Epson introduces 8 ink tank printers

[ato_zee]

UltaChrome K3 8 ink cartridges fitted in the R2400
Light Light Black, Light Magenta, Light Cyan, Light Black, Photo Black or Matte Black,

Cyan, Magenta and Yellow

Measkite is just going to have a field day with this.

Results look very impressive (if you can keep the ink flowing).

Waterproof prints are also in the pipeline, also printing on
difficult and textured surfaces, for greater creative expression
say Epson..

 

[ftran999]

UltaChrome K3 8 ink cartridges fitted in the R2400
Light Light Black, Light Magenta, Light Cyan, Light Black, Photo Black or
Matte Black,

Cyan, Magenta and Yellow

Measkite is just going to have a field day with this.

Results look very impressive (if you can keep the ink flowing).

Waterproof prints are also in the pipeline, also printing on
difficult and textured surfaces, for greater creative expression
say Epson..

"Photo Black OR Matte Black" So I guess this means these two cartridges
would have to be switched out depending on what one's printing needs are?
That's what I like about my r1800, the MK and PK are in different bays
negating the need for switching. Wonder why Epson just didn't go for the
nineth bay.
Also since they added the extra shade of black it looks like Epson is
getting serious about black & white prints?

 

[frederick]

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[SleeperMan]

UltaChrome K3 8 ink cartridges fitted in the R2400
Light Light Black, Light Magenta, Light Cyan, Light Black, Photo
Black or Matte Black,

Cyan, Magenta and Yellow

Measkite is just going to have a field day with this.

Results look very impressive (if you can keep the ink flowing).

Waterproof prints are also in the pipeline, also printing on
difficult and textured surfaces, for greater creative expression
say Epson..

i think that it was found out a few years ago that more than 5-6 carts is
pointless, since the difference can't be recognized.

 

[Taliesyn]

i think that it was found out a few years ago that more than 5-6 carts is
pointless, since the difference can't be recognized.

The company profits go up amazingly with each extra cartridge. So their
accounting department would be the first to recognize the amazing
difference an 8, 10 or 12 cartridge printer can have. ;-)

-Taliesyn

 

[SleeperMan]

The company profits go up amazingly with each extra cartridge. So
their accounting department would be the first to recognize the
amazing difference an 8, 10 or 12 cartridge printer can have. ;-)

-Taliesyn

i would agree with that. Because printer with more carts is "way better,
more proffesional model" and as such sold at way bigger prices. And there
are many people out there who actually believe that crap. It's quite
profitable policy and companies are not stupid, it's folk, who's prepared to
pay ten times price for 1% better quality.

 

[rafe b]

In the pipeline? They're already here.

Epson Premium Glossy Photo Paper, on an R1800.

I just tried it... held the print under hot
running water for a minute or so. No problem
at all.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

 

[rafe b]

Taliesyn wrote:

i would agree with that. Because printer with more carts is "way better,
more proffesional model" and as such sold at way bigger prices. And there
are many people out there who actually believe that crap. It's quite
profitable policy and companies are not stupid, it's folk, who's prepared to
pay ten times price for 1% better quality.

There is truth in both arguments: yes, of course,
Epson is looking at dollar signs.

OTOH, the extra inks (or even clear coats) offer
many potential advantages, including (but not
limited to) beautiful monochrome prints, extra
gamut on color prints, or clear sealants for
gloss and/or longevity.

Apparently the old and venerable Epson 1160 is
still sold outside the USA. IMO, it was the
last and best four-color printer (CMYK) that
Epson made. I hear tell you can still buy
it (new) in the UK and Oz.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

 

[zakezuke]

I just tried it... held the print under hot

running water for a minute or so. No problem
at all.

I did the same with Canon ink, and MIS ink, on their pr-101 paper.
Kirkland letter sized photo paper did bleed a tad moments after
printing.

 

[SleeperMan]

There is truth in both arguments: yes, of course,
Epson is looking at dollar signs.

OTOH, the extra inks (or even clear coats) offer
many potential advantages, including (but not
limited to) beautiful monochrome prints, extra
gamut on color prints, or clear sealants for
gloss and/or longevity.

Apparently the old and venerable Epson 1160 is
still sold outside the USA. IMO, it was the
last and best four-color printer (CMYK) that
Epson made. I hear tell you can still buy
it (new) in the UK and Oz.

