Avast or Live Onecare?

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Buddy

Hello! What are your opinions about Avast and Live Onecare for protecting a
Vista-System? Which one is better? Do you prefer one of the two? If yes,
why? For me it is important that the SW doesn't block much resources and
that it works well with the system. I don't care so much about the topic,
that Onecare costs money and Avast is available for free (Onecare is not an
expensive tool). Money in that case is no decision criterion.

-- Buddy
 
L

Lakesidezx

I like avast!. I tried onecare back on XP and it was a problem for me with
it's firewall settings that nothing fixed except uninstalling it.

It seems that my avast virus database is updated almost daily, sometimes
multiple times a day, but I didn't have onecare installed long enough to see
if it updates it's virus definitions that often.

I notice no slow downs using avast on my vista home premie and so far (knock
on wood) it's been playing nicely with Vista.
 
B

Beck

Lakesidezx said:
I like avast!. I tried onecare back on XP and it was a problem for me with
it's firewall settings that nothing fixed except uninstalling it.

It seems that my avast virus database is updated almost daily, sometimes
multiple times a day, but I didn't have onecare installed long enough to
see if it updates it's virus definitions that often.

I notice no slow downs using avast on my vista home premie and so far
(knock on wood) it's been playing nicely with Vista.

I second Avast !
 
L

LaRoux

I run both products on different machines. Avast is definitely lighter on
the resource usage. Although One care is much less noticable than Norton or
McAfee, I can still tell when it's downloading updates. Avast on an x64
vista system is unnoticeable except for when it announces that it has
updated the virus definitions.

This only compares virus scanning. If you need any of the other tools that
OneCare has and Avast doesn't, then I would say go with OneCare.

Of course I have wondered if the level of protection is as good from Avast.
Maybe it has a smaller footprint because it does less.
 
B

Buddy

So actually Avast is better than Onecare? The additional tools from OneCare
are already existing on a Vista (Business) - machine.
 
B

Buddy

Did some other guys made few experiences with both programs? I have to set
up tonight 2 systems for friends and don't wanna let them go without a
AV-SW...!
 
L

LaRoux

If you are setting up for someone else, one big consideration might be that
Avast will continue to provide updates indefinitely while One Care will
require a subscription renewal after a year. If you use your own OneCare
account to activate the other two, when you renew, it should renew for them
too.
 
B

Buddy

LaRoux said:
If you are setting up for someone else, one big consideration might be
that Avast will continue to provide updates indefinitely while One Care
will require a subscription renewal after a year. If you use your own
OneCare account to activate the other two, when you renew, it should renew
for them too.

Yes I know - but actually the license for OneCare is not really expensive.
My friends already used on their old systems kind of software where they
also have to pay for.... I think that's not a problem.

Maybe an advantage for Onecare could be, that it is more integrated into the
system than Avast or any other SW?
 
B

Billy

Hi

I use the AVG free, which has a new build today adn has no issues with
vista. I use the windows firewall only as I am behind a router firewall too
(BTHomeHub) and await the upgraded free Zonealarm. Therefore I would not
use Onecare. I have a webroot subscription for adware.

Any help?

Billy
 
R

Rock

Buddy said:
No other opinions/experiences about the topic? I'm sitll interested in...

OneCare is one of the worst for virus detection. I use Avast, and it's
free. Other good ones for Vista are AVG (free) and NOD32 (paid but good).
I would take any of these over OneCare.
 
N

Nina DiBoy

Buddy said:
Hello! What are your opinions about Avast and Live Onecare for
protecting a Vista-System? Which one is better? Do you prefer one of the
two? If yes, why? For me it is important that the SW doesn't block much
resources and that it works well with the system. I don't care so much
about the topic, that Onecare costs money and Avast is available for
free (Onecare is not an expensive tool). Money in that case is no
decision criterion.

-- Buddy

Avast all the way. OneCare is failing it's certifications.
http://www.computerworld.com/action...leBasic&articleId=9010440&intsrc=it_blogwatch

--
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http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS CUNTS LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
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Donald McDaniel

Buddy said:
No other opinions/experiences about the topic? I'm sitll interested in...


Haven't you been reading Technical news lately? OneCare Live has been
proven to be completely ineffective in keeping a Vista machine free from
malware.

Rather than using OneCare Live, I suggest purchasing NOD32 or Trend Micro
Internet Security 2007 (you will have to download the Vista version once it
is installed and registered.)

Get NOD32 here: http://www.nod32.com
Get Trend Micro Internet Security 2007 here: http://www.trendmicro.com
 
S

SteveC

I've used OneCare for a year now and have had no problems. I have even stopped running Ad-Aware as it never finds anything any more.
Buddy said:
No other opinions/experiences about the topic? I'm sitll interested in...


