A7N8X-X Temperatures

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Aldo Larrabiata

That is what I do at the moment.

And with that conf, you're reaching +64°C on the CPU diode ?
At the bottom front of the case I
have a 120mm fan blowing air into the case. This air passes over the
Hard disks.

Is this air warmed by a number of hot disks ? If yes, you'd extract this hot
air instead of making it circulating towards the CPU.
May be the solution could be to suck air on the side panel. Give a try.
What's the chipset temp ? It's close to the CPU and obviously has a
noticeable influence on it.
Then I have 2 80mm fans at the back of the case sucking
air out of the case.
The side panel does blow air into the case, may
be I should reverse the fan here.

You should avoid hot spots. See above.
 
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Aldo Larrabiata

"Harry" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message (e-mail address removed)...
[ . . . ]
Much as I would love to reduce the temperatures, I would like to avoid
the cardboard solution. Their must be a simpler way. How do all these
PC makers do it?

They compute the energy sources with a software then they simulate airflows
and they see where the fans shall me mounted. Or the fan locations are
imposed and they've just to determine the airflows.
If they're poor (o@^@o) they measure the temps with thermocouples. Then they
place the fans.

In my opinion, the extracting fans should be placed near the heat sources,
the blowing ones may be placed farther.

The PSU does suck the air out of the case so that one thing that OK I
guess.

Sure.

BTW,
MBM allows the user to chose between two internal diodes. Did you take the
right one corresponding to your MoBo version & CPU ?
 
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Aldo Larrabiata

OK Italy isn't so far from French Riviera unless you live in Sicilia !
Your temps are more in line than Harry's ones. However you could improve
them.
Low CPU temp is just a matter of increased margins.

With age, the dust clogs the gaps between the heatsink's blades. This
results in a less efficient cooling. Good margins allow the CPU to work
farther its limits (quite low since 85°C).


By the way, I love Italy and its XXMiglia's weekly market !
 
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Harry

"Harry" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message (e-mail address removed)...
[ . . . ]
Much as I would love to reduce the temperatures, I would like to avoid
the cardboard solution. Their must be a simpler way. How do all these
PC makers do it?

They compute the energy sources with a software then they simulate airflows
and they see where the fans shall me mounted. Or the fan locations are
imposed and they've just to determine the airflows.
If they're poor (o@^@o) they measure the temps with thermocouples. Then they
place the fans.

In my opinion, the extracting fans should be placed near the heat sources,
the blowing ones may be placed farther.

The PSU does suck the air out of the case so that one thing that OK I
guess.

Sure.

BTW,
MBM allows the user to chose between two internal diodes. Did you take the
right one corresponding to your MoBo version & CPU ?
2? Thats interesting. I will check the MBM website and see if it gives
the sensor to use....
 
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Harry

And with that conf, you're reaching +64°C on the CPU diode ?
yes, mind you the 64C is when the room is 25C and the CPU is under
load.
Is this air warmed by a number of hot disks ? If yes, you'd extract this hot
air instead of making it circulating towards the CPU.
May be the solution could be to suck air on the side panel. Give a try. Will do...
What's the chipset temp ? It's close to the CPU and obviously has a
noticeable influence on it.
I take it that is the Mobo temp. This reports 27C when the room is 23C
 
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Aldo Larrabiata

"Harry" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message (e-mail address removed)...

panel.

yes, mind you the 64C is when the room is 25C and the CPU is under
load.


No, no, I just expressed my surprise. Blowing and extracting air in the way
you do, it's surprizing the CPU temp is so high.
The only possible answers are:
- the air the CPU is bathing in is warmed up to 34/40°C by another heat
source. Perhaps the HDs.
- or the injection of the fresh air is not correct. When I used the
cardboard with the fan, I made several trials prior to finding the good
area. The accuracy isn't so high +/- 5 to 8 cm however, except if you
extract the air before it's applied to the CPU !

Will do...


OK Let us know if there's an improvement.


I take it that is the Mobo temp. This reports 27C when the room is 23C


Without the side fan, the chipset's heatsink was +48 / 52 °C, especially
under DOS (???) don't ask me why.
With the side fan, it dropped down to 37/39 °C
I let you imagine what was the die temp !
__ it was the hot spot __
 
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Harry

"Harry" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message (e-mail address removed)...




No, no, I just expressed my surprise. Blowing and extracting air in the way
you do, it's surprizing the CPU temp is so high.
The only possible answers are:
- the air the CPU is bathing in is warmed up to 34/40°C by another heat
source. Perhaps the HDs.
- or the injection of the fresh air is not correct. When I used the
cardboard with the fan, I made several trials prior to finding the good
area. The accuracy isn't so high +/- 5 to 8 cm however, except if you
extract the air before it's applied to the CPU !
Sorry, my misunderstanding.