Epson's continuing struggle is about gloss, since it uses pigmented ink on
it's better models. Sure, it lasts longer, but it lacks of high gloss no
matter what they do. It's gloss optimizer is desperate try to achieve
results, but works only parly. I guess it's up to a decision either high
glossy nice photos or long lasting, can't have both...

 

[rafe b]

Epson's continuing struggle is about gloss, since it uses pigmented ink on
it's better models. Sure, it lasts longer, but it lacks of high gloss no
matter what they do. It's gloss optimizer is desperate try to achieve
results, but works only parly. I guess it's up to a decision either high
glossy nice photos or long lasting, can't have both...

Have you seen prints from the R800 or R1800?

I'm pretty pleased with the results, on Epson PGPP.

Bear in mind that there are now several different
formulations of the Epson Ultrachrome ink set, and
more still in the works, I hear.

Eg., a new variant of the R1800 was just introduced
in Japan, dubbed PXG-5100. Offhand, since I can't
read Japanese, I can't tell what's new about it.



rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

 

[measekite]

Have you seen prints from the R800 or R1800?

I'm pretty pleased with the results, on Epson PGPP.

YES. VERY GOOD BUT SUSCEPTABLE TO BRONZING. AND NOT QUITE AS VIVID AS
THE CANON I9900

 

[measekite]

rafe b wrote:


Epson's continuing struggle is about gloss, since it uses pigmented ink on
it's better models. Sure, it lasts longer, but it lacks of high gloss no
matter what they do. It's gloss optimizer is desperate try to achieve
results, but works only parly. I guess it's up to a decision either high
glossy nice photos or long lasting, can't have both..

HE FINALLY WOKE UP AND SAID SOMETHING

 

[SleeperMan]

Have you seen prints from the R800 or R1800?

I'm pretty pleased with the results, on Epson PGPP.

Bear in mind that there are now several different
formulations of the Epson Ultrachrome ink set, and
more still in the works, I hear.

Eg., a new variant of the R1800 was just introduced
in Japan, dubbed PXG-5100. Offhand, since I can't
read Japanese, I can't tell what's new about it.

saw them...
it's just ....no matter how they try and improve their ink, the real point
is in pigment technique:
photo paper has ultra gloss layer at the top. Dye ink is absorbed by it and
so ink goes UNDER this gloss layer, as a result gloss remains on the top,
shining like hell, (and then also waterproofing is achieved by this).
Pigment ink is made of micro particles and as such remains on the surfface
ABOVE this gloss layer, covering it and preventing it from shining. Then
only thing Epson can do is to add a finish gloss layer (kind of liquid),
which, no matter what they do, can't be as glossy as gloss layer on the
paper. The difference isn't space big, but it's there. Compare print on, say
Epson ultra gloss paper (or whatever), and print on Canon Photo paper
pro...results ARE visible. And that is comparing cheap ip4000 with expensive
Epson model. I made a couple of prints on that paper, took it into store (my
friend worked there) and we made some prints on Epson R800, which costs
somewhat than twice as my ip4000...results were .... well, i'm very glad i
chose Canon...that's all i'll say.
See, the main point when printing photos is (at least for me and many
others, i'm sure) that i give a shit about lasting 100 years or so...i just
want to make a perfect print. If it fades after 2 or 5 years, i'll just
print another one and it will be new again.

 

[frederick]

Epson's continuing struggle is about gloss, since it uses pigmented ink on
it's better models. Sure, it lasts longer, but it lacks of high gloss no
matter what they do. It's gloss optimizer is desperate try to achieve
results, but works only parly. I guess it's up to a decision either high
glossy nice photos or long lasting, can't have both...

HP thinks you can.

 

[frederick]

See, the main point when printing photos is (at least for me and many
others, i'm sure) that i give a shit about lasting 100 years or so...i just
want to make a perfect print. If it fades after 2 or 5 years, i'll just
print another one and it will be new again.

Many do care though. Canon has several new pigment printers, HP has
one coming.

 

[SleeperMan]

HP thinks you can.

well, i hope so...

 

[rafe b]

HP thinks you can.

As long as you use only HP swellable-polymer paper.

Alas, that's a deal I've had to refuse, else I would
still be using my DesignJet 30.



rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

 

[Arthur Entlich]

These printers have been on the market for months now, as well as the
4800, 7800 and 10800 wide carriage versions using the same inksets.

The Ultrachrome ink sets have very few issues with clogging.

Art

 

[Arthur Entlich]

The reports back from users is the black and white images are beautiful.
Neutral and well toned.

Art