Cheap Enclosure for 4 IDE drives?

[J. Clarke]

Actually, I do - And am unwilling to invest the time configuring
functionality I don't need.

Which.
is.
the.
point.

So instead you'll waste a lot more time configuring some kind of kluged up
contraption.

I'm sorry, but if you see configuring a server as being a more complex to
time consuming task than kluging up some kind of USB-based monstrosity then
you really do NOT know how to configure a server, no matter what you
_believe_ to be the case.

 

[d0kt0r_$73v3]

Then the USB route is a ****ed approach for that.

So can a 250G drive.

A single 250GB drive lacks the resiliency of a 80GBxN raid5 set. A raid5 set
can tolerate an inevitable drive failure - A single 250GB drive can't.


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[Rod Speed]

A single 250GB drive lacks the resiliency of a 80GBxN raid5 set. A
raid5 set can tolerate an inevitable drive failure - A single 250GB
drive can't.

Duh.

 

[hym3n_h0l0c4$t]

Duh.

Duh yourself. The 250 drive was your own crappy suggestion.


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[Rod Speed]

Duh yourself. The 250 drive was your own crappy suggestion.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out from the
thread that if he does want raid5, the collosal kludge of attempting it
with individual USB bridges per drive is a completely silly way to do that.

And you dont need raid5 in a BACKUP POOL anyway.

Now get back in your cage.

 

[h1dd3n_h4m$73r]

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out from the
thread that if he does want raid5, the collosal kludge of attempting it
with individual USB bridges per drive is a completely silly way to do that.

Not at all, given "his" constraints.

And you dont need raid5 in a BACKUP POOL anyway.

That's a judgement call, based on the value of the data.




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[J. Clarke]

Not at all, given "his" constraints.


That's a judgement call, based on the value of the data.

Actually, unless one needs to span two drives to get space for a single
backup, for backup you're better off having multiple independent backup
drives and removing them when not in use, so that you're using them in the
same general way that tapes are used. Having an array online for backup
makes it difficult to maintain isolated generations--something that kills
one backup may kill them all.

 

[7h3_n3ck_r0m4nc3r]

Actually, unless one needs to span two drives to get space for a single
backup, for backup you're better off having multiple independent backup
drives and removing them when not in use, so that you're using them in the
same general way that tapes are used. Having an array online for backup
makes it difficult to maintain isolated generations--something that kills
one backup may kill them all.

Very valid point.

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[Rod Speed]

Not at all, given "his" constraints.

Thanks for that completely superfluous
proof that you've never ever had a ****ing clue.

'his constraints' are completely stupid.

That's a judgement call, based on the value of the data.

Nope. That pool is ALREADY A BACKUP, stupid.

 

[m3nn0_s4r]

Nope. That pool is ALREADY A BACKUP, stupid.

That's obvious.

You're a nasty one, arncha?


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[Rod Speed]

That's obvious.

So it aint a judgement call, stupid.

You're a nasty one, arncha?

I just dump on terminal ****wits like you.

 

[_B]

I've got 4 80GB Drives that I'd like to redeploy in my house, but my
existing computers don't have any free IDE connexions, PCI slots, or drive
bays. I also don't want to create another complete PC in my house.

I've seen some IDE-raid enclosures, but they are all prohibitively expensive.

I've seen IDE->USB adapters cheap on Ebay (~$12 each). I'm thinking I could
grab 4 of these, connect my drives to a hub, and place them all in a small
PC tower, and connect the hub to one of my computers. It wouldn't be
pretty, but it would be fairly inexpensive.

Given the capacity of the drives and the cheapness of new 300GB drives
($130 or so when you find a deal, even for new Seagates), you may end
up paying more than it's worth for the USB adaptors or enclosures. On
the other hand, you could use those for mostly-offline stuff. In that
case, you could hand-unplug instead of trying a hub (a bottleneck, as
someone mentioned). They may not have that much runtime left anyway.
I know my Maxtors, vintage 2-3 years are croaking en masse.

Also, RAID 0 won't make anything more reliable. You could RAID-5 the
whole bunch of them. USB 2.0 won't keep up with the speed, but at
least you'd have one large volume and you'd be able to tolerate one
drive failure at a time.

Having said all of that, I think Lacie may make some kind of Raid'd
USB enclosure. They had an external 500GB box, and I don't know how
else you'd get there.

There's also a server-type box made by Buffalo. Way beyond the call
for this type of thing, but it's a network connect, so it should be
speedy.

Interesting comments by others in this thread who recommend using an
old PC as a pseudo-network-server. I was actually considering doing
this with some old 120GBs and a couple retired 3Ware Raid controllers.
You could probably get 6000-series 3Ware controllers on Ebay for cheap
and hook them up as Raid 5. That is, if you have an extra computer
and/or if you're already running a network.

 

[_B]

I already have several higher-capacity drives. I'm looking to create a
poor man's JBOD, and raid-5 it. 80GB extra is useless to me... but 240GB
or more can be used as a backup pool. As 80GB drives get cheaper and
cheaper, it will be pennies to extend my existing raid 5 set.

Run the cable out to the garage so it doesn't make too much noise <g>

 

[l3gl3$$_m4r1n3]

So it aint a judgement call, stupid.

I just dump on terminal ****wits like you.

Whatever makes you feel better...



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[Rod Speed]

[email protected] wrote

Whatever makes you feel better...

Its what makes terminal ****wits like you feel worse, actually.

That's clearly working.

 

[cuddles]

Its what makes terminal ****wits like you feel worse, actually.

Aspiring to make others feel worse isn't a healthy way to live life.



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[Dice]

Aspiring to make others feel worse isn't a healthy way to live life.

I don't know why you are bothering Dan, Rod obviously doesn't know his
ass from page eight, and is nothing more than a argumentative twit. He
is just like Jon Pike, better to just ignore him, completely.

 

[l3gl3$$_m4r1n3]

I don't know why you are bothering Dan, Rod obviously doesn't know his
ass from page eight, and is nothing more than a argumentative twit. He
is just like Jon Pike, better to just ignore him, completely.

Dice... I just clued into who you are. Didn't know you were still around.

BTW, I'd love to get together for a pint before the summer's out.


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[Rod Speed]

Aspiring to make others feel worse isn't a healthy way to live life.

Wrong. As always.

 

[Helper Monkey Assault Squad 7]

Wrong. As always.

Is that your sig, or just very succinct disclaimer?