Adresses can not be AUTOMATICALLY retained?

A

Amedee Van Gasse

JR shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers:
Is the the "Be Nice" forum or the "Word" forum ????
John

John,

It's the "Who wants to be added to my *plonk* file today" newsgroup.

PS: I don't "forum", I "newsgroup".
NetNews/UseNet/newsgroup people (the old generation) usually have a
very different attitude compared to web/forum people (the new
generation). When a forum is an interface to a newsgroup, you mix the
two groups together. So what essentially happened here was a generation
conflict.

As always: Your Mileage May Vary(tm).

PPS: When I'm talking about old, new, generations etc you must
interpret them as metaphores. I'm not talking about age, but about
familiarity with technology and its social implications. It's possible
to have a 28 year old person in the old generation (those who live by
RFC1855 et al) and a 50 year old person in the new generation (those
who think RFC means Royal Flying Corps or Rugby Football Club). That's
the fun thing about technology: it redefines social relations as we
know them, making interaction with others more interesting.

Hey, shouldn't some sociology student somewhere out there write his
paper on this subject?
 
R

Ritter197

Now, now, THAT is nonsense. Abusive and belligerent?
I posted a surprise and disappointment that there was no easy, intuitive way
to save addresses from e-mails received.

Ritter197
 
R

Ritter197

Thanks Richard. It is a pity that in NG's some people are more interested in
finding something wrong with exact form than help.
 
R

Ritter197

I thanked you for the clear,easy to understand response by you.

I did not see that in Graham's response, but nevertheles apologized.

AND since this is a newsgroup, it is generally dicouraged to post individual
responses.

Now, can you stop. Suzanne and stick with HELPING !

That would be appreciated by many. I am sure.

Ritter197
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

My impression, though, was that most of the incivility here was coming in by
way of Usenet and almost certainly from the orphaned (and deprecated)
microsoft.public.word.general. By "here" I meant "in this thread," but when
I switched to "Show All Messages," I was surprised to discover that "this
thread" was not the one I thought it was, but the comment still applies:
note that none of the participants are @discussions.com.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
 
T

TF

I'm a bit late on this thread; but if you open a received email, you can
right-click on the From 'displayname' and select Add to Outlook Contacts.
That seems pretty easy and intuitive to an aged silver surfer like me. The
last automation I would want is to have a sender's address added
automatically to contacts - think how may SPAM addresses there would be by
now!

BTW. There is no microsoft.public.word.general and hasn't be for at least 5
years.

--
Terry Farrell - Word MVP
http://word.mvps.org/

: Now, now, THAT is nonsense. Abusive and belligerent?
: I posted a surprise and disappointment that there was no easy, intuitive
way
: to save addresses from e-mails received.
:
: Ritter197
:
: : > What question? Ritter197 did not ask a question. He posted a rant.
: > Moreover,
: > it was irrelevant to Word because the address book is the province of
: > Outlook, as both JR and Graham pointed out, suggesting that he post a
: > question in an Outlook NG. Given that there was no question in the first
: > place and that Ritter197's post was belligerent and abusive, it was
: > actually
: > rather gracious of Graham to provide an answer at all.
: >
: > --
: > Suzanne S. Barnhill
: > Microsoft MVP (Word)
: > Words into Type
: > Fairhope, Alabama USA
:
: > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
: > so
: > all may benefit.
: >
: > : >> Mr. Graham could perhaps apologize to Mr. Ritter197 for his reply,
which
: > was
: >> condescending and sarcastic. Mr. Ritter197 was correct that the
response
: >> was unhelpful. The fact that there was a backhanded answer to his
: > question
: >> does not negate the fact that it was preceded by the language that he
: >> correctly saw as a reprimand.
: >>
: >> Mr. Ritter197 stated his issue in a mere 57 words and, like many who
seek
: >> help in this forum, he was somewhere along the spectrum of frustration.
: > It
: >> would have cost nothing to have supplied the answer without comment.
And
: >> this ever-lenthening thread could have been truncated after response
#2.
: >>
: >> Not to mention the fact that Mr. Ritter197 made a sincere, polite, and
: >> unqualified apology to Mr. Graham whose response was an ungracious,
: > "Noted."
: >>
: >> Here's a suggested response for Mr. Graham, "It was gracious of you to
: >> apologize, despite my own sarcasm and condescension, and I owe you a
: > proper
: >> acknowledgement of your apology, which I hope this is."
: >>
: >> Richard
: >>
: >>
: >> : >> > In that case, I believe you need to go back and apologize to Graham
for
: >> > saying, "Your response was not Helpful."
: >> >
: >> > --
: >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
: >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
: >> > Words into Type
: >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
: >>
: >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
: > newsgroup
: >> > so
: >> > all may benefit.
: >> >
: >> > : >> >> Thank you, Suzanne.
: >> >>
: >> >> That was very useful and it works!
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >> : >> >> > Did you not see the last part of Graham's post: "right click the
: >> > sender's
: >> >> > name in the message and select add or edit phone numbers"?
: >> >> >
: >> >> > --
: >> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
: >> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
: >> >> > Words into Type
: >> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
: >> >>
: >> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
: >> > newsgroup
: >> >> > so
: >> >> > all may benefit.
: >> >> >
: >> >> > : >> >> >> I think you understood what I was asking. Your response was not
: >> > Helpful,
: >> >> > but
: >> >> >> rather a reprimand.
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >> So CAN you answer positively? I would welcome that.
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >> : >> >> >> > The newsgroup titles indicate the content. You have posted to
: >> >> >> > Word
: >> >> >> > newusers
: >> >> >> > and Word general (an orphan group no longer hosted by
Microsoft).
: >> >> >> > The
: >> >> >> > correct forum for your whinge would have been the Outlook
forum,
: > but
: >> >> > these
: >> >> >> > are peer groups and they are no more interested in whinges than
: >> >> >> > we
: >> > are.
: >> >> > If
: >> >> >> > you have a constructive question, such as 'how do I add a
sender
: > to
: >> > my
: >> >> >> > Outlook's contact list' then ask it - and someone will tell you
: >> >> >> > to
: >> >> >> > right
: >> >> >> > click the sender's name in the message and select add or edit
: > phone
: >> >> >> > numbers.
: >> >> >> >
: >> >> >> > --
: >> >> >> > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
: >> >> >> > Graham Mayor - Word MVP
: >> >> >> >
: >> >> >> > My web site www.gmayor.com
: >> >> >> >
: >> >> >> > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
: >> >> >> >
: >> >> >> >
: >> >> >> >
: >> >> >> >
: >> >> >> > Ritter197 wrote:
: >> >> >> >> Well well. Is WORD not part of Office????
: >> >> >> >> Read again!
: >> >> >> >> "JR" <onejmATcomcast.net> wrote in message
: >> >> >> >> : >> >> >> >>> This is WORD, not Outlook. Take your gripes there !
: >> >> >> >>> John
: >> >> >> >>>
: >> >> >> >>>
: >> >> >> >>> : >> >> >> >>>> I use MS Office 2003 and am appalled that I cannot store
: >> >> >> >>>> automatically e-mail addresses from senders. I could always
do
: >> > that
: >> >> >> >>>> in OE, every version. Here I pay a lot for a "better" system
: > and
: >> > it
: >> >> >> >>>> cannot even capture e-mail addresses?
: >> >> >> >>>> But I can BUY it for $ 15 - 20, what a joke! And insult!
: >> >> >> >
: >> >> >> >
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >
: >>
: >>
: >
:
:
 
