxy, enabled js, popups, referrer
logging, cookies, the works, and re-loaded, only thing changed was the
font got smaller. Maybe it was some other site?
BTW: I clicked on several links to see if they would lead me down the
path to doom and the only one that produced an error was "druken",
because I don't have a printer on this machine.
P
Pop Rivet
This is exactly why I sometimes respond to trollers, idiots,
and narcissists; it's quite entertaining. I wasn't going to
bother with the likes of crap like this, but the
entertainment value is just too high. I can 't help myself.
you? Your comment is so far out to lunch there's nothing
else to be said about it.
So, since YOU do not need them, why does that make them
unacceptable and/or useful to the masses, which they
obviously are. Personally, I like them and when I want them
I just switch profiles and voila! They're there! And if I
don't, they're not there. Voila! All it takes is a few
keystrokes. It is patently silly to say they are no good
because YOU don't like them.
== Neither do I get those things. Nor do I get spam,
adware, and a plethora of other things. So what? I don't
care if YOU "do it", but I do care when you tell ME not to
"do it" in another way. Irrelevant comment.
pretty good for a 350 MHz machine, SCSI, and lots of good
stuff like that, not worth listing here.
If you want to know "Why should I ask for more", then why
are you buying XP? BTW, seriously, you would benefit hugely
from a faster machine with XP.
perfect. So what? What's the point? I think youj're
drifting badly here.
pack of lies about security, but you WILL believe, when the
same people tell you SP2 fixes it all? That's inconsistant
and paradoxical in many ways.
Besides, if 98's doing all you need, why wait for SP2 XP?
Stick with 98 if it does all you need! Or go to another OS?
You have lots of choices, so ... why XP?
"progress" is? Why are YOU saying that ALL progress must be
"bad" or "good"? Or don't you know what it really means? I
suspect not. I'd accuse you of being facetious but I don't
think you'd know what that means either.
Obviously, YOU think the progress with SP2 will make a
lied-about OS better, right? Sooo, uhh, well, it just
doesn't correlate. Sorry, used another nickel word there!
parroting other's thoughts and come up with some of your
own.
everyone who uses IE should come over to YOUR camp! Now, if
that were to happen, your comments would almost all become
moot. Then what would you switch over to fanatacizing
about? That's not fantasizing, it's fanaticizing, dummy!
Learn to read! Or, in yer linguyitch, lrn to reed!
engineering and the human capacity. Given equivalent
efforts, maybe even less since there are so many candidates
out there, it would quickly create many houses of cards.
They are like vermin; go where the most is available, if
that's not attainable, then the next most available, and so
on.
It would appear that you think SP2 is solid enough to
send the vermin to the next most available suppy of food; is
that Mozilla, or which other one? Just hang around; it will
become evident in the relatively near future, especially if
as you purport, SP2 fixes all that stuff!
That's not what you meant! They'll accomplish those things
in the near future and I think I've gone over why enough
times now, in enough ways; 'nuff said.
districts, motss bars, dirty back rooms, and darkly lit
streets. I suspect you don't know how to act in other
situations, so you simply keep going back to the same old
places where no one will see you in the dim light. I've
always known how to tell what parts of town are OK and what
parts aren't, from Coronado to Chgo to Dallas to o'seas, et
al. It's easy to figure out where the fun places are where
you won't pick up a virus or worse, if you just think, aren
't lazy, and don't want everything done for you as you limit
your world more and more each day.
=== Information : Too bad you are so light in that
department. Hope you find the light switch soon - reality
is just around the corner if you look for it. Fanatics are
forever in the dark.
Thanks for the entertainment
Pop
and narcissists; it's quite entertaining. I wasn't going to
bother with the likes of crap like this, but the
entertainment value is just too high. I can 't help myself.
== Is it the word "most" or "functional" that is confusingGabriele Neukam said:
you? Your comment is so far out to lunch there's nothing
else to be said about it.
== And that's perfectly fine: You have no need for them.
