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[RajKohli]

You say this is all about Testifying myself. Do I have that level of knowledge?

 

[VanguardLH]

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You say this is all about Testifying myself. Do I have that level of
knowledge?

I haven't bothered to review your prior posts. You know what level of
expertise you have to offer help. If there is an area in which you
have an interest, just lurk around for awhile in the appropriate
newsgroup to pick up bits of information. I've seen some folks say
they lurked for a few weeks or several months before feeling they
could help. When a topic is of interest to you, it also helps you
practice searching various sources to get information to provide the
one asking for help. Also be ready for the anarchy that is Usenet.
For staying power to remain here means having a thick-skinned ego.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Just come here to learn and help (when you can). You'd be surprised
how much information you can cull by either lurking or participating
in Usenet. Most come to ask a question and maybe answer a couple in
return for the help they got. Then they get hooked because it is a
community, an anarchy to be sure but still a community. You
shouldn't be concerned at getting a shiny MVP badge. If that is
your goal, you aren't here for the right reason(s).

Agreed. All Points.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I remember that in the year of the Vista Customer Preview Program I had over
3,000 posts to vista.general alone. That was in addition to my customary
public newsgroups and the beta program ngs.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

As one who has been an MVP in the past, you are Our Shining Light, Raj.
Best of luck to you and thank you for your help in the Community. btw, the
MVP award is based on nominations from other members of the community.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

It helps to have something usefull to say also.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

There is nothing wrong with stating to one and all that you would like to be
an MVP. I'm sure one or two folks in this ng in a position to do so will
take a serious look because you spoke up. Good luck to you.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right out with
it. Nothing at all.

 

[HeyBub]

I am a Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP) and I have the
certification which is duly signed by Mr. Bill Gates (actually scan
and printed).

You see peoples are around me, 50% of them have basic knowledge of
Windows, Office and Internet but they don't know what MICROSOFT is.
Some who knows about Microsoft and Bill Gates, they sometimes ask me
that is that Bill Gates signatures and you know what:

IT IS A: MEDAL OF HONOR: for me. Microsoft says "You are Certified
Professional".

Oh.

Pity, that.

 

[HeyBub]

I see nothing wrong with his wanting to be an MVP and coming right
out with it. Nothing at all.

Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of others is
deeply flawed.

That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a motivation,
well, that sucks.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

The MVP award is not praise, it is a designation of service to the Windows
community.

 

[Mike C#]

Pity you feel that way. Anybody who strives for the praise of others is
deeply flawed.

That might be okay, since it's the results that count; but as a
motivation, well, that sucks.

Different people are motivated by different things. Some people want money,
some people want good old fashioned recognition, others want other things.
As an example there are a lot of tech support folks at big software
companies who are willing to help you out, but if their employers stopped
giving them regular paychecks they would probably stop helping you. Some
might think that being motivated by money sucks, but most of us have to go
work for a paycheck regardless.

I don't think someone admitting that they are motivated by simple forms of
recognition is a bad thing. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else, but by
keeping the number of awards limited in number it might just make them seem
more desirable to some people. Is it planned that way? I obviously can't
say, but I couldn't fault someone for desiring a little recognition.

 

[RajKohli]

Thanks for your comments Mike. I really appreciate your thoughts.

I have a mix thoughts of like yours and VanguardLH.

As I already stated that I was here to be recognize as MVP but as time
passes I start getting more interest in helping peoples and getting more
knowledge about how I solve problems of others and what I can learn from them
too.

It is a coincidence that yesterday night I was watching a movie "The
Guardian", which was dedicated to United States Coast Guard. There was a
teacher and his best student. The teacher was there to save peoples lives and
the students was there to make new records to be recognized as best cost
guard. The student was counting how many lives he saved and the teacher was
counting how many he couldn't. The work of both of were same but the
motivation was different.

So as said by Mike, different peoples are motivated by different things. So
am I. But after watching the movie I would like to be as a Teacher. Help
others by no mean.

But as all of you know that the human change his mind accordingly. Then it
could be possible that after a year or two I will again rise the same
question. But till then I will try to remember that Teacher's role.

Colin Barnhorst, thanks to you as well and all others who supportted and
suggestted me.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

You're welcome.

Thanks for your comments Mike. I really appreciate your thoughts.

I have a mix thoughts of like yours and VanguardLH.

As I already stated that I was here to be recognize as MVP but as time
passes I start getting more interest in helping peoples and getting more
knowledge about how I solve problems of others and what I can learn from
them
too.

It is a coincidence that yesterday night I was watching a movie "The
Guardian", which was dedicated to United States Coast Guard. There was a
teacher and his best student. The teacher was there to save peoples lives
and
the students was there to make new records to be recognized as best cost
guard. The student was counting how many lives he saved and the teacher
was
counting how many he couldn't. The work of both of were same but the
motivation was different.

