building hierachical network on w2k Professional?

[Guest]

To buil a smal three-computers hierachical home network, do I need w2k
Server (or NT4 Server), or it is possible to do it with w2k Professional and
w98/wME ?

 

[Herb Martin]

To buil a smal three-computers hierachical home network, do I need w2k
Server (or NT4 Server), or it is possible to do it with w2k Professional and
w98/wME ?

What do you mean by "hierarchical network" ? Most hear understand the terms
but likely use it in a technical way quite different from what you likely
intend (there
are no "hierarchical" networks COMMONLY in use at home these days.)

You can build a peer network with a simple "hub" or Ethernet 10/100 megabit
"switch" and a few drop cables.

You can build a ROUTED network with a server, two nics, and a pair of
"crossover
cables" but the previous solution is as cheap and more flexible.

You can build a peer network and route (with translation) using the hub and
even
a Win98 box as the ICS (internet connection sharing) machine to the
Internet.

 

[Guest]

Thanks,
I mean intranet with one computer working as a webserver/file server and
printer server
Also I am interested every login be given an email address.
For the moment I have a single address which is usable from every computer

 

[Herb Martin]

Thanks,
I mean intranet with one computer working as a webserver/file server and
printer server

Just set up a PEER network and use the built-in file client or IE to access
the
website on the server.

You plug all of the machines into the same hub.

Also I am interested every login be given an email address.

Doesn't work this way, unless you create a domain, and even then it probably
doesn't work this way <grin>

You need an EMail server for this last to work (and it still probably won't
be
automated unless you use Exchange with Active Directory integration which is
likely beyond you at the moment based on the question and small size of your
network -- Exchange is expensive.)

For the moment I have a single address which is usable from every computer

Are you talking about "single address on the Internet"?

If so, you do it this way:

ISP----NAT/ICS---other machines

The NAT/ICS and the other machines are all plugged into the same hub.

The NAT/ICS is plugged into the connection to your ISP using a SEPARATE NIC
or using dialup with a modem.

NAT is a feature of Win2000+ Server (only) and ICS is a feature of all the
Win98+
and Win2000+ machines (pro and server).

They both do NEARLY the same thing; ICS is easier, but much less
configurable and
so usually harder in the long run -- but generally free since more of the OS
types include it.

 

[Guest]

Thanks, Herb, for the most detailed reply.

First of all, I did get to this networking exercise not because I badly need
a network, but because I am just interesting to learn it. Therefore I would
like to try a hiearchical network just for the sake of doing it.
I have an old version of Exchange which shopuld be sufficient for my
objective.

1. Just set up a PEER network and use the built-in file client or IE to
access

the website on the server.

But in PEER there is no server? Or you mean tha every PC could serve as a
server?

2. > You plug all of the machines into the same hub.

That's what I aleady have

3. Doesn't work this way, unless you create a domain

What prevents me from creating a domain? Can I do it without w2k Server ?

4.For the moment I have a single address which is usable from every computer

Are you talking about "single address on the Internet"?

I mean an e-mail address. For the mpment if I have two computers on, emails
migh come on either computer, depending on which computer I run
Tools-Receive

5. > If so, you do it this way:

ISP----NAT/ICS---other machines

Where and how exactly do I do this?

 

[Herb Martin]

But in PEER there is no server? Or you mean tha every PC could serve as a

server?

No, you are talking about the server model -- in peer servers all of the
computers
can be servers -- in Windows this isn't an issue because by nation all
NT-class
machine are both servers and clients -- they all have both the workstation
and
the server service running.

When referring to the network itself (the infracture for transmission of
data),
hierarchical has a special meaning.

IF you want to use the "Server model" for you service, just ignore the fact
that
the workstations can do this too. <grin>

The physical networking is still going to be peer based because you will be
using
Ethernet which is inherently this way.

You are making a distinction that just isn't useful for what you are doing
or even
what you hope to learn.

What prevents me from creating a domain? Can I do it without w2k Server ?

Absolutely, but this won't get you email by itself.

That's what I aleady have

Then you already have a network -- presuming you configure the machines,
protocols,
and likely the IP addresses correctly it will work.

I mean an e-mail address. For the mpment if I have two computers on, emails
migh come on either computer, depending on which computer I run
Tools-Receive

The easiest way to get "email" addresses for each machine it to use hotmail
or
a similar (free) service. I actually do this for all of my servers so that
I can run
Outlook Express and send email between them even when I am not "sitting
there"
or from them if I am physically at a machine.

5. > If so, you do it this way:

Where and how exactly do I do this?

Well, you have the hub. How are you connected to the Internet? If it is
dial-up then
you go into the network properties of the dial machine and "share" that
dial-up connection.

