Deleted files going to /RECYCLER on different drive.

[Swifty]

I recently added a new 2Tb partition as F:
I haven't used it yet, but it is accumulating deleted files from C:,
D:, and E: in F:\RECYCLER

Is this supposed to happen? It takes so much more I/O to move deleted
files across partitions.

What is worse is that the data on the C: drive and F: should NEVER
change between partitions, as the partitions are owned by different
organisations, and this "cross-seeding" of data is causing some severe
security violations.

 

[Jose]

I recently added a new 2Tb partition as F:
I haven't used it yet, but it is accumulating deleted files from C:,
D:, and E: in F:\RECYCLER

Is this supposed to happen? It takes so much more I/O to move deleted
files across partitions.

What is worse is that the data on the C: drive and F: should NEVER
change between partitions, as the partitions are owned by different
organisations, and this "cross-seeding" of data is causing some severe
security violations.

Here is what we know about your system so far:

You have a C, D, E and F partition

What do you see that convinces you that deleted files from C;, D:, and
E: are accumulating in F:\RECYCLER?

How much more I/O are you observing and how are you observing it?

Please provide additional information about your system.

Click Start, Run and in the box enter:

msinfo32

Click OK, and when the System Summary info appears, click Edit, Select
All, Copy and then paste the information back here.

There will be some personal information (like System Name and User
Name), and whatever appears to be private information to you, just
delete it from the pasted information.

 

[dadiOH]

I recently added a new 2Tb partition as F:
I haven't used it yet, but it is accumulating deleted files from C:,
D:, and E: in F:\RECYCLER

Is this supposed to happen? It takes so much more I/O to move deleted
files across partitions.

1. Using Explorer, right click on the recycle bin under the computer name

2. Select "Properties"

3. Select the "Global" tab

4. Assure that there is a check mark in "Configure drives independently".

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[Twayne]

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I recently added a new 2Tb partition as F:
I haven't used it yet, but it is accumulating deleted files
from C:, D:, and E: in F:\RECYCLER

Is this supposed to happen? It takes so much more I/O to
move deleted files across partitions.

What is worse is that the data on the C: drive and F:
should NEVER change between partitions, as the partitions
are owned by different organisations, and this
"cross-seeding" of data is causing some severe security
violations.

Jose's response is good. Further, that's normal. If you take
a look, I think you'll see the same filelist on each drive.
They aren't actually files: Just shortcuts to where the files
are located for recovery or final deletion.

HTH,

Twayne`

 

[Swifty]

What do you see that convinces you that deleted files from C;, D:, and
E: are accumulating in F:\RECYCLER?

Step 1. The monitor for the disk enclosure containing D: and F: tells
me that there is 128Mb of used space on F: yet I have placed no files

How much more I/O are you observing and how are you observing it?

I'm not observing it, but everyone knows that a MOVE within one
partition is faster than a COPY+ERASE because the MOVE updates only
the directory, and that only in the one partition. I can move a 1Tb
file around within a partition in less than 50mS. Try doing that
across different partitions or different physical disks.

Please provide additional information about your system.

OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name XXX-5F77B431C40
System Manufacturer LENOVO
System Model 6258A31
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~2659
Mhz
BIOS Version/Date LENOVO 5CKT44AUS, 25/02/2009
SMBIOS Version 2.5
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United Kingdom
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512
(xpsp.080413-2111)"
User Name XXX-5F77B431C40\Swifty
Time Zone GMT Daylight Time
Total Physical Memory 3,072.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.46 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.95 GB
Page File Space 4.69 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

 

[Swifty]

4. Assure that there is a check mark in "Configure drives independently".

There was, and still is. I don't mind allowing 10% of my 60Gb C: drive
to be recycle bin space, but not 10% of my two 2Tb partitions!

Deletions slow down as the content of the recycle bin gets larger, so
I try to keep the sized down. I rather wish I could specify a maximum
age instead of a maximum size, or perhaps both.

 

[Swifty]

If you take
a look, I think you'll see the same filelist on each drive.
They aren't actually files: Just shortcuts to where the files
are located for recovery or final deletion

I'll investigate this. It will be interesting to see if I have 128Mb
of space used by two directories and a bunch of shortcuts, but no
doubt the directories were allocated large so they would remain
contiguous after a lots of files get written to the disk.