M

mpt

My pleasure.

Richard

Ritter197 said:
Thanks Richard. It is a pity that in NG's some people are more interested
in finding something wrong with exact form than help.
 
A

Amedee Van Gasse

Suzanne S. Barnhill shared this with us in
microsoft.public.word.newusers:
My impression, though, was that most of the incivility here was
coming in by way of Usenet and almost certainly from the orphaned
(and deprecated) microsoft.public.word.general. By "here" I meant "in
this thread," but when I switched to "Show All Messages," I was
surprised to discover that "this thread" was not the one I thought it
was, but the comment still applies: note that none of the
participants are @discussions.com.

Indeed, you ARE correct!
In this case... for every rule there are exceptions.

My personal observation is that in most other cases the incivility
comes from "relatively new" users (more than 1 year but less than 5
years of internet usage), and there is a higher probability for a "new
user" to be on a forum, not on usenet.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

I'm not so sure. The new users who come in via the forums may be ignorant of
Netiquette and totally clueless about how to ask questions, and they are
often very frustrated with Word by the time they arrive here, but for the
most part they are fairly timid and don't become generally abusive (if only
because they have so much trouble finding a specific thread again that they
don't hang around long enough). Where I see the highest level of incivility
is in threads in which the Word NGs are infected by cross-posting to NGs in
other product areas (where the level of civility is evidently not as high)
and especially to actual Usenet NGs (ones not on the msnews server), where a
more rough-and-ready posting style apparently obtains.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
 
A

Amedee Van Gasse

Suzanne S. Barnhill shared this with us in
microsoft.public.word.newusers:
especially to actual Usenet NGs (ones not on the msnews
server), where a more rough-and-ready posting style apparently
obtains.

You mean a "hit-and-run" posting style.
At home I have my default "don't feed this troll" message, with some
nice ASCII art. ;-)

Anyway your observation may be right in the case of the Microsoft
newsgroups.
Forum users over here may be ignorant and clueless (some, not all) but
don't stick around, because of the specific nature and sheer volume of
messages.

On the other hand, I have seen other forums (like the user forum of my
ISP) where the opposite is true: the newbies do stick around, and the
worst part of the year is when high school and college students have
their exams (=now). One might wonder if they shouldn't study...
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

We have had a number of obviously student-type (or student-age) posters in
some of these NGs for a time. Even when they aren't rude, arrogant
know-it-alls, they often "helpfully" post dozens of inaccurate, incomplete,
or just plain wrong answers before they move on. Aside from posting the
correct answer in parallel, about all you can do is hold your breath and
bite your tongue till they move on.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
 

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