CPF or the Comodo Personal Firewall

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George Orwell

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In said:
Ok, we are about to launch our Comodo Personal Firewall v.2 (its going
to be the only firewall that passes all the leak tests! yes we already
tested it :) ) This version will have the licenses done so that it

URL please?

Thanks.
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WhItE RaBBiT

White Rabbit, pls go ahead and give it a try and please let us know
what you think of it. And pls suggest ways we can improve it further..
thanks
Melih

Had a look at the terms.

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After downloading and installing the firewall, just register with us and
you will be sent a license for one year. It is a free, perpetual license
that simply requires annual registration.
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Two things.

1. Some of us are not keen on making freeware registrations.

....and...

2. One year seems more like a limitation to provide for rescission.

Neither of these are likely to inspire usage by very many.

Now, continuing.
 
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FirstName LastName

WhItE said:
Had a look at the terms.

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After downloading and installing the firewall, just register with us and
you will be sent a license for one year. It is a free, perpetual license
that simply requires annual registration.
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How can it be perpetual if it stops working after 1 year?

To make it clear:
It's a *free* (not *freeware*) program, that needs registration to
function, with a registration key valid for *one year*, with a option to
renew it.

Is the registration key *hardware bound*?

I presume that is only valid for personal (private, non-commercial, not
for profit, excluding also governments, NGOs, education organizations,
etc.).
 
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meow2222

WhItE said:
After downloading and installing the firewall, just register with us and
you will be sent a license for one year. It is a free, perpetual license
that simply requires annual registration.
----

Two things.

1. Some of us are not keen on making freeware registrations.

...and...

2. One year seems more like a limitation to provide for rescission.

Neither of these are likely to inspire usage by very many.

I think so too. It might seem minor to the dev team, but from the end
user perspective there are several free firewalls available, and I'd
far rather install something I know will work forever with no further
mucking about. With a 1 year registration, firstly theres muck about to
get it working, then who knows what you'll do with my email address, so
its more hassle setting up a temp addy, and hoping you get a
registration response today rather than next week ot never, then you
dont really know whats going to happen in a year, maybe just a quick
re-reg, maybe have to uninstall and wish you'd put proper freeware on
there in the first place. Since ZA is a known quantity, safe,
acceptably, effective, easy to use, why would I choose to make my life
harder? I just wouldnt choose it.

For a team to undertake a large project, spend a lot of money and time
finding out what users want, give it away free to the world, and then
have people complain that they have to register it may well seem like
taking the piss. Maybe it is, but thats how capitalism works, the
winner in the user's eyes is chosen, 2nd place gets not a lot. So if we
want to succeed we must make the effort to pander to the user's whims,
even when we think them a bit trivial.

If the aim is as I presume to get people to go to the website, see
what's on offer, use the firewall, like it and want to look at the
complete security package, then registration will act against this aim
quite considerably, even if it seems like a trivial matter to you.

Registering and re-registering achieve more visits to the site, more
exposure to the product. Or at least it seems that way. But it also:
- makes it registerware rather than proper freeware, thus it will be
removed from a lot of free exposure lists
- puts a lot of your possible customers off.
thus reduces exposure.

As a simple example of this, you're getting a lot of free exposure
here. That might stop once people notice registerware isnt quite
freeware.

So, is there a way to achieve your goal of widespread trying out of the
fw plus letting the user know what else you can supply? Yes there is.
First, lose the registration. Second, add a 'more' button, along with
the usual file, edit, window, etc. The 'more' menu lists each app you
provide (at the time of distribution of the firewall), and clicking
each menu option takes the user to the info page on your site for that
product/service.

A couple of points. It is important that the FW does not attempt to
update this 'more' menu via the web. If it ever does this, many users
will get paranoid, remove the fw and refuse to recommend it to others.
You may trust yourself completely, but others wont. This means the more
menu list may get outdated. Include 'update this menu' at the bottom of
the menu, and the process is under user control, users are happy. And
if you choose to include a few trivial interesting things, you may get
more clicks. A few pocket size freeware apps from other authors on your
site is a quick easy way to do this. There are even tiny <10k apps that
wont tax the servers.

_If_ you give users everything they want, including the various bending
over backwards, somersaults etc that capitalism requires, your FW would
then be widely advertised at no cost to yourself, with no further work
on your part, and millions of users would be using Comodo FW. Many
would like it, and would explore that 'more' menu. Result:sales. Dont
forget its not only the fw installing people you'll sell to, others
will see the systems too.