OK Let us know if there's an improvement.
I switched the side panel fan round. I also looked at Motherboard
Monitor to see if I had set the compensation setting correctly (This
was mentioned earlier). The CPU Socket and MB were apparently 2C out,
compared with the BIOS value.

Then I checked the MBM website to see which sensor I should check for
the CPU diode. Surprisingly the website mentions 2 sensors for the CPU
(Asus 2 and Asus 4 (How does that work then? I though the CPU only had
one sensor). I use Asus 3 for the CPU Socket and Asus 1 for the MB.

So now in MBM, I monitor the MB, CPU Socket and CPU diode and a
further sensor for the CPU

I didnt have time to do the tests accuratly so Im afraid that will
have to wait until Monday before I can post it up.

But the inital boot up results with just the fan swapped over are
--IDLE
Room temp - 21C
MB - 25C
Socket - 32C
CPU Sensor 1 - 53C

The PC was idle for 45mins (while I had my tea)

I will let you know the full results on monday

cheers

Harry
 
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Tim

Harry,

Everythings else said before +...

Did you say what temps you get with the side panel off?
If you get a big drop in temp then you do have a lack of circulation in
the case.
The front fan may be rotating too slow for example.

Check the mounting of the Heatsink on the CPU. It is common to get poor
coupling between the heatsink and the CPU especially when too much heat gunk
is put on. I would recommend going to the arctic silver web site

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

and read their installation instructions. Observe the model of heat gunk
hyou have - there is AS 3 and AS 5. AS 5 with Pentiums is put on a bit
different - ensure you note the instructions for the correct CPU.

One of the most important things in mounting a heatsink is to press down and
the AS site says "
Once the heatsink is properly mounted, grasp the heatsink and very gently
wiggle it slightly clockwise and counterclockwise one time each if possible.
(Just one or two degrees or so.)"



Now that means a very very small wiggle! (Milli Wiggle is that latest term).
The thing to avoid is twisting, sliding, or otherwise tearing the surface of
the gunk as that creates non contact areas --> hot spots --> system crash. I
had a CPU that ran stoney cold, but if I printed to my Epson printer the
temp would go through the roof - that was the cause.

So take your time and try re-mouting the CPU - getting a near transparent
film of heat gunk on the CPU is the trick.

Lastly:

The best temps I have seen for stock systems are those in cases with side
ports and a tube straight to the heatsink fan. The fans are slow and quiet
and because they can suck in cold air (can't get colder than ambient)
straight onto the heatsink with no drag, best resulst. The fan on the case
side may be more hindrence than help if it pushes slower than the heatsink
fan sucks - I think it acts like a valve blocking flow if there is a
mismatch.

- Tim
 
H

Harry

Harry,

Everythings else said before +...

Did you say what temps you get with the side panel off?
If you get a big drop in temp then you do have a lack of circulation in
the case.
The front fan may be rotating too slow for example.
The temps are with the side panel on. Removin g the side panel does
drop the temps, but only a degree or 3
Check the mounting of the Heatsink on the CPU. It is common to get poor
coupling between the heatsink and the CPU especially when too much heat gunk
is put on. I would recommend going to the arctic silver web site

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

and read their installation instructions. Observe the model of heat gunk
hyou have - there is AS 3 and AS 5. AS 5 with Pentiums is put on a bit
different - ensure you note the instructions for the correct CPU.

One of the most important things in mounting a heatsink is to press down and
the AS site says "
Once the heatsink is properly mounted, grasp the heatsink and very gently
wiggle it slightly clockwise and counterclockwise one time each if possible.
(Just one or two degrees or so.)"
The HSF is correctly setup according to the ArticSilver sites
recommendations. As I have a Zalman Cu6000, it only has one lug
connecting with each side of the socket rather than the 3 lug Volcano
11 it replaces. As such I was able to rotate the HSF as mentioned by
ArticSilver.
Now that means a very very small wiggle! (Milli Wiggle is that latest term).
The thing to avoid is twisting, sliding, or otherwise tearing the surface of
the gunk as that creates non contact areas --> hot spots --> system crash. I
had a CPU that ran stoney cold, but if I printed to my Epson printer the
temp would go through the roof - that was the cause.

So take your time and try re-mouting the CPU - getting a near transparent
film of heat gunk on the CPU is the trick.
I may just go ahead and refit the HSF to satisfy myself on its
correctness..
Lastly:

The best temps I have seen for stock systems are those in cases with side
ports and a tube straight to the heatsink fan. The fans are slow and quiet
and because they can suck in cold air (can't get colder than ambient)
straight onto the heatsink with no drag, best resulst. The fan on the case
side may be more hindrence than help if it pushes slower than the heatsink
fan sucks - I think it acts like a valve blocking flow if there is a
mismatch.
My side fan is unfortunately offset from the CPU by some distance. I
did try a tube from the fan to the heat sink but the results were that
the temps only dropped by 1C.