So, since YOU do not need them, why does that make them
unacceptable and/or useful to the masses, which they
obviously are. Personally, I like them and when I want them
I just switch profiles and voila! They're there! And if I
don't, they're not there. Voila! All it takes is a few
keystrokes. It is patently silly to say they are no good
because YOU don't like them.
== No such thing exists. Comment again is mindless.
sites.
== Neither do I get those things. Nor do I get spam,
adware, and a plethora of other things. So what? I don't
care if YOU "do it", but I do care when you tell ME not to
"do it" in another way. Irrelevant comment.
=== Yeah, so am I. My win98 machine is rock solid, runs
pretty good for a 350 MHz machine, SCSI, and lots of good
stuff like that, not worth listing here.
If you want to know "Why should I ask for more", then why
are you buying XP? BTW, seriously, you would benefit hugely
from a faster machine with XP.
=== Yup, mine, too, but for what I'm using it for, it's
perfect. So what? What's the point? I think youj're
drifting badly here.
=== So, uh, you'll believe when XP came out it was all a
pack of lies about security, but you WILL believe, when the
same people tell you SP2 fixes it all? That's inconsistant
and paradoxical in many ways.
Besides, if 98's doing all you need, why wait for SP2 XP?
Stick with 98 if it does all you need! Or go to another OS?
You have lots of choices, so ... why XP?
=== I don't see the connection: Is that all you think
"progress" is? Why are YOU saying that ALL progress must be
"bad" or "good"? Or don't you know what it really means? I
suspect not. I'd accuse you of being facetious but I don't
think you'd know what that means either.
Obviously, YOU think the progress with SP2 will make a
lied-about OS better, right? Sooo, uhh, well, it just
doesn't correlate. Sorry, used another nickel word there!
=== OK, now your ignorance is showing. You need to stop
parroting other's thoughts and come up with some of your
own.
=== Indisputably true. But, YOU are professing that
everyone who uses IE should come over to YOUR camp! Now, if
that were to happen, your comments would almost all become
moot. Then what would you switch over to fanatacizing
about? That's not fantasizing, it's fanaticizing, dummy!
Learn to read! Or, in yer linguyitch, lrn to reed!
=== Here you show your lack of familiarity with social
engineering and the human capacity. Given equivalent
efforts, maybe even less since there are so many candidates
out there, it would quickly create many houses of cards.
They are like vermin; go where the most is available, if
that's not attainable, then the next most available, and so
on.
It would appear that you think SP2 is solid enough to
send the vermin to the next most available suppy of food; is
that Mozilla, or which other one? Just hang around; it will
become evident in the relatively near future, especially if
as you purport, SP2 fixes all that stuff!
=== You have no idea what "recent programmers" are, either.
That's not what you meant! They'll accomplish those things
in the near future and I think I've gone over why enough
times now, in enough ways; 'nuff said.
=== And that proves what? Are you trying for a stereotype?
=== That's because you apparently migrate to the red light
districts, motss bars, dirty back rooms, and darkly lit
streets. I suspect you don't know how to act in other
situations, so you simply keep going back to the same old
places where no one will see you in the dim light. I've
always known how to tell what parts of town are OK and what
parts aren't, from Coronado to Chgo to Dallas to o'seas, et
al. It's easy to figure out where the fun places are where
you won't pick up a virus or worse, if you just think, aren
't lazy, and don't want everything done for you as you limit
your world more and more each day.
=== Information : Too bad you are so light in that
department. Hope you find the light switch soon - reality
is just around the corner if you look for it. Fanatics are
forever in the dark.
Thanks for the entertainment
Pop
C
Clay
Hehe...Clay, any statistics on browser usage?
Hey, sorry for the delay. I don't read this group very often.
Here's the top 15 - browser usage numbers (webalizer) for July
(might post a bit messy - sorry):
1. 38555 21.23% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
2. 25984 14.31% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
..NET CLR 1
3. 9155 5.04% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)
4. 6773 3.73% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
5. 6374 3.51% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.7) Gecko
6. 4000 2.20% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
FunWebProd
7. 3784 2.08% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0;
..NET CLR 1
8. 3121 1.72% msnbot/0.11 (+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)
9. 2029 1.12% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
10. 1861 1.02% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
Wanadoo 6.
