F-Prot DOS user interface program

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null

My updater/emergency program for F-Prot DOS has been redesigned and is
now version 1.6. Both the main FP-UP.EXE and the FPBOOT.EXE programs
in the self extracting F-Pup.exe download have been changed, so
current users should extract as least these two files to their F-Prot
folder.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
U

uhuru

Il Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:22:18 GMT, (e-mail address removed) ha scritto:
My updater/emergency program for F-Prot DOS has been redesigned and is
now version 1.6. Both the main FP-UP.EXE and the FPBOOT.EXE programs
in the self extracting F-Pup.exe download have been changed, so
current users should extract as least these two files to their F-Prot
folder.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

I used f-prot DOS for years, now I shifted to windows XP and ut seems
not to work anymore :-((( any chance to use it again within XP?
Thanks!
 
K

kurt wismer

uhuru wrote:
[snip]
I used f-prot DOS for years, now I shifted to windows XP and ut seems
not to work anymore :-((( any chance to use it again within XP?

if you want to use f-prot and xp together you're really better off with
f-prot for windows... at the very least get the fpcmd.exe (the command
line portion) from the f-prot for windows package as it deals with the
newer windows operating system and file system better than the
classical f-prot for dos...
 
G

gram pappy

Il Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:22:18 GMT, (e-mail address removed) ha scritto:
My updater/emergency program for F-Prot DOS has been redesigned and is
now version 1.6. Both the main FP-UP.EXE and the FPBOOT.EXE programs
in the self extracting F-Pup.exe download have been changed, so
current users should extract as least these two files to their F-Prot
folder.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

Art,

Just installed your new updater/emergency program for F-Prot DOS,
now version 1.6. I like it...!!! Thanks for maintaining this great
utility...

gram pappy
 
J

Jarmo

That's a mixed bag which I won't get into since I don't use XP. My
program is designed for Win 9x/ME users like myself.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

Isn't F-Prot kind of an old program, wouldnt trust myself in that, maybe you
get a newer one? Worth paying a few bugs, wouldnt trust free programs in
this worm time.
Jarmo
 
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Ian.H

Isn't F-Prot kind of an old program, wouldnt trust myself in that, maybe
you get a newer one? Worth paying a few bugs, wouldnt trust free programs
in this worm time.
Jarmo


Hmm.. so experience counts for nothing?

I've used F-Prot for years.. and never once got infected by something I
didn't intentionally infect a box with (within a safe environment). OK, I
don't blindly open everything I happen to receive, I don't use crappy
software that's like to automagically open holes on my system (internet
exploder, lookout distress etc).. but F-Prot happily keeps my 6000 or so
viruses et al. in shape. I now have it running under windoze and FreeBSD
quite happily knowing its doing its job.

As for you "wouldn't trust anything free in this worm time".. my OS is
free.. and none of the recent worms that will affect your box will affect
mine....... go figure ;)



Regards,

Ian


FU: a.c.virus
 
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null

Isn't F-Prot kind of an old program, wouldnt trust myself in that, maybe you
get a newer one? Worth paying a few bugs, wouldnt trust free programs in
this worm time.

You're talking here about a DOS version of a antivirus program.
Generally, the DOS versions have the same scan engine and use the same
pattern files as the GUI versions. Detection by the DOS versions is
practically identical to the GUI versions with possibly some minor and
rather insignificant differences, so far as I know. In fact, KAVDOS32,
which is the DOS version of KAV's product, is used by Project VGREP as
a detection reference.

The fact that F-Prot for DOS in particular happens to be free for
personal use has nothing to do with lack of quality and detection, and
everything to do with international import-export taxes .... as has
been explained by Frisk (the founder of FSI).

How long this excellent situation with DOS av scanners will continue
is beyond my guessing. Obviously, the market is for realtime GUI
versions (Ugh!). And M$ has really mucked things up with NTFS and no
DOS on its latest OS versions. So the time may come too soon when av
vendors no longer improve and support their DOS versions. In fact,
I've seen already where the official position of KAV is that their DOS
version is no longer supported. Double UGH!! :)

At least we can hope for unbloated on-demand GUI versions to come out
which require no installation. In fact, that kind of scanner is
required right now for the alternate OS - boot of the latest OS from
M$ ... so that drives can be scanned and repaired properly.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
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Jarmo

You're talking here about a DOS version of a antivirus program.
Generally, the DOS versions have the same scan engine and use the same
pattern files as the GUI versions. Detection by the DOS versions is
practically identical to the GUI versions with possibly some minor and
rather insignificant differences, so far as I know. In fact, KAVDOS32,
which is the DOS version of KAV's product, is used by Project VGREP as
a detection reference.

