9700pro discontinued?

[J.Clarke]

I was in a computer store yesterday and was told that ATI has
discontinued the 9700pro. This would explain why I don't see them for
sale at the online store I usually use. IMO this is a scam to force
people to buy the more expensive 9800pro. The performance difference
between a 9700pro and 9800pro does not warrant the cost increase.

Perhaps it is a scam to avoid having to run production lines for two
different chips with very similar function.

 

[Longshanks]

I was in a computer store yesterday and was told that ATI has
discontinued the 9700pro. This would explain why I don't see them for
sale at the online store I usually use. IMO this is a scam to force
people to buy the more expensive 9800pro. The performance difference
between a 9700pro and 9800pro does not warrant the cost increase.

 

[Strontium]

Or, to force people to purchase the 9600, which is far inferior, for the
same price. Gotta love greedy bastards...

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[Mark]

I was in a computer store yesterday and was told that ATI has
discontinued the 9700pro. This would explain why I don't see them for
sale at the online store I usually use. IMO this is a scam to force
people to buy the more expensive 9800pro. The performance difference
between a 9700pro and 9800pro does not warrant the cost increase.

The 9700 Pro is a discontinued item now but is usually selling
for a good price on clearance if you can still find one. I agree
that the discounted prices make it hard to justify spending the
extra for the 9800 Pro, but I have noticed that the price of the
128MB 9800 Pro (at least where I live) is nicer than what the
9700 Pro was in the months after its initial release when it was
the top dog.

 

[Ar Q]

The 9700 Pro is a discontinued item now but is usually selling
for a good price on clearance if you can still find one. I agree
that the discounted prices make it hard to justify spending the
extra for the 9800 Pro, but I have noticed that the price of the
128MB 9800 Pro (at least where I live) is nicer than what the
9700 Pro was in the months after its initial release when it was
the top dog.

It seems to me that ATI now controls their inventory quite nicely from their
perspective. In the past, I can always buy the discontinued card at heavy
discount. But now they disappeared quickly after they discontinued.

 

[Longshanks]

It's no scam, it's just when you come out with a new line of video cards or
clothes or cars or refrigerators or TV's or.....

you naturally stop making the old model. That is the whole reason why
ATI/Nvidia release mid range and low range products and besides, the R9800
pro is less than the 9700 pro was when the 9700pro was released.

-Tim

No, it's not a different line. 9800pro is a 9700pro with a higher
clock and bit higher spec memory. Apart from that they are the exact
same product. Nvidia made 4200 4400 and 4600, they didn't stop making
the 4200 and 4400 because they made the 4600. It is a a scam to make
people buy the 9800pro so don't BS me shill. I don't want the card
anyway, too many glitches fo my liking, I'm just making an accurate
observation about ATI.

 

[Longshanks]

Perhaps it is a scam to avoid having to run production lines for two
different chips with very similar function.

Yea sure, that's why they still make all those old cards, eh? The 9000
is nothing but a very slightly modified 8500 with a new name. There is
no reason they still can't make the 9700pro. They are only hurting
their sales profits by stopping production of the 9700pro. Lots of
people who would buy a 9700pro will not pay the price for the 9800pro
when they know the perforamnce difference doesn't warrant the cost.
But hey, a fool and his money are soon parted so maybe I am wrong
about that.

 

[Dr Richard Cranium]

glitches ? you must be refering to your Nvidia ? You have an Nvidia right ?

the only glitch i see is that this 9800pro (128m) runs everything smoothly and the text is
crystal clear, and it doesn't crash anything - anytime. My game play can last far more
many hours than I can play games now. Oh, the glitch ? not having to be learning about how
to fix all the stinking problems and Not having to learn about patches and the
interworkings of Windows Xp - because the card runs so smoothly and my PC don't crash no
more. I bought this PC to play games and learn about computers.
Now all i have to do with my learning time is play games. Maybe I will have to go back to
Nvidia to "get back into my PC" and learn about how to prevent so many stinking Nvidia
crashes and lockups. anyway, too many glitches for my liking, I'm just making an accurate
observation about ATI.
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: On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:23:58 GMT, "Tim Miser"
:
: >It's no scam, it's just when you come out with a new line of video cards or
: >clothes or cars or refrigerators or TV's or.....
: >
: >you naturally stop making the old model. That is the whole reason why
: >ATI/Nvidia release mid range and low range products and besides, the R9800
: >pro is less than the 9700 pro was when the 9700pro was released.
: >
: >-Tim
:
: No, it's not a different line. 9800pro is a 9700pro with a higher
: clock and bit higher spec memory. Apart from that they are the exact
: same product. Nvidia made 4200 4400 and 4600, they didn't stop making
: the 4200 and 4400 because they made the 4600. It is a a scam to make
: people buy the 9800pro so don't BS me shill. I don't want the card
: anyway, too many glitches fo my liking, I'm just making an accurate
: observation about ATI.




