Do not install the latest Catalyst update posted 2/12/2004

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Exp315

I just tried it with my 9000 Pro AIW. Unfortunately it looks like
another botched job by ATI. After installation my display became 10x
slower. Checked everything I could think of, tried re-installing. No
good. Took me 2 hours to roll everything back and restore my prior
desktop and settings.
DON'T DO IT!
 
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Ben Pope

Exp315 said:
I just tried it with my 9000 Pro AIW. Unfortunately it looks like
another botched job by ATI. After installation my display became 10x
slower. Checked everything I could think of, tried re-installing. No
good. Took me 2 hours to roll everything back and restore my prior
desktop and settings.
DON'T DO IT!

Works fine here.

Not sure why it took you 2 hours... just run cat uninstaller, reboot,
reinstall 4.1s (or whatever), reboot... 10 minutes?

http://mirror.ati.com/support/drivers/misc/catalystutils.html

I've noticed that sometimes they don't install properly and you end up with
a problem with VPU recover that slows everything right down. Using the
above method has worked for me. I also always turn off VPU recover.

Ben
 
S

SpaceWalker

Same old same old,

So far everyone who complaints about slow 2D, did not uninstall the previous
version and installed over their current drivers.

So far 4.2 are working well. I play BF1942, UT2003 mostly and the UT2004
Demo is working well...
 
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Julian Richards

Same old same old,

So far everyone who complaints about slow 2D, did not uninstall the previous
version and installed over their current drivers.

So far 4.2 are working well. I play BF1942, UT2003 mostly and the UT2004
Demo is working well...

I use the Omegas and I don't uninstall first. I thought that Omega
said that you didn't need to. I've never had any problems (that's the
kiss of death on the next lot of Omegas!).

Glad to see UT2003 running well.
--

Julian Richards
julian-richards "at" ntlworld.com

XP Home
L7S7A2 motherboard
Powercolor 9800 SE 8 pipelines with Omega drivers
1 GB RAM
10 GB + 80 GB HDs
CD+DVD/CDRW drives
 
S

Sleepy

feels to me like the ATI catalyst crew are mainly supporting the newer cards
as 3.8 onwards have
given me problems with one game or another on
my 9100. i feel the temptation to upgrade just like
anyone else but keep going back to the 3.7s.
since vpu recovery seems to cause instability on a lot of systems and the
smartshaders is just a gimmick i think
ATI is going in completely the wrong direction.
and why can't they get hotkeys working for pete's sake ?
 
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StarScripter

Exp315 said:
I just tried it with my 9000 Pro AIW. Unfortunately it looks like
another botched job by ATI. After installation my display became 10x
slower. Checked everything I could think of, tried re-installing. No
good. Took me 2 hours to roll everything back and restore my prior
desktop and settings.
DON'T DO IT!

Hi,
I have the 9000 Pro and I installed 4.2 over the old drivers and everything
is working fine.
 
S

StarScripter

SpaceWalker said:
Same old same old,

So far everyone who complaints about slow 2D, did not uninstall the
previous version and installed over their current drivers.

Hi,
I have never removed any old drivers to install new cat drivers and never
had any problems.
 
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Exp315

SpaceWalker said:
So far everyone who complaints about slow 2D, did not uninstall the previous
version and installed over their current drivers.

I did uninstall the old driver before installing the new one. Also
tried powering down and restarting after encountering the slow screen
problem in case something needed a reset. Didn't work.

What I tried today was to run ATI's "uninstall everything" program,
and then try the new driver install again. Still ended up with the
same problem (i.e. slow screen), but this time it magically fixed
itself after a few minutes (VPU reset happened perhaps??).

Unfortunately the "uninstall everything" also uninstalls a whole bunch
of other ATI software which I will now have to re-install (e.g. the
DVD decoder, the Remote Wonder etc), so I can't recommend it as a
solution.

And BTW, ATI should realize that:

a) Not everyone would read and follow their unusual installation
instructions

b) It's a pain that uninstalling the old drivers rearranges the
desktop and causes the previous driver settings (like video
adjustments) to be forgotten

They should fix their installation procedure to do it automatically
and preserve the desktop and driver settings.
So far 4.2 are working well. I play BF1942, UT2003 mostly and the UT2004
Demo is working well...

It would be helpful if everyone mentioned what card they are using,
since some some of the driver upgrades are specific to certain models.
 