The fact that F-Prot for DOS in particular happens to be free for
personal use has nothing to do with lack of quality and detection, and
everything to do with international import-export taxes .... as has
been explained by Frisk (the founder of FSI).

How long this excellent situation with DOS av scanners will continue
is beyond my guessing. Obviously, the market is for realtime GUI
versions (Ugh!). And M$ has really mucked things up with NTFS and no
DOS on its latest OS versions. So the time may come too soon when av
vendors no longer improve and support their DOS versions. In fact,
I've seen already where the official position of KAV is that their DOS
version is no longer supported. Double UGH!! :)

At least we can hope for unbloated on-demand GUI versions to come out
which require no installation. In fact, that kind of scanner is
required right now for the alternate OS - boot of the latest OS from
M$ ... so that drives can be scanned and repaired properly.

Well, can understand the thing u r talking about. Did not realised that u
guys are using other op systems than windows. My point was just ... with
windows u need too a realtime active virus scanner, and for that, the DOS
one is not.
Peace guys !
Jarmo
 
B

Bart Bailey

In Message-ID:<[email protected]> posted on Tue, 7 Oct
My point was just ... with
windows u need too a realtime active virus scanner,

Oh no you don't, in fact your system would run faster without one,
unless of course you fall into the category of dumbshithappyclicker, in
which case even an on access scanner won't save you from new undefined
strains.
 
K

kurt wismer

Jarmo wrote:
[snip]
Well, can understand the thing u r talking about. Did not realised that u
guys are using other op systems than windows. My point was just ... with
windows u need too a realtime active virus scanner, and for that, the DOS
one is not.

i think the point you're missing is that the real-time virus scanner is
not *required*, even if you are using windows... some of the folks
who responded to you are actually windows users (art/[email protected] for
example)...

carefully scanning all your incoming materials negates the so-called
requirement for real-time scanning... some folks go further and do
scheduled full system scans...
 
J

Jarmo

Oh no you don't, in fact your system would run faster without one,
unless of course you fall into the category of dumbshithappyclicker, in
which case even an on access scanner won't save you from new undefined
strains.

Somehow .... I wish, this was still a place to change information, not as
a place where you get a target of personal frustrations, well, it takes many
kinds.
 
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null

Well, can understand the thing u r talking about. Did not realised that u
guys are using other op systems than windows.

Then you didn't understand since we do use Windows.
My point was just ... with
windows u need too a realtime active virus scanner, and for that, the DOS
one is not.

No, you do not _need_ a realtime scanner if you know what you're
doing.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
J

Jarmo

My updater/emergency program for F-Prot DOS has been redesigned and is
now version 1.6. Both the main FP-UP.EXE and the FPBOOT.EXE programs
in the self extracting F-Pup.exe download have been changed, so
current users should extract as least these two files to their F-Prot
folder.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

I have my firewall that prompts me from downloading any ActiveX things,
using Mozilla against IE popups, keeping IE updated, cause i still use my
OE, using SpyBot getting rid of things ... but feel still much safer
surfing with updated realtime antivirus program, hehe.
Jarmo
 
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Robert Hull

[QUOTE="Jarmo said:
That's a mixed bag which I won't get into since I don't use XP. My
program is designed for Win 9x/ME users like myself.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

Isn't F-Prot kind of an old program,[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is nearly one day old.
wouldnt trust myself

That's OK, I wouldn't trust you either
in that, maybe you get a newer one?

You have newer than *today* ? How do you do that ?
Worth paying a few bugs,

That says it all. You think it is worth paying to have bugs
 
F

Fridrik Skulason

Isn't F-Prot kind of an old program

Yes and no. It has the up-to date detection engine and uses the
current DEF files. However, we have stopped all new development of
the DOS version - the only thing we do with it when releasing updates
is to recompile it with the current engine source - the DOS-specific
code hasn't been modified for a long time.

Our main business is of course the Windows and Unix (including Linux,
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Aix, Solaris etc) versions. We may be
releasing an OS X verion soon, as well as an OS/2 command-line version
- yes, there have been requests for that. The DOS version is being
maintained, but nothing more than that. It will detect the same
viruses as the other versions, but do not expect any significant new
features to be added to it.