Thanks for your advice/interest

cheers

Harry
 
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Harry

I switched the side panel fan round. I also looked at Motherboard
Monitor to see if I had set the compensation setting correctly (This
was mentioned earlier). The CPU Socket and MB were apparently 2C out,
compared with the BIOS value.

Then I checked the MBM website to see which sensor I should check for
the CPU diode. Surprisingly the website mentions 2 sensors for the CPU
(Asus 2 and Asus 4 (How does that work then? I though the CPU only had
one sensor). I use Asus 3 for the CPU Socket and Asus 1 for the MB.

So now in MBM, I monitor the MB, CPU Socket and CPU diode and a
further sensor for the CPU

I didnt have time to do the tests accuratly so Im afraid that will
have to wait until Monday before I can post it up.

But the inital boot up results with just the fan swapped over are
--IDLE
Room temp - 21C
MB - 25C
Socket - 32C
CPU Sensor 1 - 53C

The PC was idle for 45mins (while I had my tea)

I will let you know the full results on monday

cheers

Harry

OK Heres a twist. I downloaded the latest MBM and installed/configured
it, Without any compensation settings, the diode reports 47C idle and
55C under load (1 hour of 100% cpu utilisation).

At Idle
The room temp was 21C.
MB was 25C
Socket was 34C
CPU Diode was 47C

With side panel off all temps reduced by about 3C

I guess MBM has tweaked its internals and now reports lower temps for
my board? Previously I reported it as 53C idle, now it shows 47C.


I think I am happier with the side panel fan blowing out now too.

thanks for all your input guys, its been very interesting


Harry
 
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_P_e_ar_lALegend

OK Heres a twist. I downloaded the latest MBM and installed/configured
it, Without any compensation settings, the diode reports 47C idle and
55C under load (1 hour of 100% cpu utilisation).

At Idle
The room temp was 21C.
MB was 25C
Socket was 34C
CPU Diode was 47C

Thats much more better :)))

Still not perfect!!! It do have 33C in the room and the very maximum under
100 per 100 cpu load is 52C.

I think u can tweak your cooling a bit more, but ohhh well, no u do not
risk your hardware and your data!
 
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Harry

Thats much more better :)))

Still not perfect!!! It do have 33C in the room and the very maximum under
100 per 100 cpu load is 52C.

I think u can tweak your cooling a bit more, but ohhh well, no u do not
risk your hardware and your data!
The Zalman cu6000 is very quiet but not the best cooler in the world,
so I reckon its pretty optimal. I think the only improvements I could
make could be having tubing to funnel cold air directly onto the
CPU/HSF.

I might look at doing a bit of case modding and replace the 2 80mm
fans at the rear of the case with one 120mm fan.

thanks again

Harry
 
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Ed

The Zalman cu6000 is very quiet but not the best cooler in the world,
so I reckon its pretty optimal. I think the only improvements I could
make could be having tubing to funnel cold air directly onto the
CPU/HSF.

I might look at doing a bit of case modding and replace the 2 80mm
fans at the rear of the case with one 120mm fan.

thanks again

Harry

You just want a big heatsink/fan so it's quite, anything under 65C die
temp should be fine, AMD's XP line have a max die temp rating of 85C.

Ed
 
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_P_e_ar_lALegend

I might look at doing a bit of case modding and replace the 2 80mm
You just want a big heatsink/fan so it's quite, anything under 65C die
temp should be fine, AMD's XP line have a max die temp rating of 85C.
Please, read the topic before say bullshits :-(((
 
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Aldo Larrabiata

Glad for you but make sure that the sensor you're using is the right one in
line with _your_ CPU.
A double cross-checking is always better.

Have fun with your computer now.
 
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Harry

Glad for you but make sure that the sensor you're using is the right one in
line with _your_ CPU.
A double cross-checking is always better.

Have fun with your computer now.
cheers

Of the sensors MBM gives I have selected the one that reports the
highest temp. The MBM website doesnt actually have my board listed.
The A7V333 on the MBM website doesnt report the same sensors as my
A7V333-X....
 
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Aldo Larrabiata

Roughly ten degrees between die and socket under mid load. This allows to
focus on what's wrong.
Presently, it's 25 °C in my office, Socket is +37°C, CPU die is +47°C (+45
to +51°C), MoBo (close to the BIOS) is +32°C, IDE disk is +27°C; SCSI one
(badly cooled is +37°C. The CPU use oscillates between 30 & 67%.
CPU is Athlon 2400+.

Bye
 

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