Epson "ink is low" ripoff

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A. L. Meyers

Judging from the comments here, it appears that for robustness,
economical, carefree use etc. one should go with lasers, and
with one that has separate drum and toner to save on drum replacement
costs because a drum lasts much longer. Obviously, Linux compatibility
is a must. But is postscript necessary? ps printers generally have
been much more expensive. Error-free paper handling is of course a
requirement. No hassles, no fumbling: just lazy, easy plug-n-play.
Colour is not a requirement.

More recommendations?

Lux
 
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Gary Tait

Judging from the comments here, it appears that for robustness,
economical, carefree use etc. one should go with lasers, and
with one that has separate drum and toner to save on drum replacement
costs because a drum lasts much longer. Obviously, Linux compatibility
is a must. But is postscript necessary? ps printers generally have
been much more expensive. Error-free paper handling is of course a
requirement. No hassles, no fumbling: just lazy, easy plug-n-play.
Colour is not a requirement.

More recommendations?

Lux

Depensd what OS you are using, and what you use the printer for
perhaps.

IMO, printers with an all-in one conumables may be cheaper in the long
run, if you refill, as the price of a replacement developer/drum of a
fixed drum printer is rather expensive.

I have a Panasonic KX-P4420 that is sitting idle, because of the cost
ot a developer unit and drum are too much.
 
G

George Macdonald

Judging from the comments here, it appears that for robustness,
economical, carefree use etc. one should go with lasers, and
with one that has separate drum and toner to save on drum replacement
costs because a drum lasts much longer.

Definitely for me, if you don't need color, laser is far superior.

I used to think like that on the (separate) toner & drum/devloper cartridge
but drums go bad with aging anyway, and start ghosting, often long before
the drum is really bad or worn out. I've seen corona wires break for no
reason, rendering the whole drum assembly useless. Then there's developer
which wastes a lot of toner when you replace. The separate packaging for
each is additional cost so that, in the end, with modern laser engines, I
think the integrated cartridge is best.
Obviously, Linux compatibility
is a must. But is postscript necessary? ps printers generally have
been much more expensive. Error-free paper handling is of course a
requirement. No hassles, no fumbling: just lazy, easy plug-n-play.
Colour is not a requirement.
More recommendations?

My personal preference is for postscript - I wouldn't buy a laser printer
without it and have, in the past, added the option... no where near as
expensive as it used to be and the "emulations" are as good as Adobe's
licensed stuff now IME.

I hate the printers with the vertical loose sheet feed and output hopper
(looks like the stuff is growing out of it :)) - I prefer a slide-in input
drawer, but a tray is OK if it's covered... and output tray on the top of
the case. Optional straight through path, with say a fold-out output tray
is nice if there's any chance you might want to print to heavy stock paper.

I don't have a lot of experience with different makes - I've been
reasonably happy with Lexmark lasers for home and the office for a while
now, so have not looked at alternatives recently. Considering the abuse
they get in the office, from the err, maladrioits, the fact that we never
get paper jams speaks well for me. The only thng that pisses me off about
Lexmark is the extortionate price on add-ons like network cards ($300.
extra for a $15. card), paper drawers and memory (~$500. for a $40. DIMM).

The printer memory DIMMs are now *finally* becoming (semi-)standardized so
Crucial usually has a DIMM which fits the common printers... something to
check when looking at printers. I recently got a Lexmark T420D for the
office and Lexmark wanted ~$500. for a 64MB DIMM - I got one from Crucial
for $32... which didn't work.:-( Lexmark's usually excellent support could
only say "if it's not a Lexmark part, blah, blah, blah". Crucial, of
course were excellent and replaced it with one which works fine.

Interesting point on that Crucial DIMM: the part which didn't work had
Samsung memory chips and Crucial noted this when I phoned their support:
"hmm, you have a 'K-part'... with the Samsung chips. We'll send you one
with Micron chips".

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
 
M

Matt

A. L. Meyers said:
one should go with lasers, and Yes.
with one that has separate drum and toner to save on drum replacement
costs because a drum lasts much longer.
No.
 
J

Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH

[Followups trimmed]
Dave C. said:
Go HP or Canon instead.