11. 1752 0.96% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
12. 1731 0.95% Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp;
http://help.yahoo.com/
13. 1540 0.85% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x
4.90)
14. 1523 0.84% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.7.1) Gec
15. 1483 0.82% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.6) Gecko
G
Gabriele Neukam
On that special day, Bart Bailey, ([email protected]) said...
Someone is distributiong brochures, asking to send in the reply to a
"save energy contest", and collects the addresses and sells them.
I don't know if there is something similar in the US, but there are one-
day-travels by bus in Germany, who will supposedly bring you to a
sightseeing place, but only for half an hour. The rest of the day you
have to stay in an inn and listen to spin doctors who are trying to sell
you cooking pot sets, magic blankets and the like, similar to home
shopping. But they don't let the bus drive home again, before a larger
amount of (way too expensive stuff) has bee ordered.
In a forum, there were postings that after sending in the postcard, you
get a reply that you won the 7th price, a "high quality material prize,
the worth of it being 150 EUR" (you bet it is a cheap plastic imitation
of the Amulet of... - brzzt - wrong newsgroup, move along)
And you have to attend the bus travel, because only in this vending show
you will be handed the "prize" over. Neat, isn't it?
Could well be. As I said, there was no time to get it into the history
list, and I didn't care to memorize the name of the site at that moment;
I was simply p....d off.
Gabriele Neukam
(e-mail address removed)
Someone is distributiong brochures, asking to send in the reply to a
"save energy contest", and collects the addresses and sells them.
I don't know if there is something similar in the US, but there are one-
day-travels by bus in Germany, who will supposedly bring you to a
sightseeing place, but only for half an hour. The rest of the day you
have to stay in an inn and listen to spin doctors who are trying to sell
you cooking pot sets, magic blankets and the like, similar to home
shopping. But they don't let the bus drive home again, before a larger
amount of (way too expensive stuff) has bee ordered.
In a forum, there were postings that after sending in the postcard, you
get a reply that you won the 7th price, a "high quality material prize,
the worth of it being 150 EUR" (you bet it is a cheap plastic imitation
of the Amulet of... - brzzt - wrong newsgroup, move along)
And you have to attend the bus travel, because only in this vending show
you will be handed the "prize" over. Neat, isn't it?
Could well be. As I said, there was no time to get it into the history
list, and I didn't care to memorize the name of the site at that moment;
I was simply p....d off.
Gabriele Neukam
(e-mail address removed)
G
Gabriele Neukam
On that special day, Pop Rivet, ([email protected]) said...
Neither onr. I meant "defraulted", which sounds a LOT like "defrauded"
I *thought* it would fixes the open-services-to-the-world state it came
in when delivered in 2001. But since yesterday, I am not so sure any
more, that SP2 "fixes all"
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms04-025.mspx
makes it lokk as if only closing the services to the outer world, won't
hale against *that*.
And I bet, it isn't even part of the SP2 yet, but has to be downloaded
and installed separatedly. Sheesh.
I will run my XP machine without any contact to the 'net, if things are
continuing to be like that. My PII400 with Win98 will be my "firewall".
See above, RPGs are by now first person 3D stuff.
Because Morrowind cannot be run under Linux IIRC. There is a way to do
it with Neverwinter Nights, you have to download additional software
from Black Isle, I suppose it is a kind of game engine layered between
Linux (or rather X11?) and the data of NWN
Did you try to run an older Win9x on a machine with > 2 GHz speed and >
512 MB of RAM. Crashes are guaranteed.
I don't like "progress" for progress's sake. Our country is way smaller
than the US, if anything goes wrong, no city or town is far enough away
to not be harmed. This gives us a different POV. Not to mention, that in
the Nazi times, scientists did their "reseaches" by turning human beings
into guinea pigs; which makes us especially wary about the value of
"progress", if the one who is preaching for progress, isn't willing to
be responsible for the outcomes of that progress.