B

Ben Pope

Exp315 said:
And BTW, ATI should realize that:

a) Not everyone would read and follow their unusual installation
instructions

The instructions are there to be read. How else are they going to get you
to read them... implant them into your mind total recall style?
b) It's a pain that uninstalling the old drivers rearranges the
desktop and causes the previous driver settings (like video
adjustments) to be forgotten

If it didn't get rid of the settings, it would hardly be a successful
uninstaller, would it?
They should fix their installation procedure to do it automatically
and preserve the desktop and driver settings.

The usual installation procedure (to install over the top) works for most
people, most of the time and preserves settings.
It would be helpful if everyone mentioned what card they are using,
since some some of the driver upgrades are specific to certain models.


128MB 9800 Pro by Crucial on Win2K SP4.

Ben
 
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GTX_SlotCar

To me, the only company that had a real good driver installation was 3DFX
(towards the end). It took care of everything.
I'm really surprised how many people are installing new drivers without
uninstalling the old ones. At one time you had to uninstall, reboot, install
standard vga driver, reboot, install new driver. Now you can skip the middle
step in some OS's.
You don't have to read the instructions, this is common knowledge. It's not
some strange thing that you only have to do with ATI cards, you have to do
it with all brands. Common knowledge, things you just should know, like
which side of a DVD goes up when you put it in your player. (For using the
DVD example, I apologize to my wife, who volunteered to wash a dirty, rental
DVD that wouldn't play, and washed the picture side.) Also, you should close
all running programs, but at the very least, turn off your anti-virus
software while installing new programs or drivers. If you have Kensington
mouse drivers installed, Kensington recommends uninstalling them before
installing any new programs or Service Paks, and then reinstalling them. ( I
learned this the hard way, too.)

Download the new driver. When the download finishes, click 'open folder'.
Drag a shortcut to your desktop.
Click Add/Remove programs, uninstall the old drivers, reboot, click on the
shortcut and install the new driver. It doesn't take 5 minutes.

Here's what can happen. New drivers have different files and filenames, so
when you install new drivers over old ones, not all the old files are
overwritten. Some are left behind. At the very least, I'd think you'd want
to get rid of files that you no longer need on your computer and keep your
hard drive clean.
Once you've installed the new drivers, there's no way to uninstall the old
ones. Add/Remove programs will only uninstall the new ones. I know, you can
always uninstall the new ones, install the old ones again and then uninstall
them, and so on, as long as you can remember all the old versions you once
had installed. But when installing the driver the 2nd time, you may end up
with renamed old driver files or .bak's all over your system (especially you
XP and ME guys). What a mess for not spending an extra 2 minutes for one
more reboot when you install new drivers.

So far you've been lucky (well, some of you) and the new drivers work. They
may not work as well as they could, but you'll never know that. You could,
and eventually will, end up with a registry entry pointing to an old driver
file that's not compatible with the a new driver. It could show up as a bug
in Word or Hydravision or whatever, and you'd never know the cause. You'd
probably just keep reinstalling those programs trying to get rid of a bug
that's not even in them. It may just show up as poor driver performance.

Here's an example (I'm not saying this is the case, just a 'for instance').
Cat 3.10s have a fix (more like a temporary work around) for Call of Duty.
Cat 4.1 comes out and it has a better, real fix for CoD, but it's not
compatible with the previous work-around. You install 4.1's over the 3.10's.
Since you've still got that 3.10 file trying to run, or a registry entry
using it, the 4.1's fix for CoD won't work. Crappy driver, doesn't even fix
CoD. So you reinstall the 3.10's right over the 4.1's, and you still end up
with files that won't work together trying to fix the problem. So, CoD no
longer works with the 3.10s. Your conclusion, the 4.10's messed things up so
bad that CoD won't even work with the old drivers anymore. Then, of course,
you want to get on the newsgroup and warn everyone that you had CoD working
good with the 3.10's but you tried the 4.1's and they messed things up so
bad that CoD won't even play right with the 3.10's anymore. (Once again, I
just made up this scenario as an example, but problems just like this have
happened time and time again with ATI, nVidia and everyone else.)

Now, I really appreciate being warned about problems with new drivers or
drivers that are just a waste of time, but when I hear about them, I do
assume that the person reporting the problem installed them the right way.

It boils down to this; you care about your computer's performance. You spend
hours tweaking and tuning to get the maximum frame rates in games and to
have a stable computer. Why not spend an extra 2 minutes when you install
new drivers so all those other hours won't be wasted? 2 minutes more to do
the job right and also get rid of all those unnecessary old files. Certainly
a better use of your time than spanking your monkey.

