CSS?

[Susan]

Is there easy way to convert website to use CSS? There are several <font>
tags in pages. Do I need to manually delete them with find and replace? I am
tired of size and font-face being specified numerous times on pages. I want
to get consistency in website.

Thanks for info.
Susan

 

[Murray]

Susan:

An easy way to convert? None that I know of. You just start doing it and
then it's done. And definitely strip out all those font tags - I don't know
if FP has the ability to do this or not....

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Select all of the text on the page, then Format Menu | Remove Formatting

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[Susan]

I realize my mistake now. I had originally removed formatting from the Word
document source and then applied formatting using FP formatting toolbar. I
should have just used CSS to begin with.

Thanks!

 

[Susan]

Do you generally use CSS for websites? When would you use the formating
toolbar--to override CSS?

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

I only use CSS for:

1. removing the underline from hyperlinks
2. set the link hover color
3. Creating page breaks in long documents for printing.

Other than the above, I personally have not found any good reasons for me to use CSS.

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[Tina Clarke]

Is there easy way to convert website to use CSS? There are several <font>
tags in pages. Do I need to manually delete them with find and replace? I am
tired of size and font-face being specified numerous times on pages. I want
to get consistency in website.

Thanks for info.
Susan

If you have to do more than a few pages ...

note: when using word content first paste to notepad to get rid of the extra
unwanted formatting word gives you)

This is a quick way to remove formatting using the keyboard page by page and
it will have to be page by page if you want to make sure of removing
everything formatting wise.

click the page to postion the cursor on it
Press Control + A to select all content
Press Control + Shift + Z to remove Formatting

There is a Frontpage Addon that will remove font's sitewide ... but you have
to pay for that
called http://frontpagepoweredit.com/

hth Tina
Tip now out is: THUMBS.DB AND FRONTPAGE
http://frontpage-tips.com/ - FrontPage Tips
They are primarily for FrontPage 2003 but will be good
for earlier versions too.

 

[W E B GU R L]

Anyone not using CSS is crazy! Same as templates and if FP has them like DW, library
items. Life is so much easier when you change make change to only one thing instead of
EVERY page. Now that just does not make sense to me!

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I only use CSS for:

1. removing the underline from hyperlinks
2. set the link hover color
3. Creating page breaks in long documents for printing.

Other than the above, I personally have not found any good reasons for me to use CSS.

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[Murray]

Yes, I use it for positioning page elements, and for styling the content.

To get a feel for this, go to my site and look at the code - you will not
see anything other than contents in the code (and some CSS and javascript).

http://www.great-web-sights.com

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

W E B GU R L

I guess that I am crazy, because I can make a single change and have it apply to all pages via
ASP/VBScript.

I can control colors, images, fonts, table/cell widths and heights, content includes, etc.,
basically any HTML element via ASP/VBScript. I do this either from a single page in the site or from
a database without having a need to use CSS for other then what I have mentioned in my post.

A Basic Example/Demo:
http://www.ecom-data.com/Examples/Seasons/default.asp

Click on each of the 4 seasons at the top of the example/demo.

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[Susan]

Thanks, I knew you had your reasons! I read that CSS may cause problems with
older browsers, so I assumed you must be trying to accomodate most everyone.

Susan

 

[Wes]

That's just YOUR opinion. There may be reasons or other underlying factors
which an individual user has, which does not require the use of CSS.
I'm not using CSS, but then I'm not "anyone" either, am I still "crazy"?...

 

[Murray]

Let's be clear -

CSS CAN cause problems in NN4x. It works pretty well in all other v4+
browsers (except IE4/PC and Mac - but nobody uses them anyhow).

If you are going to use CSS, and you want to support NN4x, then you must
check your pages in that browser. Frankly, I have stopped worrying about it
to the extent that I code my pages so that NN4x users get a functional site,
but not one that looks like what you would see in IE/FF/Safari. That's easy
enough to do....

 

[Murray]

Well, yes. 8)

But - show me a page where you don't use CSS so I can be more assertive! 8)

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Without using CSS (which I feel requires more time and effort), it is very easy to design a site
that look "basically" the same in all graphical browsers and it doesn't take any extra effort to do
so.

Stats for one of my client sites show IE2 and up and NS2 and up. I don't care what the number of
users are using these browser or % of the total visitors they are, just that these users are seeing
the site, basically same as any other users.

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[Wes]

That's a terrible and disrespectful reply! I'll be more gracious and not
post what I really want to here.

 

[Murray]

Without using CSS (which I feel requires more time and effort), it is very

easy to design a site that look "basically" the same in all graphical
browsers and it doesn't take any extra effort to do so.

"Basically" is subjective. If you use points for your text size, you will
see a rendering difference between browsers.

 

[Murray]

It was not meant in anything other than a playful sense - that's why I made
sure to include the smileys. Show me one of your pages, though, and perhaps
I can tell you some compelling reasons why CSS would help you. But maybe I
can't - in that case, I'll apologize in advance.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

And you can allow for font size changes.

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[Murray]

The time and effort involved in learning CSS (even CSS 101) will be amply
rewarded in pages that continue to look right on all browsers, and that load
faster than their corresponding HTML styled pages. There's not a good
argument for not expending that time and effort, in my opinion.