Does anybody still remember Harrisburg? Three Mile Island? That was
years before Tchernobyl, and you were damn lucky that it didn't blow
off.
The internet wasn't intended to be a big market place for vanities.
Because of that, it is poorly supervised. Virtual pickpockets, black
marketeers and gangs are there big time. The police doesn't even have
the laws, left alone the material possibility (think of the pill pages
in CHina) to control them.
I'd rather carry my purse safely tucked in my clothings (different
browser), than in an open shopping basket, which I leave in the shopping
cart while looking for the most interesting cereals.
Nope, only less bad. The ratings are still below zero. I thought it
would have reached at least a slightly positive value, but not if they
have to fix a browser flaw / picture rendering flaw, *after* it has
already been exploited by fraudulent sites.
Don't you yourself parrot, show me the proof that there has been a
hijacking of a Mozilla Browser, or a trojan plated by using said
browser. You are the one that set up the thesis that "alternative
browsers will be exploited, too"
Do you really expect this to happen?
You are talking about something that is irreal. And even if it would
happen (it went *the other way* in the past), the Mozilla crew would be
slightly faster in fixing security holes than MS, and the holes wouldn't
look like barn doors, but be a little bit smaller (require more and
sophisticated coding)
COULD YOU PLEASE FIX THE WORDWRAP OF YOU BROWSER? Thank you.
Why? If the "exploit" is done via mail and not browser, it doesn't apply
to our topic. We were talking about the choice of browsers. If you
include Outlook into the browser category, because it does render HTML
by calling IE, fine. Mozilla has a neat spam filter, did you know that?
How? vs please. There have been worms that used the Bat!, but that was
exactly one, and this one was made only to show. It didn't get far, btw.
(snicker) that would be a hard bite. Heh, did it ever come to you, that
it isn't a natural law that you have to have roaches in your kitchen?
Let them starve.
See above. I want it at least to be not completely bad. But time will
tell, if it will be ever better, or if XP in itself will be beyond
repair.
And what Longhorn will be like. They didn't talk much about that aspect
yet, rather how well it will keep you from pirating. Yeah, Pirates are
the worst scum of the internet, hang them; don't bother about those
innocent phishers, pill vendors, homepage hijackers, trojan droppers,
they are all not interesting, no one can make money with locking XP up
against these.
Ugh, broken lines galore. I won't fix it, lost my interest in that work.
What? They'll accomplish exactly what? Preying on those they have
already attacked? You reply sounds like that. Please be more precise.
Which stereotype? That was a guy without scruples. He wanted to show,
too, as the virus coders did. But he is different in that way, that he
doesn't only want to demonstrate how good he is, he isn't that much
interested in being admired; he is after material gain. There is a shift
in the "values" of amlware writers, they are more and more about to
exploit for money, not for fame.
As a result, they turned malware coding from a kind of "art" (as they
saw it) into a mere business. And I am *not* interested in making their
criminal business activities for them too easy. That is, why I don't
recommend to use IE first hand. I can't do that with a good conscience,
fair and square.
Why did you quote my SIG? Bad move. You should really know what a sig
is. And what sarcasm is.
Gabriele Neukam
(e-mail address removed)
Neither onr. I meant "defraulted", which sounds a LOT like "defrauded"
I *thought* it would fixes the open-services-to-the-world state it came
in when delivered in 2001. But since yesterday, I am not so sure any
more, that SP2 "fixes all"
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms04-025.mspx
makes it lokk as if only closing the services to the outer world, won't
hale against *that*.
And I bet, it isn't even part of the SP2 yet, but has to be downloaded
and installed separatedly. Sheesh.
I will run my XP machine without any contact to the 'net, if things are
continuing to be like that. My PII400 with Win98 will be my "firewall".
See above, RPGs are by now first person 3D stuff.
