Can't delete temp files

[Dudley Henriques]

Just in case you get back here in the morning; here's the exact deal on the
temp folders.
The temp folder with the ~DF files in it is the one at C/documents and
settings/dudley henriques/local settings/temp.
The other one I believe you are mentioning is at C/windows/temp. That one is
clean.
I believe the one Disk Cleanup (yes, that was what I meant cleans is the
first one in doc/settings.
Anyway, I guess the only way to clean the temp folder without additional
software is to use Disk Cleanup and catch the ~DF files every week as I
think that folder by default empties using Disk Cleanup if the files are a
week old.
I'll check that auto delete and see what develops.
Dudley

 

[Antioch]

Good morning Dudley
Oh that is a relief - I think I must have confused me more than you.
As I read your reply below - yes they are the two main ones.
The windows one, which you say is clear, I think only seems to get entries
when something new has been done - but do not quote me - in any case I have
yet to see anyone complain about that getting bloated.
Its that other one - %temp% - thats the 'funny one'.
OK - monitor that folder - dont Disk Cleanup and give it more than a week to
see what is happening. The more you switch off and on your system, if it
is misbehaving then further entries will be made each time. The 7 day rule
will also be tested.
Lets see if you get a bundle, then try a Disk Cleanup to see if it touches
any.
If you have a printscreen - I have taken a shot after each start-up, just
for my records and monitor anything different.
Which ever way, I would like to hear from you with an updated thread - I can
then add your experiences to mine and others.
If all what should happen does not, then its a hand job re deleting at
regular intervals.
Good night to you
Rgds
Antioch

 

[Antioch]

You're probably right about the AV program. I've never used CA, so that's
not the one creating the files on my machine. I could also be mistaken
about the creator being ZA or S/M, but it is one of the utility-type
programs that runs at startup. Some time back, probably a year or more, I
went through the process of stopping each start-up program and was able to
stop those ~DF* files, but I remember needing the utility and decided the
temp files didn't create a problem.

Hi Cooter
So you are one of those who has this %temp% growing on bootup/switch-on -
have you let it build-up to see if Disk Cleaner does remove any of the
folders or files.
If you are, would you mind letting it grow for a couple of weeks and then
try Dick Cleanup, and let me know, back here.
I dont know how much of this thread and my other you have read, but the
strange thing now with my %temp% is that there are never more than two items
after boot/start, and when I switch off and on again, there are one or two
new ones???
So I cannot get a build up test with Disk Cleaner.
I had left it alone for nearly a month and knew there were 300-400 items in
there. Well that was until three days before the Sept Black Tuesday
updates, which was the last time I looked.
Then two days after the updates, I went in to clean it and they had all gone
bar one.
I cannot find anything in those last updates that might explain this.
No one seems to know how/why/what happened.
Rgds
Antioch

 

[jmatt]

If you would like some links to how to post etc, let me know Rgds and good-night.

Thanks, after seven years of posting & avoiding, argumentative,
egotisical, bombastic ( what a waste of energy ) posting, watched the
rants & raves about top or bottom posting & do not repost all of the
info in the post, comments, I am always quite happy to learn something
new.

I do my posting via Google & respond this way.
Click on > Show Options > Reply.

http://groups.google.com/group/micr...s/browse_thread/thread/a9642199d0db4ba0?hl=en

1st line, I put the person I am responding to.
2nd line has the subject matter.

As per the link, my posting looks to be OK, but if that can be
improved, great.

All the best, John.

 

[Dudley Henriques]

I'll try that and post back in a week.
Also, someone on an antivirus froup isolated the files for me. He said they
are definately associated with my CA Antivirus program. He has the program
also and verified.
So at least we know they are being created by Computer Associates Antivirus,
which is good to know. Now I can find out from CA what the story is.
Dudley

 

[Antioch]

Thanks, after seven years of posting & avoiding, argumentative,
egotisical, bombastic ( what a waste of energy ) posting, watched the
rants & raves about top or bottom posting & do not repost all of the
info in the post, comments, I am always quite happy to learn something
new.

I do my posting via Google & respond this way.
Click on > Show Options > Reply.

http://groups.google.com/group/micr...s/browse_thread/thread/a9642199d0db4ba0?hl=en

1st line, I put the person I am responding to.
2nd line has the subject matter.