 

[Twayne]

In

I'll investigate this. It will be interesting to see if I
have 128Mb of space used by two directories and a bunch of
shortcuts, but no doubt the directories were allocated
large so they would remain contiguous after a lots of files
get written to the disk.

That's likely. Explorer will actually show you which drives
the deleted data resides on, I'm pretty sure. I use PowerDesk
in stead of Explorer and I know it shows the paths.

HTH,

Twayne`

 

[Jose]

Step 1. The monitor for the disk enclosure containing D: and F: tells
me that there is 128Mb of used space on F: yet I have placed no files


I'm not observing it, but everyone knows that a MOVE within one
partition is faster than a COPY+ERASE because the MOVE updates only
the directory, and that only in the one partition. I can move a 1Tb
file around within a partition in less than 50mS. Try doing that
across different partitions or different physical disks.


OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name     XXX-5F77B431C40
System Manufacturer     LENOVO
System Model    6258A31
System Type     X86-based PC
Processor       x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~2659
Mhz
BIOS Version/Date       LENOVO 5CKT44AUS, 25/02/2009
SMBIOS Version  2.5
Windows Directory       C:\WINDOWS
System Directory        C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device     \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale  United Kingdom
Hardware Abstraction Layer      Version = "5.1.2600.5512
(xpsp.080413-2111)"
User Name       XXX-5F77B431C40\Swifty
Time Zone       GMT Daylight Time
Total Physical Memory   3,072.00 MB
Available Physical Memory       1.46 GB
Total Virtual Memory    2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory        1.95 GB
Page File Space 4.69 GB
Page File       C:\pagefile.sys

You may think you have no files on F, but XP is going to want to
allocate space for a Recycle Bin and generally System Volume
Information. Have you no SVI folder on your other drives? Be sure
you have your explorer View set to Show hidden files and folders.

You have some latitude in these settings (none, more, less), but IMHO
it may be best to just let XP manage these things - since it knows
how.

Yes - if you open the RB on your boot drive, you will see the stuff
and it should reference the drive from which it was deleted so XP
knows where to put it back. I am not sure how they all connect
though. If I open the RB on my other internal/external spinning disks
(D, G, H), it just has entries like you said S-1-... Some have just
one, some have a couple - never paid attention.

Your msinfo32 information is appreciated (not so many questions).

 

[Swifty]

That's likely. Explorer will actually show you which drives
the deleted data resides on, I'm pretty sure.

It shows "Original Location" but whether that is where the file
actually resides, or is just a field used to know where to return it
to if you restore it, is not possible to tell. There seems to be no
way to get at these items, whatever they are, through either explorer
or a command prompt. At least explorer displays them, but it knows
that they are deleted files. I cannot find them at all with "DOS"
commands such as DIR, ATTRIB

 

[Swifty]

You may think you have no files on F, but XP is going to want to
allocate space for a Recycle Bin and generally System Volume
Information.

Those came as no surprise; it was the appearance of entries in the
F:\RECYCLER directory with original locations from C: D: and E: that
intrigued me. However, I now know that they are pointers (shortcuts if
you like) to files somewhere else, almost certainly in the drive
specified by their original location.

I restored a 2Gb file which appeared to be in F:\RECYCLER\S-...\ to
its original location in C:\ and the operation completed far too
quickly for it to have physically moved from F: to C:
My F: drive is a USB attached disk enclosure (D: is in the same
enclosure) and reading a 2Gb file would have involved a noticeable
delay, and an audible noise from the drives. That didn't happen.

Of course, now I'm curious why the F: recycle bin should contain
entries for files erased on other drives, but I'll forget about this
given sufficient time. By tomorrow, probably.

 

[Twayne]

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It shows "Original Location" but whether that is where the
file actually resides, or is just a field used to know
where to return it to if you restore it, is not possible to
tell. There seems to be no way to get at these items,
whatever they are, through either explorer or a command
prompt. At least explorer displays them, but it knows that
they are deleted files. I cannot find them at all with
"DOS" commands such as DIR, ATTRIB

I didn't prove this out, but try adding to look for System and
Hidden files with ATTRIB; I do know I can see them from a DIR
in the Command Prompt, but I have all files set to be visible.

HTH,

Twayne`