Because Morrowind cannot be run under Linux IIRC. There is a way to do
it with Neverwinter Nights, you have to download additional software
from Black Isle, I suppose it is a kind of game engine layered between
Linux (or rather X11?) and the data of NWN
Did you try to run an older Win9x on a machine with > 2 GHz speed and >
512 MB of RAM. Crashes are guaranteed.
I don't like "progress" for progress's sake. Our country is way smaller
than the US, if anything goes wrong, no city or town is far enough away
to not be harmed. This gives us a different POV. Not to mention, that in
the Nazi times, scientists did their "reseaches" by turning human beings
into guinea pigs; which makes us especially wary about the value of
"progress", if the one who is preaching for progress, isn't willing to
be responsible for the outcomes of that progress.
Does anybody still remember Harrisburg? Three Mile Island? That was
years before Tchernobyl, and you were damn lucky that it didn't blow
off.
The internet wasn't intended to be a big market place for vanities.
Because of that, it is poorly supervised. Virtual pickpockets, black
marketeers and gangs are there big time. The police doesn't even have
the laws, left alone the material possibility (think of the pill pages
in CHina) to control them.
I'd rather carry my purse safely tucked in my clothings (different
browser), than in an open shopping basket, which I leave in the shopping
cart while looking for the most interesting cereals.
Nope, only less bad. The ratings are still below zero. I thought it
would have reached at least a slightly positive value, but not if they
have to fix a browser flaw / picture rendering flaw, *after* it has
already been exploited by fraudulent sites.
Don't you yourself parrot, show me the proof that there has been a
hijacking of a Mozilla Browser, or a trojan plated by using said
browser. You are the one that set up the thesis that "alternative
browsers will be exploited, too"
Do you really expect this to happen?
You are talking about something that is irreal. And even if it would
happen (it went *the other way* in the past), the Mozilla crew would be
slightly faster in fixing security holes than MS, and the holes wouldn't
look like barn doors, but be a little bit smaller (require more and
sophisticated coding)
COULD YOU PLEASE FIX THE WORDWRAP OF YOU BROWSER? Thank you.
Why? If the "exploit" is done via mail and not browser, it doesn't apply
to our topic. We were talking about the choice of browsers. If you
include Outlook into the browser category, because it does render HTML
by calling IE, fine. Mozilla has a neat spam filter, did you know that?
How? vs please. There have been worms that used the Bat!, but that was
exactly one, and this one was made only to show. It didn't get far, btw.
(snicker) that would be a hard bite. Heh, did it ever come to you, that
it isn't a natural law that you have to have roaches in your kitchen?
Let them starve.
See above. I want it at least to be not completely bad. But time will
tell, if it will be ever better, or if XP in itself will be beyond
repair.
And what Longhorn will be like. They didn't talk much about that aspect
yet, rather how well it will keep you from pirating. Yeah, Pirates are
the worst scum of the internet, hang them; don't bother about those
innocent phishers, pill vendors, homepage hijackers, trojan droppers,
they are all not interesting, no one can make money with locking XP up
against these.
Ugh, broken lines galore. I won't fix it, lost my interest in that work.
What? They'll accomplish exactly what? Preying on those they have
already attacked? You reply sounds like that. Please be more precise.
Which stereotype? That was a guy without scruples. He wanted to show,
too, as the virus coders did. But he is different in that way, that he
doesn't only want to demonstrate how good he is, he isn't that much
interested in being admired; he is after material gain. There is a shift
in the "values" of amlware writers, they are more and more about to
exploit for money, not for fame.
As a result, they turned malware coding from a kind of "art" (as they
saw it) into a mere business. And I am *not* interested in making their
criminal business activities for them too easy. That is, why I don't
recommend to use IE first hand. I can't do that with a good conscience,
fair and square.
Why did you quote my SIG? Bad move. You should really know what a sig
is. And what sarcasm is.
Gabriele Neukam
(e-mail address removed)
A
Ant
...
It's a newsreader, and it's OE. Special measures are required when
making followup posts with it.
[snip]
OE is broken when it comes to quoting. Pop either knows this and
doesn't care, or is showing *his* ignorance (see first quote)!
[snip]
He made a snide remark, which you snipped, about your sig's comment
on "information".
Father Rivet loves to have a pop at MS detractors and sanctimonious
Linux advocates. He calls "troll", but displays troll-like behaviour
himself. However, putting that to one side, he does have a point.
