Cooler utility: incorrect Pricelessware claim

[Dennis Roark]

Pricelessware 2003 makes this false claim in its description of cpu
cooler uitility Rain:

Rain (freeware) OS: Win9x/ME (NT/2000/XP do not need coolers)

It is not true that on an AMD chip, including the latest XP+ Tbred, that
the chips don't benefit from a cooler utility. I use VCool 1.8beta10
under XP Home with an AMD XP 1700+ and it drops the cpu temps nearly 10
C when the chip is idling. About the same drop that one finds in Win98.
I don't know whether Rain does this or not, but the Stop bit needs
enabling still in XP with AMD chips and Via chipsets. Visiting the
VCool site recently, I see that the next version of VCool, still in
alpha and not ready to use, will also cool cpu's installed on the NForce
chipset boards. I have used VCool on Win XP for two years, and it
certainly does help. That statement in paretheses should be pulled.
And possibly VCool should be linked to as an alternative cooler,
superior in my opinion.
--
Dennis Roark

(e-mail address removed)
Starting Points:
www.home.earthlink.net/~denro

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Pricelessware 2003 makes this false claim in its description of cpu
cooler uitility Rain:

Rain (freeware) OS: Win9x/ME (NT/2000/XP do not need coolers)

It is not true that on an AMD chip, including the latest XP+ Tbred,
that the chips don't benefit from a cooler utility. I use VCool
1.8beta10 under XP Home with an AMD XP 1700+ and it drops the cpu
temps nearly 10 C when the chip is idling. About the same drop that
one finds in Win98. I don't know whether Rain does this or not, but
the Stop bit needs enabling still in XP with AMD chips and Via
chipsets. Visiting the VCool site recently, I see that the next
version of VCool, still in alpha and not ready to use, will also cool
cpu's installed on the NForce chipset boards. I have used VCool on
Win XP for two years, and it certainly does help. That statement in
paretheses should be pulled. And possibly VCool should be linked to
as an alternative cooler, superior in my opinion.

Also, I dunno about Rain, but Vcool says 98 and up (as versus 9x, in the
PW Rain writeup). I've only used Rain on 98. If these are based on the
same principle, I wonder who's right.

As for the link, though, I'd think that would have to wait until this
fall's 2004 PW voting process, where Vcool might simply hit the PW list
itself. Either it would included, or it would not -- I don't believe
there's any not-PW-but-here's-a-link category.

 

[DC]

Thanks for going to all that trouble to share your PERSONAL opinion with
the rest of the world.

But, Dennis, isn't that what this group is about?

<confused>

 

[Jason de Bougainville]

NT/2000/XP do not need coolers, genius.

Please feel free to demonstrate your ignorance anytime by using profanity to
try and obscure your limited vocabulary.

 

[DC]

But, Dennis, isn't that what this group is about?

<confused>

<piggyback>

Obviously confused, since I should have typed "Jason" instead of "Dennis".

D'oh. }%O\

 

[Susan Bugher]

Pricelessware 2003 makes this false claim in its description of cpu
cooler uitility Rain:

Rain (freeware) OS: Win9x/ME (NT/2000/XP do not need coolers)

That statement in paretheses should be pulled.
And possibly VCool should be linked to as an alternative cooler,
superior in my opinion.

Hi Dennis,

The note (NT/2000/XP do not need coolers) is present in the PW2002
description. The note was carried over to the PW2003 list. Pricelessware
descriptions are for the most part copied from the author's site. It
seems likely that that is the original source of the note.

Possibly Rain provides no benefit to users of NT/2000/XP. If that's the
case the note should be retained - although perhaps reworded.

I would be grateful for further discussion or some URLs that could clear
up the issue you have raised. Coolers are among the countless things I'm
not an expert on.

FYI re: programs on the Priclessware list. Pricelessware programs are
nominated and voted on once a year by readers of ACF.