As per the link, my posting looks to be OK, but if that can be
improved, great.

All the best, John.

John
Top/bottom/on the side - I am not worried about - each to their own, and in
these newsgroups there seems less of a top/bottom posting issue than others
I have put my toe into.
For long and involved threads, bottom posting is best as it makes a thread
easier to follow - but what is most annoying, is when only parts of a post
are replied to, and there is no contextualising/snipping.
Also in this sort of thread, when contextualising is done, I think it is
important that the person to whom you are responding is clearly named and
that what they said is left so that a reader can see to what the replies are
being directed.
That was all I was trying to point out to you.
You quoted a poster as saying something he didnt say - which was in fact a
reply from you, It just caused confusion.
In fact you did this twice - reading the other message one had no idea to
whom or from whom it was addressed.
Add in a rather involved thread, where dear old Dudley always 'tops', it
does not help when another poster pops in with no initial reference to realy
indicate if he is replying to this thread/poster or what.
There is no other issue re your posting that I have.
The rest of your observations - yes that happens - its fun living on 'the
edge' so to speak ;-) ;-)
Rgds
Antioch

 

[Antioch]

Look forward to hearing from you in a week or two.
Rgds
Antioch

 

[jmatt]

Antioch wrote:
Sorry Antioch, have no idea how to improve my posts, from what you just
said, once again here is the link for what I see at my end using
Google, not that easy to read.
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...read/a9642199d0db4ba0/bf5111b7bebf604c?hl=en&

If you want, you can send me screenshots of what you see at your end.
(e-mail address removed)

Cheers, John.

 

[antioch]

Antioch wrote:
Sorry Antioch, have no idea how to improve my posts, from what you just
said, once again here is the link for what I see at my end using
Google, not that easy to read.
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...read/a9642199d0db4ba0/bf5111b7bebf604c?hl=en&

If you want, you can send me screenshots of what you see at your end.
(e-mail address removed)

Cheers, John.

Hi John
I have looked at your links and can see there what I can see here in the
newsgroup-but I do not use the web base interface so not familiar with the
way they flow in the messages. Tried them once - didn't like it so went
over to newsreaders. Its so much quicker and easier.

Below is first example -
My Question is - What did Dudley write????
If he did write all that is below this heading there are no >>>> to indicate
you are quoting what he wrote.
Did you delete them with contextualising????
There is nothing there so it is hard to know to which one of Dudley's post
you are replying.
It also helps to address the person to whom you are responding.
And you did not sign-off at the end of your post.

{Copied as seen}
Dudley Henriques wrote:

To demonstrate how computers have undeleteable tmp's ( because of
programs running in the background ) here are screenshots on mine after
running EasyCleaner.
If I stopped those programs running, they would all be deleteable.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3466/easycleanerscanresultskd5.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1068/easycleanerscanresults1xb4.jpg

EasyCleaner Windows 95/98/ME/NT 3.51 (or newer) /2000/XP
http://personal.inet.fi/business/toniarts
http://personal.inet.fi/business/toniarts/ecleane.htm
Use the Updates button, before using. Checks you have the latest
version & blacklist.
1: Click on Unnecessary.
I tick > Normal types, Extra types & Temp directories.
If you try & remove a file that is being used, it will after about a 15
second delay, inform you so & will not delete.
2: Now click on Registry & run.
Don't use Duplicate files unless you really know what your'e doing.

{End of copy}

Second example -
Again no >>>by Dudley's quote, so difficult to tell where his quote ends and
your reply begins - Hi Dudley or just Dudley would have helped.
Poor contextualising again perhaps.

{Copied as seen}

Dudley Henriques wrote:
I've written them a note asking about this. Perhaps this is the answer.

Just for the purpose of the exercise, shut it down, right click on it
down next to the clock & if you can do your deletions, you know which
program they belong to.

Reboot & they will be recreated with new numbers.

Autostart Viewer
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/index.php?page=asviewer
Win95/98/ME/NT/2K/XP
When you start Windows, dozens of programs are already running - many
of them invisible and running in the background. What are these
programs? Why are they running? Are they safe to run, or are any of
them trojans?
Autostart Viewer allows you to see every autostart on your system, all
on the one screen. In addition, it gives you complete control over the
autostart references, and allows you to modify or delete them at will.

Below are the general guides by which most who use ngs post and quote.