I too like to use OE and IE. Apart from the obvious security problems
and some non-compliance when it come to standards, they are good
products, and can be made safe without endless patching; provided you
understand how to configure them and the underlying OS.
It's a newsreader, and it's OE. Special measures are required when
making followup posts with it.
[snip]
OE is broken when it comes to quoting. Pop either knows this and
doesn't care, or is showing *his* ignorance (see first quote)!
[snip]
He made a snide remark, which you snipped, about your sig's comment
on "information".
Father Rivet loves to have a pop at MS detractors and sanctimonious
Linux advocates. He calls "troll", but displays troll-like behaviour
himself. However, putting that to one side, he does have a point.
I too like to use OE and IE. Apart from the obvious security problems
and some non-compliance when it come to standards, they are good
products, and can be made safe without endless patching; provided you
understand how to configure them and the underlying OS.
B
Bart Bailey
Maybe it's the speed that kills it, I only have 1.4GHz, but do have the
512MB of RAM on 98se, and crashes are rare, and usually my own doing.
I think your sig delimiter should have the two dashes and then a space,
before the line break for most readers to properly ignore it.
I usually just manually whack someone's sig if it's improperly
configured for Agent to do it.
B
Bart Bailey
What, a capitalist ripoff scam in the US?
(sarcasm)
Of course not, we're all simple altruistic folk here, with the best
interests of our neighbors at heart, and a strong abiding faith in
goodness of mankind.
(/sarcasm)
The Nevada casinos used to offer free bus trips and meals to California
suckers and only required that they spend several hours in the
particular sponsoring establishment, but now that the local NDNs have
the corner on that racket, Nevada is out of luck so to speak. <g>
back on topic; if you happen to stumble across any Opera bedeviling
sites, let me know.
G
Gabriele Neukam
On that special day, Ant, ([email protected]) said...
And provided the most recent IE update leaves your settings as they are,
and doesn't put them to defaults, according to MS's standards, which
might be different from yours. I hope it leaves them alone by now (can't
tell if it does, as in fact, I didn't specifically try it, I just
*never* use it)
Gabriele Neukam
(e-mail address removed)
And provided the most recent IE update leaves your settings as they are,
and doesn't put them to defaults, according to MS's standards, which
might be different from yours. I hope it leaves them alone by now (can't
tell if it does, as in fact, I didn't specifically try it, I just
*never* use it)
Gabriele Neukam
(e-mail address removed)
A
Ant
Well since I'm not much into updating and patching my OS (Win2k SP2),
and the MS software that comes with it, I wouldn't know! In the two
or so years I've been using this OS, I've installed the Blaster patch,
and a couple of other fixes which I can't remember now. Didn't bother
with Sasser, and the Blaster patch is redundant now that I've found a
way to close the vulnerable ports. If I ever get around to updating IE
I'll be sure to check my customised settings very carefully.
Despite my high security settings, I am wary of using IE in some dark
corners of the web. In that case I use the OffByOne browser which is
small (weighing in at just over a meg), fast, and doesn't use IE dlls.
N
null
I use Mozilla with javascript on all the time, along with Proxomitron.
I like to challenge the dark corners of the web, and I follow up on
reports of dangerous urls. Never had any kind of problem yet. IMO OB1
is just too limited and awkward to use for general browsing or poking
my nose into the supposed dark and dangerous places.
BTW, I suppose you know that the Gecko based browsers are also
independent of IE's html rendering engine. I've experimented with this
by renaming mshtml.dll plus several other DLL files IE uses.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
K
kurt wismer
just a heads up on moz - there's a new vulnerability whereby xul is
parsed like it's the xul that defines the browser UI (and therefore
able to spoof the UI of the browser)... unlike the others recently i
have yet to hear anything about mozilla.org having (or even working on)
a fix...
N
null
Easy to Google up the Secunia adisory using "Mozilla XUL
vulnerability"
..
You can also find the backgound history here:
http://www.nd.edu/~jsmith30/xul/test/spoof.html
Apparently, this long standing problem just needed a nudge from
someone willing to write a POC.