Haven't you been reading Technical news lately? OneCare Live has been
proven to be completely ineffective in keeping a Vista machine free from
malware.

Rather than using OneCare Live, I suggest purchasing NOD32 or Trend Micro
Internet Security 2007 (you will have to download the Vista version once it
is installed and registered.)

Get NOD32 here: http://www.nod32.com
Get Trend Micro Internet Security 2007 here: http://www.trendmicro.com
 
S

StephenB

Donald McDaniel said:
Haven't you been reading Technical news lately? OneCare Live has been
proven to be completely ineffective in keeping a Vista machine free from
malware.
While Windows Live OneCare is not perfect and does indeed miss some malware, it
is not "completely ineffective." The news reports you are referring to are for a
test that OneCare failed less than 1%, so it was greater than 99% effective in
the tests.
Rather than using OneCare Live, I suggest purchasing NOD32 or Trend Micro
Internet Security 2007 (you will have to download the Vista version once it
is installed and registered.)
NOD32 is an excellent product. Trend Micro is also very good, however, since you
want to refer to technical news, I just read a report today that Trend
acknowledged a serious security flaw in their products today. It's patched
already, but it just goes to show - nobody's perfect.
http://esupport.trendmicro.com/support/viewxml.do?ContentID=EN-1034289

-steve
 
S

StephenB

Nina DiBoy said:

Note that OneCare passed for XP in June 06. The failure in this test was,
according to sources less than 1%.
-steve
From the VB100 site:

VB100 test procedures
A VB100 award denotes that the product in question showed, in its default mode,
100 per cent detection of In the Wild test samples and no false positives in a
selection of clean files.

For on-demand scanning of files, detection is considered to be a note in the
product log file that the file is infected or very likely so. For on-demand
scanning of boot sector viruses, a notification or log file entry is required.

For on-access scanning the matter is a little more confusing, since the best
method of testing - executing all files and using the results from this activity
- is clearly impractical. Detection is thus judged by a product denying access
to an infected file when the file is opened for writing.

For boot sector on-access scanning a visible notification or log file entry is
required. In this case denial of access is not a useful guide to detection since
the VB boot sector test floppies are all blank as far as file contents are
concerned. Since denial of access is likely to show a blank disk as the only
detectable effect, this is not particularly useful. The addition of extra files
to the disk for use in deciding whether access has been denied was decided
against, for in past testing some products were only able to detect a boot
sector virus on a floppy containing other files - a situation which would be
apparent only with the use of disks in their current state.

Products which cannot be cajoled into producing reasonable logs on demand are
checked by setting the product to delete and/or disinfect. The files are then
scanned until no more detections are present, if necessary manually noting those
files which are detected as infected but are not deleted or disinfected.
Disinfected files are removed from the test set by use of CRC checking, and
those files left in the test set are considered to be misses.

Near misses
There remains ample opportunity for products to miss detection, in our tests, of
files which they are perfectly able to detect - why? Of the many potential
answers, two are most likely. First, there are the matters of default extension
lists, a common area for failure over the years, in which products have failed
to gain VB100 awards because the default extension lists did not include
possible extensions for In the Wild viruses. In most cases these extension-based
problems are easily solved by an administrator adding extensions to the default
list. We could perform these changes prior to testing. We feel, however, that
our readers are better served if they know that they have to do this, than if we
scan all files regardless of extension.

Another example of why some products miss out on VB100 awards, is where certain
files are not scanned directly on-access. The usual assumption by the product
developers is that the files will be scanned when passed on to an application
which makes use of them. At the most common level this covers such objects as
ZIP files, which are often not scanned until unzipped and EML files, which are
not scanned until individual mails are pulled from within. From a developer's
point of view these choices make sense in that leaving objects unscanned until
use creates fewer overheads. The chance of infection on a protected machine is
not increased, since scanning will occur before code execution. Such treatment
of objects does, however lead to misses under the VB100 testing methodology.

Three chances
Each product may be tested up to three times on two different test machines.
Should any product fail to work after three attempts the testing process will be
aborted for that product.

VB100 award
A VB100 award means that a product has passed our tests, no more and no less.
The failure to attain a VB100 award is not a declaration that a product cannot
provide adequate protection in the real world if administered by a professional.
We would urge any potential customer, when looking at the VB100 record of any
software, not simply to consider passes and fails, but to read the small print
in the reviews.
 
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Nina DiBoy

StephenB said:
While Windows Live OneCare is not perfect and does indeed miss some malware, it
is not "completely ineffective." The news reports you are referring to are for a
test that OneCare failed less than 1%, so it was greater than 99% effective in
the tests.

