Dualboot problem (2 times XP Pro), second version only goes to justbefore login screen

A

Alex Schugman

Hello,

I have four partition, the first is the original XP installation, on
the second partition I copied a fresh install from another drive using
Acronis.

Now, when I try to boot to the second partition (XP bootmanager), it
boots and does its thing, the start screen appears and just before one
would expect the login box to appear, there appears a small xp logo
(with the words "welcome" under it, if I remember correctly).

I assume there are issues with the drive lettters but I have no idea
how to fix it. can anyone help?

thanks,
Alex
 
S

sgopus

you can't

in order for something like what your trying to do to work , you would have
to get a 2nd XP cd and install it in the 2nd partition.

if you want a backup copy get a 2nd external HD and do a clone
 
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Gary S. Terhune

You're probably right, and the way to "fix" it is to use a third-party boot
manager like BootIt NG (BING) to manage the boot instead of XP's boot
manager. That way, each installation can be C:\. I also use BING boot menus
to hide each OS partition from the others. Keeps confusion to a minimum.

Installing a fresh system using BING can be tricky sometimes, but once you
learn how, it beats using XP's boot menu in a lot of ways.

Or do as "sgopus" suggests.
 
A

Alex Schugman

You're probably right, and the way to "fix" it is to use a third-party boot
manager like BootIt NG (BING) to manage the boot instead of XP's boot
manager. That way, each installation can be C:\. I also use BING boot menus
to hide each OS partition from the others. Keeps confusion to a minimum.

Installing a fresh system using BING can be tricky sometimes, but once you
learn how, it beats using XP's boot menu in a lot of ways.

Or do as "sgopus" suggests.

i downloaded BootIt... the pack didnt even have a setup file... is it
something for expert users?
 
T

Timothy Daniels

Alex Schugman said:
i downloaded BootIt... the pack didnt even have a setup file... is it
something for expert users?

BING is wonderful - but it costs money. You can do what you
want without BING, but you need a cloning utility that can clone
single partitions (which Disk Director can do) - or at least image a
single partition and then restore it in a new location (which True Image
can do). Instead of BING, you can use XP's own ntldr and boot.ini
files to present the mulit-boot menu and to load XP. And instead of
BING for partition management, you can use Gparted, a Linux-based
partition manager that has a GUI, making it OS-agnostic to the user.
You can download Gparted as an .iso file for burning a live CD, or as
a .zip file for making a live USB stick. (When starting up Gparted,
I find that I can take all the defaults, except that I must use "1" to
indicate a moderately knowledgeable user, and to NOT let it
automatically set the graphic card type, but to accept the default that
is subsequently presented.)

Using the cloning utility, clone the 1st XP installation to an unallocated
area of the appropriate size, letting the cloner create the partition for
you. (Many cloners, including Casper, let you clone to a partition of
larger or smaller size - all that is required is that the OS fit in it.) You
may also tell the cloner to make a partition of the same size as the
source partition. When that is done, check with Gparted to assure
that the source partition remains "active" - Gparted's "Manage Flags"
function will call that flag "boot". With the source XP running, run
"msconfig" from the command prompt. Click on the "BOOT.INI" tab.
Then click the button labeled "Check all boot paths". This will set up
the multi-boot menu in the boot.ini file of the source XP for you. Then
open boot.ini (at C:\boot.ini) using Notepad, and to make the menu
mean something at boot time, in the two entries under "[operating systems]"
change the strings between the quote characters so that they indicate
to you which copy of XP they point to. Then copy the two entries to
the boot.ini file of the clone XP, overwriting the single entry that is
already there. That will set up the multi-boot menu in the clone SP.
And to indicate to you which copy of XP is running, create a folder
on the SOURCE XP's Desktop with the name like "Source XP".
(You could do this in the clone XP as well, but although it will appear
in the Desktop folder, it might not appear *on* the Desktop.)

Then, with Gparted, set the "boot" flag in the clone's partition, and set
the "hide" flag in the source XP's partition. (This will prevent the clone
from seeing its "parent" OS when it starts up for the first time and thus
from becoming confused about who it is.) Then restart, and the clone's
copy of the boot.ini menu will be displayed. Choose the clone's entry,
and the clone XP should boot up for its first-ever run. If the source XP
called its own partition "C:", the clone will call its own partition "C:", but
as long as the partition does not refer to any other partitions in any of its
shorcuts, there will be no problem with that. Now, both copies of XP
will have a multi-boot menu, and you can boot from either partition to
run either of the XPs.

Using Gparted again, unset the "hide" flag in the source partition.
If you want to boot from the clone's multi-boot menu, leave the clone's
partition "active". If you want to boot from the source XP's multi-boot
menu, set the source partition's "active" flag back to "boot". Thereafter,
you can use one or the other XP's Disk Management utilitiy to set the
"active" flag, but whichever XP partition is selected by that flag will have
a multi-boot menu from which you can select either XP to run.

*TimDaniels*
 
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Gary S. Terhune

Thanks! Since I never use retail or OEM copies to install "play" systems, I
wasn't sure if there were any activation issues.
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Well, it's not for novices, but you're all into multi-booting, so I thought
you should consider learning a better way. I don't know of any boot
managers/repartitioning software that's any better or any easier to run.
Multi-booting is not for novices unless your primary intent is to learn and
you can afford to lose everything and have to start over. Of course, most
people know to create backups of their system(s) before doing this kind of
work.