If users follow the Cert advice concerning Mozilla, they will keep
javascript disabled except for trusted sites. Apparently, it requires
that js be enabled for potential spoofing to work.
As I said, I leave js enabled all the time. I'm still looking for any
kind of real world exploit or problem with Moz.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
A
Ant
I allow scripting in IE, but Active-X is set to prompt. I also have
something that blocks pop-ups and certain ad servers. I've never been
compromised by any drive-by downloads or other exploits.
It is limited, but good enough to check out a suspicious site. Usually
I just "view-source:" with IE on a dodgy URL to check what it's up to
before allowing it to render.
I'm aware of that, but I'm very careful where I go on the web. If I
ever start surfing the underbelly on a regular basis, I'll check out
the Moz based browsers.
B
Bob
Art, I have enjoyed reading your posts on malware prevention. But I must
have missed reading where you use Proxomitron. How does Proxomitron help
you? Thanks.
(I am using Win 98FE and took your advice and did the Steve Gibson
unbinding procedure. I am a home user, dial-up.)
N
null
Hello Bob. My concern wasn't security related. My wife has some
genealogy free pages up at Geocities. Moz's ad blocking wasn't
completely doing the job. I found that Proxo with just its default
settings did do the job. The pages come up the way they should,
completely free of all ads and banners, clean as a whistle
There are those who claim added security using Proxo or other proxies
such as Privoxy. But in particular, Proxo has its dedicated followers
and enthusiasts, as you might also have noticed. I can't say whether
or not Proxo adds any real security. I look at it strictly as a
annoyance remover. But with certain settings, it might compensate for
javascript vulnerabilities to some extent. I just don't know.
And speaking of annoyances, I noticed that AdAware and Spybot started
some time ago making a big deal out of tracking cookies. To shut them
up <smile> I decided to pull the old trick from the ancient Netscape
days and make my cookies.txt file read-only after editing it down to
almost nothing. Works like a charm to keep AdAware and Spybot
complelely quiet every time I update and run them
I can't see thebig deal over tracking cookies, fer gawdssakes. I guess the authors of
these utils just want to let their users know what's going on.
You're welcome.
Did you also rename RPCSS.EXE the way I suggest on my Network page? Do
you get a null netstat -an result after a fresh boot and just going on
line?
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
M
me
(e-mail address removed) wrote in
Proxomitron indeed stops some JavaScript exploits. It "killed"
the script appended to hacked pages, < craft > whatever the
recently used trick was/is. < /craft >
BTW, Art thanks for mentioning the R-O trick. Now I can apply it
to Firefex w/o extensive testing (using it still in Netscape).
J
Hello Bob. My concern wasn't security related. My wife has
some genealogy free pages up at Geocities. Moz's ad
blocking wasn't completely doing the job. I found that
Proxo with just its default settings did do the job. The
pages come up the way they should, completely free of all
ads and banners, clean as a whistle
There are those who claim added security using Proxo or
other proxies such as Privoxy. But in particular, Proxo has
its dedicated followers and enthusiasts, as you might also
have noticed. I can't say whether or not Proxo adds any
real security. I look at it strictly as a annoyance
remover. But with certain settings, it might compensate for
javascript vulnerabilities to some extent. I just don't
know.
And speaking of annoyances, I noticed that AdAware and
Spybot started some time ago making a big deal out of
tracking cookies. To shut them up <smile> I decided to pull
the old trick from the ancient Netscape days and make my
cookies.txt file read-only after editing it down to almost
nothing. Works like a charm to keep AdAware and Spybot
complelely quiet every time I update and run them
can't see the big deal over tracking cookies, fer
gawdssakes. I guess the authors of these utils just want to
let their users know what's going on.
-snip-
Proxomitron indeed stops some JavaScript exploits. It "killed"
the script appended to hacked pages, < craft > whatever the
recently used trick was/is. < /craft >
BTW, Art thanks for mentioning the R-O trick. Now I can apply it
to Firefex w/o extensive testing (using it still in Netscape).
J