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[Strontium]

Some people are content to be 'sheep'. I say 'let them'.


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[C&M]

They arent the same the 9800 uses a different core.

 

[J.Clarke]

OK, there are some slight differences, I looked it up after I made
this post. Still, that doesn't warrant discontinuing the 9700pro. The
performance and price point I want is right where the 9700pro was
sitting. Oh well, they just lost themselves a sale, no loss to me.

So you are saying that they should continue producing the R300 chip even
though it is only slightly different from the R350? As for their losing
a sale, buy or don't buy and be damned to the lot of us.

Play FS2004 on a 9700pro or 9800pro recently. I remember I couldn't
play FS2002 at first without hacked drivers when I had an R8500 too.

What does FS2004 have to do with the difference between the R300 and
R350?

 

[Tim Miser]

No, it's not a different line. 9800pro is a 9700pro with a higher
clock and bit higher spec memory. Apart from that they are the exact
same product. Nvidia made 4200 4400 and 4600, they didn't stop making
the 4200 and 4400 because they made the 4600. It is a a scam to make
people buy the 9800pro so don't BS me shill. I don't want the card
anyway, too many glitches fo my liking, I'm just making an accurate
observation about ATI.

#1 You're wrong. Nvidia's 4200, 4400, and 4600 were from the same product
line released at roughly the same time. ATI's 9700 Pro, 9700, 9500 Pro, and
9500 were all from the same product line last year. This year's models are
the 9800 Pro, 9800, 9600 Pro, and 9600.

#2 I'd suggest you invest a little time to learn about the products you know
so little about.

#3 Nobody is MAKING you buy squat. If you want a 9700pro then go buy one
from another online vendor. Pricewatch has 5 pages of vendors selling the
9700 pro. If you want to buy a GF 4600 then do so but be aware there are
only 2 pages of pricewatch vendors selling that card so in essence your
anger should be directed at Nvidia for FORCING you to buy their new model!

-Tim

 

[KCB]

No, it's not a different line. 9800pro is a 9700pro with a higher
clock and bit higher spec memory. Apart from that they are the exact
same product. Nvidia made 4200 4400 and 4600, they didn't stop making
the 4200 and 4400 because they made the 4600. It is a a scam to make
people buy the 9800pro so don't BS me shill. I don't want the card
anyway, too many glitches fo my liking, I'm just making an accurate
observation about ATI.

If you don't want the card then why are you whining about it so much? Why
do you even care?

 

[Longshanks]

And an improved Z buffer cache and a new feature, the F-buffer. The
9800 is based on the R350 chip, the 9700 on the R300. You might find
the discussion at
<http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q1/radeon-9800pro/index.x?pg=1>
to be of interest.

OK, there are some slight differences, I looked it up after I made
this post. Still, that doesn't warrant discontinuing the 9700pro. The
performance and price point I want is right where the 9700pro was
sitting. Oh well, they just lost themselves a sale, no loss to me.

No, you're not. You're stating an uninformed opinion.

Play FS2004 on a 9700pro or 9800pro recently. I remember I couldn't
play FS2002 at first without hacked drivers when I had an R8500 too.

 

[Gnasher]

Some people are content to be 'sheep'. I say 'let them'.

Ba-a-a-a-a the sheep now are the ATI users. I've already been through
the ATI dance noob.

 

[Gnasher]

They arent the same the 9800 uses a different core.

*Very slightly different*. And certainly not worth the asking price
difference over a 9700pro.

 

[Gnasher]

#3 Nobody is MAKING you buy squat. If you want a 9700pro then go buy one
from another online vendor. Pricewatch has 5 pages of vendors selling the
9700 pro. If you want to buy a GF 4600 then do so but be aware there are
only 2 pages of pricewatch vendors selling that card so in essence your
anger should be directed at Nvidia for FORCING you to buy their new model!

-Tim

None available where I live bud. And I don't order from the U.S.
anymore.

 

[Arto V]

Why dont u all take a look at this 9800 nonpro review

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/ati_radeon_9800/default.asp

 

[Strontium]

You'll be back. Foo.

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[NightSky 421]

OK, there are some slight differences, I looked it up after I made
this post. Still, that doesn't warrant discontinuing the 9700pro. The
performance and price point I want is right where the 9700pro was
sitting. Oh well, they just lost themselves a sale, no loss to me.

ATI discontinuing the 9700 Pro when they came out with the 9800 Pro is no
different than what any other company would do when they come out with the
successor to a product. That's not to say that you can't still find a 9700
Pro somewhere, but I don't think it's entirely realistic to expect that a
company would continue to produce previous product lines when replacements
come out. I agree that the R300 and R350 aren't much different
technologically, but neither was the GeForce versus the GeForce2, or the
GeForce 3 versus the GeForce4.

Now go ask Nvidia if they are still making GeForceFX 5800 Ultra cards.