Most companies have it the wrong way round with registration imho. Reg
makes sense from the seller's POV, and is the model we all are familiar
with. However it does not add up for a lot of users, nor does it add up
when it comes to exposure. Time to use a more successful biz model
there.

System Requirements

* 32 MB available RAM
* 15 MB of available free hard disk space
Both of these seem about twice as much as is typically encountered.

I dont see how that would be a real problem though, This is an NT only
fw, how many machines run Winnt on <32M? Probably none, IIRC 32M is the
minimum for 2k. The more features a fw has, the more ram it will eat,
and iiuc comodo is trying to produce a kitchen sink product, not a
lightweight for old pcs.

There are still quite a lot of corporate machines running 98 btw. I
assume its too much investment for a shrinking market.

And less relevantly, a few oldies still on 95. And purely for the
curious, a business machine running 3.1 was recently spotted in a
roadside cafe. And I recently came across a corporate 486 fileserving
from a tiny 120M hdd with Win95. 'Its fast but its run out of space'


Now, enough about this company... here's the antidote to their fw, a
firewall that answers every single complaint above, and is real
freeware:
http://www.zelow.no/floppyfw/index.html


NT
 
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David

I think so too. It might seem minor to the dev team, but from the end
user perspective there are several free firewalls available, and I'd
far rather install something I know will work forever with no further
mucking about. With a 1 year registration, firstly theres muck about to
get it working, then who knows what you'll do with my email address, so
its more hassle setting up a temp addy, and hoping you get a
registration response today rather than next week ot never, then you
dont really know whats going to happen in a year, maybe just a quick
re-reg, maybe have to uninstall and wish you'd put proper freeware on
there in the first place. Since ZA is a known quantity, safe,
acceptably, effective, easy to use, why would I choose to make my life
harder? I just wouldnt choose it.
[...]

Just a note here. ZoneAlarm does register itself, it just never argues
about it or requires you to visit a site. One registration and it goes
on forever.
Now, enough about this company... here's the antidote to their fw, a
firewall that answers every single complaint above, and is real
freeware:
http://www.zelow.no/floppyfw/index.html


NT

How does this compare with SmoothWall other than size?
 
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Comodo

We are going to make the next version, out very shortly a free license
forever. We will not require re-registration after 1 year. you get the
license once and thats it. We did this after listening to your
requirements in this forum. License is purely for email address, not
for h/w.
 
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meow2222

David said:
On 10 Mar 2006 08:40:58 -0800, (e-mail address removed) typed furiously:
How does this compare with SmoothWall other than size?

I really dont know. Its size and method of operation means no need for
a hdd, cd, ide, and possibly no monitor or vid card too. It will run on
under 12M if necessary.

NT
 
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David

I really dont know. Its size and method of operation means no need for
a hdd, cd, ide, and possibly no monitor or vid card too. It will run on
under 12M if necessary.

NT

Control from your browser?

Log files and other records take up space or doesn't it bother?

Smoothwall does not need video but does need HDD space. Any machine
from Pentium/'586 up will do with 32MB RAM preferred for speed.
 
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meow2222

Control from your browser?

Log files and other records take up space or doesn't it bother?

Smoothwall does not need video but does need HDD space. Any machine
from Pentium/'586 up will do with 32MB RAM preferred for speed.


I've not run it yet, but this is what I've found out so far. Floppyfw
is a minimum pc spec firewall, aimed at embedded pcs and min cost
firewall apps. All settings are done by editing a text file that
resides on the floppy. No hdd is used, and there is afaik no external
network control route. Since everything is on the one floppy, you can
forget log files, though if you have a hdd or 2nd flop it can be set to
do logging.

The floppy is OS and app in one, and is fully self contained.

I figure once the machine works there should be no need for a monitor.
Config tweaks are done by taking out the flop and text editing on
another pc. Corruption cant occur on a write protected floppy, unless
the disc itself fails, in which case inserting another flop is the
quickest option. The only need for a monitor afaics is for repair if
the pc hardware fails, and to see you've got it going ok initially.
Floppyfw is designed to be used in embedded systems with no video.

Min specs are 386 cpu, not sure about ram but I know v1 runs on under
12M. Not so much tiny-ware as tiny 'runs on half a fried 1980s
paperweight' ware. 'More than one floppy is bloatware.'


