Bootup Issue in Vista

[Guest]

Booting up with Vista is a strange experience and I have a comment/suggestion.

After I logon to my user account, the desktop appears, seemingly everything
is ready to go. But, in reality, Windows is busy chugging along in the
background, which is understandable. I have a new lapttop with plenty of
memory and 2 processors, so I don't have to wait long, but I DO have to wait
before I do anything. I have to wait for almost a full minute before I start
clicking around BECAUSE:

After Windows is done chugging around for awhile, the desktop goes
completely black for an instant, then it is redrawn AND the mouse pointer
snaps to the center of the screen.

Something similar used to happen back in Windows 98. After the user's
desktop appeared and Windows chugged for awhile, the desktop icons would
disappear and then be redrawn.

What is it with you guys, why can't you get a handle on the whole desktop
thing man? If you're going to display it to the user and let her click around
and begin work, DON'T snap around the mouse pointer that is SO utterly lame.
How did this get past usability testing??????

Oh, and I just uninstalled a program that had installed a shortcut on the
desktop, and after I uninstalled the program, the shortcut was still
displayed on the desktop. When I attempted to delete the shortcut item, I got
a message from Windows saying it couldn't find the item!!!! And, even AFTER
that attempt, the shortcut still remained on the desktop and the mouseover
effects were still running for it, etc... Guess I have to wait for a reboot
for the desktop to repaint itself properly. Damn that's lame and a sorry
sorry bug for a system this advanced to be displaying.

I hate starting up my computer now, after I log on to my account, I have to
go do something for a few minutes to make sure that I wait for the frikkin
mouse pointer *snap*. Snaps my brain that you guys let this go by it's just
freaky.


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[Tiberius]

the pointer issue is specific to your system, since I have vista and have
not seen that reaction.. also during the time vista has been released I have
worked on many vista machines and they dont show such a thing.

TIP: you should reduce the amount of programs that start up with your pc
go start and type msconfig and press enter
go to the startup tab and disable things that you dont need..

some may be from your antivirus so dont disable those...

also from the services I would suggest you to disable Universal Plug and
Play

and SSPD Simple Service Discovery Protocol

do to this go to start and type SERVICES.MSC
and press enter... right click on those services and select disable,
restart the PC

disabling those will make your computer start faster

 

[Chad Harris]

Hi Victor--

Darrell Gorter [MSFT] a frequent contributor here has startup expertise and
the ability to perhaps help answer your questions as to the nuts and bolts
of the boot process.

I don't have any expertise on the physiology of the Vista boot process.
Sure I can give you all the detailed steps, but I don't know the answer to
why it may take that extra minute. I know my Boot to Windows is pretty
fast, but I have to wait as long as a minute to get the One Care icon to
load in the Notification area. One thing that may be of help is to try to
cut down what starts up to the bare minimum using msconfig and perhaps the
run once regristry key.

Type msconfig into the run box and see if you can eliminate things that
start by taking the checkmark out of what you don't need running when you
start. Also take a look at services and shut down some of the services that
are runinng in Vista for which you don't even have hdw and software and
probably never will. These should apply to Vista.

Control What Starts in Vista with MSCONFIG:
http://www.fixmyvista.com/content/view/14/26/

Disable services you don't need running that default start in Vista (you'll
find you don't have the hdw for some of them or the software most likely):

Vista Services*

Part One

http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Part Two

http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

Windows Vista Services Tweak Guide v1.0

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=87443


Also a tip that will help you is this info: Vista runs everything that is
in the Vista Startup Folder:

I have paraphrased this information from Woody Leohnard's excellent book:
Windows Timesaving Techniques for Dummies. Like all Woody's books, this is
very useful.

C:\ [or whatever drive or partition you parked Vista on in case you're multi
or dual booting]\Program Data\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
and

your personal startup folder C:\Users\[User Name]\App
Data\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

every time you log on or startup.

Scheduled tasks get run from the C:\Windows\Scheduled tasks folder.

Windows Defender ships with Vista. I use One Care so I don't run Defender
because One Care has it's own built in spyware detector however, hidden in
Defender is a place where you can detect what's starting up.

It's called Software Explorer.

How to use the Windows Defender Software Explorer
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/support/howto/softwareexplorer.mspx

Go to Start>All Programs>Windows Defender>Tools>Software Explorer
link>Category Drop Down Box>Startup Programs. You get a list and you can
right click each program that starts up on that list and find the source.

To prevent a program you don't want to startup, click once on the list item
and then in the lower rt. hand corner, click disable. When it asks you if
you're sure, say yes. If the program is listed twice, you have to disable
it at both locations. Don't remove the program, just disable it. This will
allow you to reverse your decision if you want to later, and if it is
malware, disabling rather than removing helps you figure how it got onto
your box in the first place.

This will keep it from running on start, but as I said above not every
program can be disabled from Defender. For some you have to hit all the
startup folders and the run once keys.

Sometimes Rundll32 is a wrapper that runs programs, and you'll have to find
the source of the program in the Defender list on the right pane to find out
where to stop one of these programs.

When you're finished with the Process Explorer list, click "X" to return to
Vista.




Although many people will say on groups that msconfig will control what
starts completely, that's just not true. Ed Bott wrote an excellent chapter
on this in his XP Inside Out and covers this admirably in his Vista Inside
Out as well (pp. 137-142).

INFO: Run, RunOnce, RunServices, RunServicesOnce and Startup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/179365


Definition of the RunOnce Keys in the Registry
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137367

Good luck,

CH

 

[Chad Harris]

Victor--

I also just noticed that typing msinfo32 into the run box will list what
starts up (using the Startup List), and it will give you the command for
reaching the program and its registry location that may be useful in another
context, but it won't give you as much info as msconfig and even more
complete info and the ability to disable them that Win Defender's Process
Explorer will as I explained before.

CH