Susan

 

[Andy Axnot]

Pricelessware 2003 makes this false claim in its description of cpu
cooler uitility Rain:

Rain (freeware) OS: Win9x/ME (NT/2000/XP do not need coolers)

It is not true that on an AMD chip, including the latest XP+ Tbred, that
the chips don't benefit from a cooler utility. I use VCool 1.8beta10
under XP Home with an AMD XP 1700+ and it drops the cpu temps nearly 10
C when the chip is idling. About the same drop that one finds in Win98.
I don't know whether Rain does this or not, but the Stop bit needs
enabling still in XP with AMD chips and Via chipsets. Visiting the
VCool site recently, I see that the next version of VCool, still in
alpha and not ready to use, will also cool cpu's installed on the NForce
chipset boards. I have used VCool on Win XP for two years, and it
certainly does help. That statement in paretheses should be pulled.
And possibly VCool should be linked to as an alternative cooler,
superior in my opinion.
--
Dennis Roark

(e-mail address removed)
Starting Points:
www.home.earthlink.net/~denro

NT/2000/XP operating systems OUGHT NOT need coolers, but there are bugs with
certain chipsets that essentially interfere with the cooling function.
VCool corrects for this, allowing the cooling to take place.

Works for me!

Andy

 

[Alastair Smeaton]

NT/2000/XP do not need coolers, genius.

Please feel free to demonstrate your ignorance anytime by using profanity to
try and obscure your limited vocabulary.

Please feel free to demonstrate your dogmatic arrogance anytime, using
your admitted proficiency in the use of the English language.

I suspect that this is what people object to.

 

[Susan Bugher]

I don't believe
there's any not-PW-but-here's-a-link category.

Ack! Perish the thought.

Susan

 

[Derald Martin]

The note (NT/2000/XP do not need coolers) is present in the PW2002
description. The note was carried over to the PW2003 list. Pricelessware
descriptions are for the most part copied from the author's site.

But his rant and its following sales pitch are pointless; it has a
false premise and mis-statement of fact apparent right there on the
screen. The statement is not and does not in any way even "almost"
_mean_, "don't benefit from", as this guy asserts. All else simply is
irrelevent.

 

[-½cut]

But his rant and its following sales pitch are pointless; it has
a
false premise and mis-statement of fact apparent right there on the
screen. The statement is not and does not in any way even "almost"
_mean_, "don't benefit from", as this guy asserts. All else simply is
irrelevent.

SO far in this thread, we've got 3 people who assert that cooling
software does actually produce results on W2K/XP and a lot of random
flaming. In the absence of an XP/W2K system to test on, I'd just delete
the:

(NT/2000/XP do not need coolers)

...bit, as this would make everybody happy and wouldn't be adding
inaccuracies.

 

[Susan Bugher]

SO far in this thread, we've got 3 people who assert that cooling
software does actually produce results on W2K/XP and a lot of random
flaming. In the absence of an XP/W2K system to test on, I'd just delete
the:
..bit, as this would make everybody happy and wouldn't be adding
inaccuracies.

The note has a purpose. It tells NT/2000/XP users not to install Rain -
it will provide no benefit.

Susan

 

[SleeperMan]

NT/2000/XP do not need coolers, genius.

IN that case please explain 10 degrees drop 15 seconds after i run CPUIdle
and 10 degrees rise 1 minute after i shut it off, wise ass! Why do you think
that CPUIdle is intended for W95/98, while CPUIdle Pro is intended for Win
NT/2000/XP? I guess author is total idiot, while you're wise guy...
You would really need to learn the difference between DO NOT need and OUGHT
not to - you should know that XP is a product from Microsoft and as such,
promises much, gives little. I guess it's just one of the bugs, this ought
to cool itself down. Not here, mate.

 

[-½cut]

The note has a purpose. It tells NT/2000/XP users not to install Rain -
it will provide no benefit.

Susan

Fair enough. That's me told then.
=

 

[SleeperMan]

The note has a purpose. It tells NT/2000/XP users not to install Rain
- it will provide no benefit.