If you have cable or DSL, then hopefully you have a second NIC, and you
"Share it" just
like you would a dial-up.

With ICS (pro or Server) you get an AUTOMATIC DHCP server for the other (2)
machines.

With NAT, configured ONLY on Server in RRAS, you decide if and how you want
the DHCP
server configured but it is pretty easy. (Hint: Hit help, try it, ask
specific questions.)

 

[Guest]

The easiest way to get "email" addresses for each machine it to use hotmail
or a similar (free) service

You mean these which can be accessable via browser, can be downladed via,
say, OE?
How shall I know their POP3/SMTP details to set my mail program?
I have an account with Yahoo and I cauold not find this data on their
website.
I guessed mail.yahoo.com and this did not work

 

[Herb Martin]

The easiest way to get "email" addresses for each machine it to use
hotmail

or a similar (free) service

You mean these which can be accessable via browser, can be downladed via,
say, OE?
Yes.

How shall I know their POP3/SMTP details to set my mail program?

You still use your CURRENT "outgoing SMTP" server setting generally,
and Outlook Express knows how to download Hotmail as a type so you
just specify that as INCOMING rather than a Pop server.

I have an account with Yahoo and I cauold not find this data on their
website.

I don't Outlook Express understands Yahoo -- you can also use Netscape
and THEIR free emails. For Yahoo (and even Hotmail) you can always use
the HTML version too.

I guessed mail.yahoo.com and this did not work

--
Herb Martin

as

a

No, you are talking about the server model -- in peer servers all of the
computers
can be servers -- in Windows this isn't an issue because by nation all
NT-class
machine are both servers and clients -- they all have both the workstation
and
the server service running.

When referring to the network itself (the infracture for transmission of
data),
hierarchical has a special meaning.

IF you want to use the "Server model" for you service, just ignore the fact
that
the workstations can do this too. <grin>

The physical networking is still going to be peer based because you will be
using
Ethernet which is inherently this way.

You are making a distinction that just isn't useful for what you are doing
or even
what you hope to learn.

Server

 

[Guest]

Sorry, Herb, I do not think I am understanding you.
Could we do it step-by-step:

1. In OE I do need to set up a separate mail account to receive Hotmail.com
(or Yahoo.com) emails, do not I?
2. Then what exactly do I enter in the Srevers tab:

My incoming mail server is _____
Incoming mail (POP3):
Outgoing mail (SMTP):

3. "Outlook Express knows how to download Hotmail as a type"

What does "download Hotmail as a type" mean ?

The easiest way to get "email" addresses for each machine it to use hotmail
or a similar (free) service

You mean these which can be accessable via browser, can be downladed via,
say, OE?
Yes.

How shall I know their POP3/SMTP details to set my mail program?

You still use your CURRENT "outgoing SMTP" server setting generally,
and Outlook Express knows how to download Hotmail as a type so you
just specify that as INCOMING rather than a Pop server.

I have an account with Yahoo and I cauold not find this data on their
website.

I don't Outlook Express understands Yahoo -- you can also use Netscape
and THEIR free emails. For Yahoo (and even Hotmail) you can always use
the HTML version too.

I guessed mail.yahoo.com and this did not work

 

[Herb Martin]

Pull down the POP3 incoming email server TYPE; one of the choices is HTTP.
Use that for Hotmail, maybe for Yahoo even.

I have tested if with Hotmail.

 

[Guest]

Where do I pull it down from?

On the Servers tan it is not pullable and it cannot be altered there

 

[Herb Martin]

When you make a NEW Email account in Outlook Express.

 

[Guest]

Thanks -I was trying to modify my Yahoo accoiunt I set up yesterday. Now I
see I need to delete it and creat again.

I still cannot understnds the folllowing:

"You still use your CURRENT "outgoing SMTP" server setting generally,
and Outlook Express knows how to download Hotmail as a type so you
just specify that as INCOMING rather than a Pop server"

When I selected HTTP server I am offered to fill in
Incoming mail (POP3, IMAP,HTTP) server.

What am I supposed to enter in there? I tried to experiment and every time I
get a message:
Enter a valid HTTP server.
What is a valid HTTP server and where do I get it from?


2. For Yahoo (and even Hotmail) you can always use the HTML version too.
Do you mean I can access it via browser?

 

[Herb Martin]

Most of the time it is best to SEND mail through you outgoing email (SMTP)
server rather than these "HTML" services. You might have a choice though.

 

[Guest]

Sorry, Herb, are you answering my previous question or you are continuing
your previous remark?

 

[Herb Martin]

Sorry, Herb, are you answering my previous question or you are continuing
your previous remark?

I don't know if you don't know.

 

[Guest]

That's what I thought. Thanks, anyway.

I don't know if you don't know.