Another Server won't share question

[marsha]

I have brought this server home and renamed the workgroup
to my home workgroup name. I then in order to start from scratch,
removed the file server setup and also removed the share from the data
folder making it a not share.

Then, without setting up the File Server function, I just reshared the
folder. I checked the attributes of the shared folder and it was Read Only
so I unchecked that and applied to sub-folders and files.

Strangely, when I came back to it, it was Read only again. That shouldn't
be should it??? Every time I come back to it, it is Read only.

Then I right clicked My Computer, when to manage, then Local Users and
Groups
then Users and then add and added my computer name as a user.

Then on my computer I click My Network Places. I see the Server and click
on it
and see the shared folder. But, when I click on the folder, I get the old
"Access is denied"
message.

So then on the Server, I went to My Computer, C drive and then to the Folder
I am trying to
share. I right click on it go to Properties and then Sharing tab and
permissions. Everyone is
in there and I checked all of the boxes to allow me to change data. I click
Apply/Okay.
From my computer, I try to get inside the data folder again. Once again, I
can see the Server
and the shared folder but I can't access it.

I tried restarting the Server. Once again I tried accessing the folder from
my computer with
same results. So I tried adding the Role of File Server to Server. I did
not install any of the
optional components since none seemed to apply. I use the Share a Folder
Wizard to specify
the path to the folder that I want to share. I gave users the ability to
read and write and change.
I still can't access the shared folder.

What am I doing wrong???? This is really beginning to bother me. Any help
please................

 

[marsha]

I removed the File Server Role since it appears that is for sharing a folder
to the internet.
I only want to share this data folder over the LAN.

Thanks

 

[Frankster]

First, lets clear up the terminology....

There are "Share" permissions and there are NTFS "File" permissions. The
most *restrictive* of the two are applied.

Share permissions are typically set to "Everyone" Read Write and Execute".

NTFS File permissions are typically set to be the most restrictive. These
are specified by userID (hence, needing a logon identical on the server as
on the workstation).

So, you should apply "Share" permissions to RWE to Everybody, and then,
making sure your users have an identical logon on the server as the
workstation, apply user permissions using the NTFS file permissions.

Have you done all of that?

-Frank

 

[Kurt]

Hello Marsha,

Couldn't leave it alone could you? ) This ususally happens when the
folder itself, or one or more of the subfolders - or even a file - is owned
by a different user. The "read-only" check in the box is gray, not black Are
you logging on using the same account that you used when you created the
folder? Have you renamed the computer? Try moving everything out of the
folder, or create a new share, make sure the share works by sharing a text
file or something, then copy everything back one at a time until it fails.
You may need to take ownership files and/or folders to be able to change
attributes. Make sure your account has full admin priveleges. I just went
through this when I copied a client's share data from a computer that was a
domain member to a new server in a new office where there was no domain. I
had to go in and take ownership of literally everything before I could allow
write access to the files.

....kurt

 

[Frankster]

Oh... about NTFS Write and Execute not "holding" when you return...

Make sure you are deselecting the "Inherit from parent the permission
entries that apply..." under "Security" Advanced Tab.

-Frank

 

[marsha]

First, lets clear up the terminology....

There are "Share" permissions and there are NTFS "File" permissions. The
most *restrictive* of the two are applied.

Share permissions are typically set to "Everyone" Read Write and Execute".

NTFS File permissions are typically set to be the most restrictive. These
are specified by userID (hence, needing a logon identical on the server as
on the workstation).

So, you should apply "Share" permissions to RWE to Everybody, and then,
making sure your users have an identical logon on the server as the
workstation, apply user permissions using the NTFS file permissions.

Have you done all of that?

Yes, I think so. Thanks. Any ideas?

 

[marsha]

Couldn't leave it alone could you? )

I haven't ever given up on a problem yet.

This ususally happens when the
folder itself, or one or more of the subfolders - or even a file - is owned
by a different user.

How do I tell who the owner is?? (I'm not sure what this means.)

The "read-only" check in the box is gray, not black

That true, it is gray.

Are
you logging on using the same account that you used when you created the
folder?

Hmmm, I've been through so much with the computer. I have changed the
password
but that isn't what you mean. The computer for test purposes has always
been named "server".

Have you renamed the computer? Try moving everything out of the
folder, or create a new share, make sure the share works by sharing a text
file or something, then copy everything back one at a time until it fails.

I created a new folder and copied a random text file into it. I shared it,
set Everyone
to all attributes, then went back and made sure my computer is a user with
all powers.\

I can't access that simple folder either!!!

You may need to take ownership files and/or folders to be able to change
attributes. Make sure your account has full admin priveleges.

Which account, and how??? Thanks Kurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[marsha]

One thing I didn't mention is that the way this server is setup, I have
to press ctrl-alt-del to begin. That wouldn't affect anything would it??

 

[marsha]

You may need to take ownership files and/or folders to be able to change
attributes.

I just checked again and realized that on the server I am logging on as
Administrator. Would that make a difference???

 

[marsha]

Oh... about NTFS Write and Execute not "holding" when you return...

Make sure you are deselecting the "Inherit from parent the permission
entries that apply..." under "Security" Advanced Tab.

It was selected and I just deselected it. Thanks Franster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[marsha]

Oh... about NTFS Write and Execute not "holding" when you return...

Make sure you are deselecting the "Inherit from parent the permission
entries that apply..." under "Security" Advanced Tab.