NT
 
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David

I've not run it yet, but this is what I've found out so far. Floppyfw
is a minimum pc spec firewall, aimed at embedded pcs and min cost
firewall apps. All settings are done by editing a text file that
resides on the floppy. No hdd is used, and there is afaik no external
network control route. Since everything is on the one floppy, you can
forget log files, though if you have a hdd or 2nd flop it can be set to
do logging.

The floppy is OS and app in one, and is fully self contained.

I figure once the machine works there should be no need for a monitor.
Config tweaks are done by taking out the flop and text editing on
another pc. Corruption cant occur on a write protected floppy, unless
the disc itself fails, in which case inserting another flop is the
quickest option. The only need for a monitor afaics is for repair if
the pc hardware fails, and to see you've got it going ok initially.
Floppyfw is designed to be used in embedded systems with no video.

Min specs are 386 cpu, not sure about ram but I know v1 runs on under
12M. Not so much tiny-ware as tiny 'runs on half a fried 1980s
paperweight' ware. 'More than one floppy is bloatware.'


NT

Thanks.
 
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Aaron

We are going to make the next version, out very shortly a free license
forever. We will not require re-registration after 1 year. you get the
license once and thats it. We did this after listening to your
requirements in this forum. License is purely for email address, not
for h/w.

You know the only thing I want to know now is, when is the damn thing out?
Seems to be a lot of advertising for something that isn't available yet.
 
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Dave

Aaron said:
You know the only thing I want to know now is, when is the damn thing out?
Seems to be a lot of advertising for something that isn't available yet.
I just tried CPF and besides a 17 mb download(yikes) took about 29-34 mb
resources. Liked the options and controls but hard to throw away tiny
little Kerio 2.1.5 for this firewall.

Dave
 
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Craig

Dave said:
I just tried CPF and besides a 17 mb download(yikes) took about 29-34 mb
resources. Liked the options and controls but hard to throw away tiny
little Kerio 2.1.5 for this firewall.

Dave

Dave;

What's the version of CPF that you'd tried? If it's 2.x that's the
version we've been waiting for. If it ain't, well...guess I'll just
keep on waiting.

-Craig
 
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Dave

Craig said:
Dave wrote:


Dave;

What's the version of CPF that you'd tried? If it's 2.x that's the
version we've been waiting for. If it ain't, well...guess I'll just
keep on waiting.

-Craig

No this was a 1.x version but it was 17 mb from their website and just
11.5 mb from download.com. I think the difference is the one I got from
their site has that "extra goody" -the Comodo Launch Pad(similar to
McAfee's Security Center)All I want is a firewall, not the extras.

Dave
 
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Craig

Dave said:
No this was a 1.x version but it was 17 mb from their website and just
11.5 mb from download.com. I think the difference is the one I got from
their site has that "extra goody" -the Comodo Launch Pad(similar to
McAfee's Security Center)All I want is a firewall, not the extras.

Dave

Thanks for the update. Yea, I'm not looking forward to the "launch
pad." I've seen too many failures (McAfee & Symantec) but, maybe
they'll get the concept right.

I'll be giving 2.x a test-drive when available. I'll post back here.

-Craig
 
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Comodo

Hopefully by end of the month we will have the CPF 2 out.
I have it installed on my machine and works like magic :) (not the
public version but the dev version) more logging, more protection and
the only one that passes all the leak tests. Just waiting for all the
launch stuff to be finalised between marketing and technical so that we
can make it available to public :)

Melih
 
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Comodo

Dave

None of the "extra goodies" are installed by default, they are all
available for you to download and install, but its all user dependant.
We don't decide on your behalf, you do! You choose what you want
downloaded and installed.

Melih
 
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Comodo

Craig

Please let us know how we can improve our offering. We are, as you
know, always looking for feedback from our users. We have made the
Comodo LaunchPad so that all of the applications (like Backup, Ivault,
Free email certificates etc) are available to you for you to downloand
and install but never installed or downloaded unless the user goes
ahead and downloads them. So for example, if you only download and
install Personal Firewall, thats all you will get. yes Comodo Launchpad
(just a bit of GUI) will also show you what else is available.

thanks
Melih
 
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Dave

Comodo said:
Dave

None of the "extra goodies" are installed by default, they are all
available for you to download and install, but its all user dependant.
We don't decide on your behalf, you do! You choose what you want
downloaded and installed.

Melih
The Launch Pad itself is what I consider an extra that I don't need. I
didn't see any option to install just the firewall without the Launch Pad.

Dave
 

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