So as said by Mike, different peoples are motivated by different things.
So
am I. But after watching the movie I would like to be as a Teacher. Help
others by no mean.

But as all of you know that the human change his mind accordingly. Then it
could be possible that after a year or two I will again rise the same
question. But till then I will try to remember that Teacher's role.

Colin Barnhorst, thanks to you as well and all others who supportted and
suggestted me.

 

[VanguardLH]

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...

The MVP award is not praise, it is a designation of service to the
Windows community.

Then it would be forcibly endowed upon many regular participants in
absentia (i.e., without their permission to have someone endow the MVP
badge upon them). Only those that are offered (nominated) to be an
MVP get a choice but they still get a choice to refuse the badge.

I have degrees and I have multitudes of certifications but I don't
hang them on the wall. They get stuck in a file drawer. I took the
courses to learn, not to profess to the world "hey, look at me, I'm
special, look at all my awards, hey, look at me, look at me, I'm more
special than you". When I walk into an office with its walls
plastered with certs, I know that I'm in the presence of an insecure
person.

If you are willing to *remain* here only if you believe that someday
you will receive a shiny "MVP" badge to append to your moniker then
the purpose and content of your posts is suspect. Someone that spews
out thousands of superficial responses with no further follow up is
hardly MVP material. Someone that has been around for years and
submitted thousands of helpful posts where doing such has become their
daily routine isn't thinking about some nebulous badge to add to their
moniker.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Nonsense. A candidate may decline the offer.

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Then it would be forcibly endowed upon many regular participants in
absentia (i.e., without their permission to have someone endow the MVP
badge upon them). Only those that are offered (nominated) to be an MVP
get a choice but they still get a choice to refuse the badge.

I have degrees and I have multitudes of certifications but I don't hang
them on the wall. They get stuck in a file drawer. I took the courses to
learn, not to profess to the world "hey, look at me, I'm special, look at
all my awards, hey, look at me, look at me, I'm more special than you".
When I walk into an office with its walls plastered with certs, I know
that I'm in the presence of an insecure person.

If you are willing to *remain* here only if you believe that someday you
will receive a shiny "MVP" badge to append to your moniker then the
purpose and content of your posts is suspect. Someone that spews out
thousands of superficial responses with no further follow up is hardly MVP
material. Someone that has been around for years and submitted thousands
of helpful posts where doing such has become their daily routine isn't
thinking about some nebulous badge to add to their moniker.

 

[Mike C#]

If you are willing to *remain* here only if you believe that someday you
will receive a shiny "MVP" badge to append to your moniker then the
purpose and content of your posts is suspect.

Do you likewise consider information and answers provided by paid employees
to be suspect? After all, tech support staff are willing to answer your
questions only if they believe that they will receive financial compensation
for their efforts.

Do you keep track of the motivations for the millions of other people who
regularly post to these newsgroups as well? If not how do you prejudge the
purpose and content of their posts? Really the only safe way for you to go,
I think, is to classify the purpose and content of every post as "suspect".
At least until you have evidence that these people's motivations fall in
line with what you consider acceptable.

 

[VanguardLH]

Do you likewise consider information and answers provided by paid
employees to be suspect? After all, tech support staff are willing
to answer your questions only if they believe that they will receive
financial compensation for their efforts.

Do you keep track of the motivations for the millions of other
people who regularly post to these newsgroups as well? If not how
do you prejudge the purpose and content of their posts? Really the
only safe way for you to go, I think, is to classify the purpose and
content of every post as "suspect". At least until you have evidence
that these people's motivations fall in line with what you consider
acceptable.

I don't need to keep track of anyone's motivation that announces in
their post "This is why I post".

 

[Mike C#]

I don't need to keep track of anyone's motivation that announces in their
post "This is why I post".

There are a million other people who haven't provided that transparency. Do
you trust that their motivation meets your noble requirements? Out of all
the other people who post to these newsgroups, how do you decide which
information to trust when the posters don't disclose their motivation? What
if their motivation is to get recognition, but you just don't know it
because they never disclosed this fact to you? This would make their posts
suspect, would it not?

BTW, how do you know whether a poster who discloses a high-minded reason for
posting that fits with your view of the world is actually telling the truth?
If someone who claimed not to be seeking anything other than a warm, fuzzy
feeling from posting was really seeking recognition or something else,
wouldn't that make their posts suspect? How would you know you could trust
them?

It seems to me that the only information you could ever consider "not
suspect" in this system you've invented is information that you yourself
generate and post.

 

[RajKohli]

I am really impressed with your reply but do not agree with your statement.

In this world, each and every person has his own way of thinking.

Hanging certificates on wall doesn't mean that you are showing off to
others. I can state it as "the certificates on my wall encourage me to get
more of them".

and if I have a certificate that means I am increasing my knowledge as well
and what about your professional career where you need certificates first and
knowledge their after.