I didn't mention using the Cat uninstaller. I believe there's a warning on
it, or when you download it. Take it seriously. After I used it, I couldn't
install any ATI drivers. It took my a long time to finally find a
work-around. And yes, I think I used the uninstaller properly. Just be
careful when using it or use it only when necessary.

Hmm, I'm not even sure which reply I put this post under. Anytime I said
"you", I meant "anyone". This isn't pointed at any individual. And of
course, it's just my opinion anyway.

Gary
 
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Ben Pope

GTX_SlotCar said:
I'm really surprised how many people are installing new drivers without
uninstalling the old ones. At one time you had to uninstall, reboot,
install standard vga driver, reboot, install new driver. Now you can skip
the middle step in some OS's.

You really shouldn't need to do that though. Installing over the top should
work - The OS should sort out getting all the driver files in place and
registry sorted, and the installation program should set the settings to a
reasonable trade-off between keeping old settings and ensuring everything
works.
You don't have to read the instructions, this is common knowledge. It's
not some strange thing that you only have to do with ATI cards, you have
to do it with all brands. Common knowledge, things you just should know,

If it is completely necessary to uninstall old drivers, then why does the
installation program not do it?

Ben
 
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Andrew

You really shouldn't need to do that though. Installing over the top should
work - The OS should sort out getting all the driver files in place and
registry sorted, and the installation program should set the settings to a
reasonable trade-off between keeping old settings and ensuring everything
works.

Agreed, I have gone through umpteen NVidia and more recently ATI
drivers and have never had a problem with installing new drivers over
the top of old ones. Only when I went from NVidia to ATI did I do an
uninstall of the NVidia drivers, and didn't need a "detonator
destroyer" program.
 
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Vellu

In a perfect world perhaps...but I'm sure you're aware that this isn't such
a place (why would one need to update drivers at all, if that we're the
case)

It isn't absolutely necessary to uninstall beforre updating....but since it
can potentially cause problems, why not do it then? It most definitely isn't
either difficult to do nor does it take a long time.
 
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Andrew Rossmann

Exp315 said:
I just tried it with my 9000 Pro AIW. Unfortunately it looks like
another botched job by ATI. After installation my display became 10x
slower. Checked everything I could think of, tried re-installing. No
good. Took me 2 hours to roll everything back and restore my prior
desktop and settings.
DON'T DO IT!

I have a P3-1G, Win2K SP4, and a built-by ATI 128M 8500. I had the 3.4's
installed and held onto them as they were working fine. I've been scared
to upgrade due to issues I had with the 3.3's and earlier (slow shutdown
unless I stopped the spooler, random BSOD when shutting down IE.)

I initially just installed over the 3.4's. My 2D desktop was very slow.
Moving a window around showed obvious 'tearing'. It was like there was no
acceleration at all. I went through various settings in Display settings
and the ATI control panel and didn't see anything obviouly wrong.

I used the ATI total uninstall to clean things up (I don't have any
extra ATI software beyond the drivers/control panel.) I retried the 4.2's,
and it seems fine now.
 
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Ben Pope

Vellu said:
It isn't absolutely necessary to uninstall beforre updating....but since
it can potentially cause problems, why not do it then? It most definitely
isn't either difficult to do nor does it take a long time.

'cos I have found it unnecessary in most cases, and even when I have had
problems, I just use Cat-Uninstaller and carry on...

Ben
 
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Hal

Download the new driver. When the download finishes, click 'open folder'.
Drag a shortcut to your desktop.
Click Add/Remove programs, uninstall the old drivers, reboot, click on the
shortcut and install the new driver. It doesn't take 5 minutes.


I must be doing something wrong. Whenever I try that in XP it
automatically loads up an older version of the ati drivers before I
can install the new drivers. Do you have to re-boot using safe-mode
or something like that?
 
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Shiranui Gen-An

Hal said:
I must be doing something wrong. Whenever I try that in XP it
automatically loads up an older version of the ati drivers before I
can install the new drivers. Do you have to re-boot using safe-mode
or something like that?

If your machine is on a LAN with a net connection XP will automatically dl
and install drivers after you've uninstalled a set and rebooted, so you need
to disconnect from it. Of course if your card is one that XP had drivers
for built in there's no way to prevent it from installing those, you just
have to install over them.
 

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