-frisk
 
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)

No, you do not _need_ a realtime scanner if you know what you're
doing.

This is true - but requires:

1) A well-defined perimeter

You can only on-demand scan if given the opportunity, i.e. the content
has to stand still in inactive form and in a form that is scannable,
before it is "opened".

Any number of coding defects can drill through that, and these often
apply even if the affected subsystem (e.g. IE) is present but not
used. Removing such subsystems helps, but may bring its own problems.

Most email apps hide incoming attachments within mailboxes in a form
that cannot be assumed scannable, and then will create the file and
jump into it in one action when you "open" the attachment from the
link to it within the email message.

2) A clued user base

You can design your system to remove these problems, i.e. plug holes
(note that Windows Update needs IE), choose an email application that
doesn't hide attachments, and so on.

But you still have to be clued enough to always electively scan
incoming material before use, every time. For plural values of "you"
(i.e. families, house mates, cow-orkers, etc.) this can quickly become
a minefield of recriminations etc.


For this reason I do advocate on-access scanning in new Windows PCs
that can pull the overhead, but that doesn't do away with the need for
an on-demand scanner. The needs are:

1) Multiple scanning engines

F-Secure bundles two or three (what's the third one?) engines into a
single resident scanner, but if you want to use multiple scanners,
it's best not to have more than one (or even none) running resident.

Non-resident scanners can be applied serially via Start /W as a way of
testing new suspicious stuff more exhaustively. This is perhaps an
esoteric need, pertinant to hi-risk systems (ADSL) or research.

2) Cleaning up active malware

So far, all discussion has been about catching malware before it runs,
based on the assumption that malware will never penetrate our
protective layers and go active.

Once active, a Windows-based av is a poor choice of cleaner, though
slightly less silly than on-line scanners. The potential exists for
active malware to out-maneuver informal scanning, with potentially
disasterous results; it's foolish to assume the malware coder will not
exploit such opportunities from goodness of heart.

So you need an av that runs completely independently, without running
any (potentially infected) code off the HD whatsoever. DOS-based
scanners can do that as long as they can read the file system, which
is where NTFS creates a crisis. What we now need are NTFS-native
scanners that can run from a PE-generated XP boot CDR, i.e.:

- do not need to be installed
- have their own methods of registry access
- do not need to write to the boot drive (which is a CDR)
- ideally, do not need writable HD workspace (RAM drive?)
- do not need to run any code off HD
- do not a pre-existing installed presence on the HD
- can read their sig data (and engine?) off a USB flash drive

That's the challenge we need av vendors to rise to - and ideally these
should work both with the "official" MS PE builder (which is
conspicuously NOT available to most of us) and 3rd-party PE builders.


---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
A dog will give its life to save yours.
A cat will be annoyed by all the yelling and sirens.
 
C

Clay

Yes and no. It has the up-to date detection engine and uses the
current DEF files. However, we have stopped all new development of
the DOS version - the only thing we do with it when releasing updates
is to recompile it with the current engine source - the DOS-specific
code hasn't been modified for a long time.

Our main business is of course the Windows and Unix (including Linux,
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Aix, Solaris etc) versions. We may be
releasing an OS X verion soon, as well as an OS/2 command-line version
- yes, there have been requests for that. The DOS version is being
maintained, but nothing more than that. It will detect the same
viruses as the other versions, but do not expect any significant new
features to be added to it.

-frisk

And on that note...

Version 3.14b of F-Prot Antivirus for DOS released - 8 October 2003
<http://www.f-prot.com/>
 
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)

On 8 Oct 2003 03:42:53 -0700, (e-mail address removed) (Fridrik Skulason)
Yes and no. It has the up-to date detection engine and uses the
current DEF files. However, we have stopped all new development of
the DOS version - the only thing we do with it when releasing updates
is to recompile it with the current engine source - the DOS-specific
code hasn't been modified for a long time.

It's sure been a lifesaver for tackling active malware on arbitrary
Win9x PCs, as well as NT PCs not using NTFS.

What is your approach to active infection on NTFS? My take is that
sooner or later, the assumption that one can install and run an av
from within the infected environment is going to fail, and I hope we
have something that can run off an MS or 3rd-party-prepared PE CDR.
 

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