There are very good reasons for using the recommended newsgroup quoting
style. It has to do with making it easy for others to understand what you
are talking about when you post a reply to anything by placing your comments
into context.

1) If you do not quote at all in a reply you leave the reader guessing
at what you are replying to.

2) If you quote the entire message but then post your reply above or
below the message you are responding to, and the message happens to be very
long and cover a lot of topics of discussion, again you leave the
reader guessing as to what part of the message your reply was for.
This is why you should put your replies into context.
4) Newsgroup quoting styles have been in use now for well over 20 years,
they are very well understood and accepted quoting practices among those who
participate in newsgroup threaded discussions. Because of that, if you
choose for whatever reason to not follow these accepted practices, then you
invite criticism. Quite often people who fail to follow accepted practices
in threaded discussions and choose to ignore request to start doing so, will
eventually be ignored completely and/or not taken seriously.

5) It's bad form to quote the entire message of an OP (Original Poster)
especially so if that message is more than just a few lines in length,
unless you are doing a point by point response to the message and properly
contextualizing your responses as you go. You should [snip] any comments you
are not responding to.

6) Address the person to whom you are replying and sign off at the end of
your post.

I am aware that odd things can happen when web interface messages are put
into the newsgroups - the whys and wherefores I do not know.
I hope this has helped to explain my previous posts.
Sorry if I appeared to be giving you a lecture - others would have given you
a good 'flaming
Rgds
Antioch

 

[jmatt]

1) If you do not quote at all in a reply you leave the reader guessing
at what you are replying to.

I am quoting.

5) It's bad form to quote the entire message of an OP (Original Poster)
especially so if that message is more than just a few lines in length,
unless you are doing a point by point response to the message and properly
contextualizing your responses as you go. You should [snip] any comments you
are not responding to.

I am sniping.

Sorry if I appeared to be giving you a lecture - others would have given you
a good 'flaming

You are the only one in 7 years, maybe your settings are wrong.

Cheers, John.

 

[antioch]

1) If you do not quote at all in a reply you leave the reader guessing
at what you are replying to.

I am quoting.

5) It's bad form to quote the entire message of an OP (Original Poster)
especially so if that message is more than just a few lines in length,
unless you are doing a point by point response to the message and
properly
contextualizing your responses as you go. You should [snip] any comments
you
are not responding to.

I am sniping.

Sorry if I appeared to be giving you a lecture - others would have given
you
a good 'flaming

You are the only one in 7 years, maybe your settings are wrong.

Cheers, John.

Hi John
Well done - you have got the idea. Very easy to follow inlike some of the
previous.
7 years in the web interface wilderness
That is too long.
Rgds
Antioch

 

[antioch]

I have the following files in my temp folder.
~DF7C08.tmp
~DF372C.tmp
~DF7445.tmp

I can't delete these for love nor money. They keep coming up telling me
that they are in use by another program and that I should shut down the
program and try again.
I've checked everything I can think of to isolate these 3 files with no
luck. I have no idea what program they are associated with or even if
something in the start menu is creating them each time I boot the system.
Can someone shed some light on this and perhaps tell me what these 3 files
are and how to delete them?
Thanks much
Dudley

Dudley
If you have the time, have a look at Ramesh's site at the link below - see
if you can agree with what he says should happen with this %temp% OR
%temp% - both are the same.
Its bedtime here across the small pond - try and catch up with things later.

http://windowsxp.mvps.org/cleantemp.htm

Rgds
Antioch

 

[Ron P]

Thanks Cooter. I don't have Zone Alarm on the computer, but I do have just
downloaded and installed the newest version of my AntiVirus program (CA
AntiVirus from Computer Associates). These files just might be part of
their new engine. I've written them a note asking about this. Perhaps this
is the answer.
I have noticed that I show details, I can select and delete all but those
created (today), which would indicate since the AV seems to be the only
program running in the background, that they are associated.
If this thinking jives with you, let me know will you please?
Thanks
Dudley

I have just upgraded my CA AntiVirus from Computer Associates also and these
are temporary files created by that upgraded version.

I have also contacted CA about this and they suggested running a program
called "Cleanup" available here
http://www.stevengould.org/software/cleanup/ . It cleans up all temporary
files but I think that it is rather bad coding on CA's part to not clean up
after themselves.