^^^^^^^^
keep dreaming...

 

[SleeperMan]

I think your idea is the closest to reality so far. XP has a
designed-in 'CPU Halt' cooling system which is probably what the
original parenthetical statement was based on. This doesn't mean
however, that all chipsets can use it to maximum efficiency.
Obviously, some setups can gain another 10 degrees of cooling.
A modification of the statement that "Vcool may also provide
additional cooling benefits to NT/2000/XP."

This subject has been discussed in
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion.

BoB

If you look at program manager, you can see system idle process. I just
don't know what it's doing except eating useful resources. This item SHOULD
cool down CPU. I guess at some newest chipsets (read expensive) this even
works to the certain point. But for sure doesn't work in my PC, since
without CPUIDle i have 45-48 deg no matter if idle or play some very hard
game for several hours. Only time CPU went above 50 was when room temp was
about 32 deg (sorry---hot summer, no Air condition...maybe next summer, but
just maybe). I was playing battlefield 1942 for 3 hours and i was even
hotter than my PC...

 

[Blinky the Shark]

"-½cut" wrote:

The note has a purpose. It tells NT/2000/XP users not to install Rain
- it will provide no benefit.

Actually it implies that *no* cooling software is beneficial for
NT/200/XP. Are you saying Sleeperman's temp figures - posted elsewhere
in this thread - and another guy's report about Vcool's product are
bogus? If it's true that *Rain* is not beneficial for NT/2000/XP, and
other coolers *are*, it would be better for the disclaimer to say that
*Rain* provides no benefit for them, rather than the present blanket
statement that *nothing* is beneficial. "This doesn't" is not the same
as "nothing does".

 

[Blinky the Shark]

I think your idea is the closest to reality so far. XP has a
designed-in 'CPU Halt' cooling system which is probably what the
original parenthetical statement was based on. This doesn't mean
however, that all chipsets can use it to maximum efficiency.
Obviously, some setups can gain another 10 degrees of cooling. A
modification of the statement that "Vcool may also provide additional
cooling benefits to NT/2000/XP."

Or simply note that *Rain* (the topic of the caveat, in the first place)
doesn't provide any benefit (if this is truw), rather than the false
blanket statement that *nothing* can provide a cooling benefit. The
problem is the generalization.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Actually it implies that *no* cooling software is beneficial for
NT/200/XP. Are you saying Sleeperman's temp figures - posted elsewhere
in this thread - and another guy's report about Vcool's product are
bogus? If it's true that *Rain* is not beneficial for NT/2000/XP, and
other coolers *are*, it would be better for the disclaimer to say that
*Rain* provides no benefit for them, rather than the present blanket
statement that *nothing* is beneficial.

I don't know *if it's true etc.* is true. Perhaps:

1) all coolers are beneficial to all NT/2000/XP systems
1) all coolers except Rain are beneficial to all NT/2000/XP systems
2) some coolers are beneficial to all NT/2000/XP systems
3) all coolers are beneficial to some NT/2000/XP systems
4) some coolers are beneficial to some NT/2000/XP systems
etc. etc.

That's why I asked for more information . . .

"This doesn't" is not the same as "nothing does".

Gotta agree with that. I'd also say that one revision is better than
two.

If anyone has solid information about coolers - especially about whether
or not Rain is useful to all/some/no NT/2000/XP systems - please post
it.
I'll be happy to revise the description as needed as soon as I know what
the revision should be.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Or simply note that *Rain* (the topic of the caveat, in the first place)
doesn't provide any benefit (if this is truw), rather than the false
blanket statement that *nothing* can provide a cooling benefit. The
problem is the generalization.

The problem is the lack of information.

If anyone has solid information about coolers - especially about whether
or not Rain is useful to all/some/no NT/2000/XP systems - please post
it.
I'll be happy to revise the description as needed as soon as I know what
the revision should be.

Susan