FWIW, I picked up a BJC-4300 for $15 at a local used-PC-stuff place, and he
had about a dozen more in there. All of them had clogged heads, but a new
cartridge ($35 with black and color tanks included) fixed that, and a new
black tank (BCI-21) can be had at WalMart for less than $8. There's also a
black-only tank for those who don't care about color, which lasts a lot
longer...according to http://www.inksell.com/bpi421bk.html it can be had
for under $5.
 
T

Trent©

[Followups trimmed]
Dave C. said:
Go HP or Canon instead.

FWIW, I picked up a BJC-4300 for $15 at a local used-PC-stuff place, and he
had about a dozen more in there. All of them had clogged heads, but a new
cartridge ($35 with black and color tanks included) fixed that, and a new
black tank (BCI-21) can be had at WalMart for less than $8. There's also a
black-only tank for those who don't care about color, which lasts a lot
longer...according to http://www.inksell.com/bpi421bk.html it can be had
for under $5.

The $5 one is the small tank...that need to go into the holder.

The big tank is the BC-20.


Have a nice week...

Trent©

What do you call a smart blonde?
A golden retriever.
 
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Alan Walpool

St> Just a heads up, I'm never going to use/buy another epson printer
St> after this experience.

St> Bought a C84 for doing only B&W text printing. Seemed to have a
St> big enough black cart and 3 colors instead of just one color so I
St> wouldn't have to replace all the colors when one ran out if ever.
St> I've always used canon printers in the past and these types of
St> things were good to have. I am using linux and had the printer
St> set on "draft" mode to conserve ink. WRONG.

St> Epson doesn't measure the ink levels, the "estimate" how much
St> ink is left by how many pages are printed and shuts down the
St> printer after this many pages no matter how much ink is left.
St> First the black "ran out" so I bought a high capacity cart
St> thinking this would help (extra $ and probably no more ink they
St> just "let" you print more pages with that one!) Now it won't
St> print because the color well are all "out of ink" and they are
St> still totally full as I've never printed any color pages! I can
St> shake the wells and they are just as full as new ones yet the
St> printer won't work and this isn't a software thing, it's in the
St> printer itself. Why have separate carts for color if the printer
St> is going to claim they are all out at once? As soon as this ink
St> "runs out", this POS is going into the trash. They should be
St> ashamed of themselves for stealing money from people this way.

St> Anyway hope this helps someone from making the same mistake I
St> did. I have seen the "hacks" but they look like way to much work
St> to save a $50 printer.. --

St> Stacey

Hi,

I wish I had known this 9 months ago. Anyway I learned the hard way,
and really didn't understand until I read the above message. Screwed
completely. Just purchased a laser for black and white because it
requires far less maintenance.

Whatever,

Alan
 
A

Alceryes

It really disables printing? That sucks! Also, just a side note...if your
cartridges dry out they may also be reported as low. That doesn't seem like
it's the case though.
 
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Guest

I want to make our consistent long-standing experience with Epson cartridges
to be known as well.

For over a year now we have had an Epson Stylus printer which we have done
tons and tons of colour printing on.

I swear, every other time you try to print after the printer has been
switched off, the printer warns of low ink. The printer prints a bit badly
and so you run the printer diagnostics like head cleaning, which, ha!
suprise suprise
! uses loads of ink. So, when you finally get the damn thing to print
properly, guess what?! its out of ink again - and only after several pages!
Oh what irony, I have to buy some more!

Now, the funny thing is, we take the label off the cartridge that says "do
not remove" off, because we are wondering why its ran out of ink already -
and guess what?! behind the sticker is a clear plastic window that is a kind
of measurement channel, like you see on the side of a kettle to let you know
how full the cartridge is. Well, blow me if its not 5/6ths full! Fancy
that - to make sure, as you can imagine, our whole IT department stands
around the cartridge after we jab it a few times with a stanley blade - and
guess what?! ink comes oozing out running all over our fingers and only
stops flowing about 20 seconds later. Empty, my arse.

I rest my case. Try it yourselves next time if you don't believe me. Epson
are screwing us, think carefully next time you want a new printer that's all
I'm saying.
 

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