NOD32 is an excellent product. Trend Micro is also very good, however, since you
want to refer to technical news, I just read a report today that Trend
acknowledged a serious security flaw in their products today. It's patched
already, but it just goes to show - nobody's perfect.
http://esupport.trendmicro.com/support/viewxml.do?ContentID=EN-1034289

-steve

StunGlare (OneCare) is a bite in the arse! It's failing to earn AV
certifications that all other decent AV software earns because it
actually works. OneTear (OneCare) simply put is not going to protect
Vista as well as most other AVs out there. It's more like TonWare for
the resources it uses.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS CUNTS LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
N

Nina DiBoy

StephenB said:
Note that OneCare passed for XP in June 06. The failure in this test was,
according to sources less than 1%.
-steve
From the VB100 site:

VB100 test procedures
A VB100 award denotes that the product in question showed, in its default mode,
100 per cent detection of In the Wild test samples and no false positives in a
selection of clean files.

For on-demand scanning of files, detection is considered to be a note in the
product log file that the file is infected or very likely so. For on-demand
scanning of boot sector viruses, a notification or log file entry is required.

For on-access scanning the matter is a little more confusing, since the best
method of testing - executing all files and using the results from this activity
- is clearly impractical. Detection is thus judged by a product denying access
to an infected file when the file is opened for writing.

For boot sector on-access scanning a visible notification or log file entry is
required. In this case denial of access is not a useful guide to detection since
the VB boot sector test floppies are all blank as far as file contents are
concerned. Since denial of access is likely to show a blank disk as the only
detectable effect, this is not particularly useful. The addition of extra files
to the disk for use in deciding whether access has been denied was decided
against, for in past testing some products were only able to detect a boot
sector virus on a floppy containing other files - a situation which would be
apparent only with the use of disks in their current state.

Products which cannot be cajoled into producing reasonable logs on demand are
checked by setting the product to delete and/or disinfect. The files are then
scanned until no more detections are present, if necessary manually noting those
files which are detected as infected but are not deleted or disinfected.
Disinfected files are removed from the test set by use of CRC checking, and
those files left in the test set are considered to be misses.

Near misses
There remains ample opportunity for products to miss detection, in our tests, of
files which they are perfectly able to detect - why? Of the many potential
answers, two are most likely. First, there are the matters of default extension
lists, a common area for failure over the years, in which products have failed
to gain VB100 awards because the default extension lists did not include
possible extensions for In the Wild viruses. In most cases these extension-based
problems are easily solved by an administrator adding extensions to the default
list. We could perform these changes prior to testing. We feel, however, that
our readers are better served if they know that they have to do this, than if we
scan all files regardless of extension.

Another example of why some products miss out on VB100 awards, is where certain
files are not scanned directly on-access. The usual assumption by the product
developers is that the files will be scanned when passed on to an application
which makes use of them. At the most common level this covers such objects as
ZIP files, which are often not scanned until unzipped and EML files, which are
not scanned until individual mails are pulled from within. From a developer's
point of view these choices make sense in that leaving objects unscanned until
use creates fewer overheads. The chance of infection on a protected machine is
not increased, since scanning will occur before code execution. Such treatment
of objects does, however lead to misses under the VB100 testing methodology.

Three chances
Each product may be tested up to three times on two different test machines.
Should any product fail to work after three attempts the testing process will be
aborted for that product.

VB100 award
A VB100 award means that a product has passed our tests, no more and no less.
The failure to attain a VB100 award is not a declaration that a product cannot
provide adequate protection in the real world if administered by a professional.
We would urge any potential customer, when looking at the VB100 record of any
software, not simply to consider passes and fails, but to read the small print
in the reviews.

It only takes one nasty to really screw things up. I would prefer a
proven product, not one that failed to earn certifications.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS CUNTS LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
B

Buddy

Buddy said:
Hello! What are your opinions about Avast and Live Onecare for protecting
a Vista-System? Which one is better? Do you prefer one of the two? If yes,
why? For me it is important that the SW doesn't block much resources and
that it works well with the system. I don't care so much about the topic,
that Onecare costs money and Avast is available for free (Onecare is not
an expensive tool). Money in that case is no decision criterion.

-- Buddy

I decided to use Avast and now directly the first Problems with Vista
:-(((((

Vista' security center says, that Avast Antivir is not running (but it
does) - the whole time i get an security warning to solve the problem - but
I can't solve it... Anyone else having this problems too??
 
R

Rock

I decided to use Avast and now directly the first Problems with Vista
:-(((((

Vista' security center says, that Avast Antivir is not running (but it
does) - the whole time i get an security warning to solve the problem -
but I can't solve it... Anyone else having this problems too??

Runs fine here from initial installation. What version of Avast?
 

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