1. If using WinZip or similar program, Unzip the contents to a new folder.
If you never installed anything like WinZip, XP's "compressed folders" will
show the contents as a regular folder automatically.

2. Run BOOTITNG.EXE to create a bootable floppy or CD installer disk. You
then boot to that disk to install.

3. One hint: Assuming your HDs are already fully occupied by partitions, you
should initially Cancel the installation and then use Partition Work to
shrink (Resize button) the last partition on the first HD to leave ~20MB
free. Then restart and install. Let the installer choose where to put the
program and it should create it's own 8MB partition at the end of the empty
space. When the installation is done, you can use Resize to reclaim
remaining free space.

At the bottom of this page are lots of resources:
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm

Be sure to take advantage of the BING newsgroups.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support-bootit-next-generation.htm

FYI, yes, BING costs $35. Worth every penny if you intend to regularly
multi-boot.
 
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Gary S. Terhune

LOL!!! This is your answer to someone who couldn't figure out how to install
BING?

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MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

Timothy Daniels said:
Alex Schugman said:
i downloaded BootIt... the pack didnt even have a setup file... is it
something for expert users?

BING is wonderful - but it costs money. You can do what you
want without BING, but you need a cloning utility that can clone
single partitions (which Disk Director can do) - or at least image a
single partition and then restore it in a new location (which True Image
can do). Instead of BING, you can use XP's own ntldr and boot.ini
files to present the mulit-boot menu and to load XP. And instead of
BING for partition management, you can use Gparted, a Linux-based
partition manager that has a GUI, making it OS-agnostic to the user.
You can download Gparted as an .iso file for burning a live CD, or as
a .zip file for making a live USB stick. (When starting up Gparted,
I find that I can take all the defaults, except that I must use "1" to
indicate a moderately knowledgeable user, and to NOT let it
automatically set the graphic card type, but to accept the default that
is subsequently presented.)

Using the cloning utility, clone the 1st XP installation to an
unallocated
area of the appropriate size, letting the cloner create the partition for
you. (Many cloners, including Casper, let you clone to a partition of
larger or smaller size - all that is required is that the OS fit in it.)
You
may also tell the cloner to make a partition of the same size as the
source partition. When that is done, check with Gparted to assure
that the source partition remains "active" - Gparted's "Manage Flags"
function will call that flag "boot". With the source XP running, run
"msconfig" from the command prompt. Click on the "BOOT.INI" tab.
Then click the button labeled "Check all boot paths". This will set up
the multi-boot menu in the boot.ini file of the source XP for you. Then
open boot.ini (at C:\boot.ini) using Notepad, and to make the menu
mean something at boot time, in the two entries under "[operating
systems]"
change the strings between the quote characters so that they indicate
to you which copy of XP they point to. Then copy the two entries to
the boot.ini file of the clone XP, overwriting the single entry that is
already there. That will set up the multi-boot menu in the clone SP.
And to indicate to you which copy of XP is running, create a folder
on the SOURCE XP's Desktop with the name like "Source XP".
(You could do this in the clone XP as well, but although it will appear
in the Desktop folder, it might not appear *on* the Desktop.)

Then, with Gparted, set the "boot" flag in the clone's partition, and
set
the "hide" flag in the source XP's partition. (This will prevent the
clone
from seeing its "parent" OS when it starts up for the first time and thus
from becoming confused about who it is.) Then restart, and the clone's
copy of the boot.ini menu will be displayed. Choose the clone's entry,
and the clone XP should boot up for its first-ever run. If the source XP
called its own partition "C:", the clone will call its own partition "C:",
but
as long as the partition does not refer to any other partitions in any of
its
shorcuts, there will be no problem with that. Now, both copies of XP
will have a multi-boot menu, and you can boot from either partition to
run either of the XPs.

Using Gparted again, unset the "hide" flag in the source partition.
If you want to boot from the clone's multi-boot menu, leave the clone's
partition "active". If you want to boot from the source XP's multi-boot
menu, set the source partition's "active" flag back to "boot".
Thereafter,
you can use one or the other XP's Disk Management utilitiy to set the
"active" flag, but whichever XP partition is selected by that flag will
have
a multi-boot menu from which you can select either XP to run.

*TimDaniels*
 
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Timothy Daniels

Gary S. Terhune said:
LOL!!! This is your answer to someone who couldn't figure out
how to install BING?

I hoped that my detailed and clear prose would compensate.
Notice that I didn't just say "use ntldr". And the advantage in using
ntldr is that there is no cost and no installation necessary to use it
since it's XP's own native multi-boot loader. Otherwise, there is
always the archival value to future Google searchers - of which
there could be hundreds of people who *could* be helped.

*TimDaniels*
 
D

dadiOH

Timothy said:
I hoped that my detailed and clear prose would compensate.
Notice that I didn't just say "use ntldr". And the advantage in using
ntldr is that there is no cost and no installation necessary to use it
since it's XP's own native multi-boot loader. Otherwise, there is
always the archival value to future Google searchers - of which
there could be hundreds of people who *could* be helped.

*TimDaniels*

I thought it both interesting and helpful.

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