After deselecting, I tried again but still get access is denied.

 

[marsha]

Oh... about NTFS Write and Execute not "holding" when you return...

Make sure you are deselecting the "Inherit from parent the permission
entries that apply..." under "Security" Advanced Tab.

And also I should mention that the gray check is still in the read only box
when I go back and check property of either folder (even the one with only
the text file in it).

Thanks again.

 

[Kurt]

If you were logged on to the server as "administrator", created a text file
as "adminsitrator", then "administrator" should have the rights and
permissions to share the file to anyone. Once again, make sure the share
permissions are set to "Everyone - Full Control or Read/Write/Change", and
that the user you are logging onto your home computer with is duplicated on
the server and has the proper NTFS permissions to access the folder.

....kurt

 

[marsha]

If you were logged on to the server as "administrator", created a text file
as "adminsitrator", then "administrator" should have the rights and
permissions to share the file to anyone. Once again, make sure the share
permissions are set to "Everyone - Full Control or Read/Write/Change", and
that the user you are logging onto your home computer with is duplicated on
the server and has the proper NTFS permissions to access the folde

I have done all that. I also went in and found the "owner" tab and checked
and there
were two owners listed, "Administrator" and "Administrators". I selected
the singular
and made it the owner just to see what would happen. It started through all
the files
in the folder and interestingly, denied access to two. I made a note of
them and then
selected ignore so it would finish the job.

I have set the share permission to Everyone - Full Control about 25 times.
lol

I have set my computer as the user. I am a user with permissions set on the
server.

I promise I have done this. Why oh why isn't it working??? Plus, I can't
even access
the simple text file in the new folder.

But I do want to ask a question before I forget. The "File Server" service
does not need
to be turned on does it??? That is just for sharing over the internet,
right??? And since
I don't want to share over the internet but only over the LAN, I don't want
that.... right??

 

[marsha]

If you were logged on to the server as "administrator", created a text file
as "adminsitrator", then "administrator" should have the rights and
permissions to share the file to anyone. Once again, make sure the share
permissions are set to "Everyone - Full Control or Read/Write/Change", and
that the user you are logging onto your home computer with is duplicated on
the server and has the proper NTFS permissions to access the folder.

I just created using notepad a text file and save it to my documents. Once
again,
I immediately see it from my computer when using My Network Places. I click
on
the folder and it says access denied.

Let me clarify one point. When I go to My Computer on server and right
click and
then Manage and then Users and add my computer name, it is added as a User.
Since I had previously shared the folder using Everyone and granted all
privileges,
then that means I should (as a User) be able to access folder right?? Or is
there some
other way that I should grant all "User's" as a group that privilege????
I'm trying to
understand if "Everyone" applies to "User" classification. If it does, then
I give up. I have
done this so many times it is ridiculous. But I did look around with lots
of right clicks to see
if I could set the privilege for "User" to some greater extent but couldn't
find it. I am sooooo
tired of this but it has got to work,..... doesn't it??

 

[Frankster]

I have set my computer as the user.

Don't do that.

Set an actual userID as the user. And make sure that userID/pswd also exists
on the workstation. Then, logon to the workstation using that same
userID/pswd. Then try to access the share.

If you have done all of the above... I give up too LOL!

-Frank

 

[marsha]

Don't do that.

You mean I shouldn't use the computer name as the user??
Will that make a difference??

 

[Frankster]

You mean I shouldn't use the computer name as the user??
Will that make a difference??

First, we are talking NTFS file permissions here... (share permisssions are
already set to Everyone, Full, right?

I don't know where you are setting your computer name as a user, but, humor
me. Just use a regular user. Or... add users/<computer> to the access list
(this will include all "users" of that exist identically on both computers).
Still, any given user MUST have a userID/password on both boxes and you MUST
logon the workstation as that userID/password when trying to access the
share on the server. Tell me the results of this.

-Frank

 

[marsha]

First, we are talking NTFS file permissions here... (share permisssions are
already set to Everyone, Full, right?

That has been done every time.

I don't know where you are setting your computer name as a user,

When I add a user to the server, I use the computer name of the computer
trying to access the server.

but, humor
me. Just use a regular user. Or... add users/<computer> to the access

list

I have added users to the access list on the Server every time.

(this will include all "users" of that exist identically on both computers).
Still, any given user MUST have a userID/password on both boxes and you MUST
logon the workstation as that userID/password when trying to access the
share on the server.

It is the Logon that doesn't happen. When I had the server at work, the
computers that
were required to logon (and give a password) were the computers that COULD
connect
to the file. It is always the computers that just see the folder
immediately but aren't asked
to logon that can't access the folder. There is the clue and the major
problem. For some
reason, the computer is not being asked to logon.

I do think you are onto the right track and I will play with this some more.
Gotta get ready
for work.
Will report later.

 

[marsha]

Still, any given user MUST have a userID/password on both boxes and you MUST
logon the workstation as that userID/password when trying to access the
share on the server. Tell me the results of this.

Hey Frank, You are such a dear to hang with me on this. I had to try it
before I run
off to work. I get the same problem. However, last night when I created a
new user
on my computer with admin rights and then that same user on the server, it
would at
least pop up the logon dialog box which I considered progress. But when I
put in
the user/pw, it gave me the same old denied access.

Pain and despair. nice way to start the day. :-( Maybe some thought will
come
that will be something else to try.