You're not Alone, Kurt

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Since you set yourself up as the system builder, you then must also
comply with the system builder agreement.
 
If I buy a copy of XP OEM then I am the OEM and I would support the upgrade
to the motherboard.
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depending on how you obtained the OEM copy, you might be a "End-User"
and not an OEM. You might want to check on your real status, as just
having posession of an OEM disk does not make you an OEM.
As the OEM I would approve anything I do to the PC.
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You might want to validate that you are an OEM - did you purchase your
OEM copy through Microsoft or an OEM vendor that provided it to you as
an "End User"?
 
Bob said:
Since you set yourself up as the system builder, you then must also
comply with the system builder agreement.
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One cannot set oneself up as a system builder. One has to apply for
that. One can only go on the EULA which, of course, makes no mention of
a motherboard.

Alias
 
Microsoft Community Rules of Conduct
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx

"Microsoft reserves the right to review materials posted
to the Communication Services and to remove any materials
in its sole discretion. Microsoft reserves the right to terminate
your access to any or all of the Communication Services at
any time, without notice, for any reason whatsoever."

Examples of Violations:

"Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate
the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others."

"Publish, post, upload, distribute or disseminate any inappropriate,
profane, defamatory, obscene, indecent or unlawful topic, name,
material or information."
 
Why would you get censored for that? I just updated my Intel chipset
and my dusty 850E motherboard with XP Home OEM. XP SP2 is the only
reason my EIDE 200GB HDD's work as well. I dont like EZ anything.DDO
isnt supported by most products, so XP OEM saved my BIOS from the
garbageman.

More likely that there is a problem with the forums, which have been
reported. Some of my posts appeared under a different user name in MCE
threads. Quit being a dimentiatic drama queen. In Carey I trust.
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It's a "nice" point. I have a working system with an XP Pro OEM OS. I would
"like" to upgrade my Mobo. I am prevented (in theory) from doing this,
because this would be seen as changing the computer. OTOH, I guess Microsoft
would not wish to be seen to be preventing hardware sales - some of their
success has been built on hardware sales which follow their OS upgrades. The
next upgrade is taking an unconscionably long time to implement. This is
harming hardware sales. If I wait for Windows Vista, which I will certainly
buy when it comes out, I can upgrade my system. If I do it now, with my
current licence, I am "harming Microsoft" - so I wait. But this system is
already two and a half years old, and normally I would now be upgrading it.
Do I wait for another six months, or is Microsoft going to 'soften' its
attitude.

We know what the MS shouters will say on this newsgroup, but what is the
real company position? Are they really going to harm the hardware sellers
with their attitude to upgraders?

Take care,

John
(In philosophical business mood)
 
Yo 3 paragraphs down from the link you posted

"Product key information, in the form of the product ID, is sent along with
a "hardware hash" (a non-unique number generated from the PC's hardware
configuration)"

I was asking what they consider a hardware "ID", the BIOS or the disk, Dicks
come and go so thats out. The Bios makes sense for OEM but it should not be
limited to the "hardware ID".

This was news to me:

" Product Activation discourages piracy by limiting the number of times a
product key can be activated on different PCs"

I thought there were no restrictions to how many times an OS was installed,
part of their privacy act not to record personal information?
 
Yo 3 paragraphs down from the link you posted

"Product key information, in the form of the product ID, is sent along with
a "hardware hash" (a non-unique number generated from the PC's hardware
configuration)"

I was asking what they consider a hardware "ID", the BIOS or the disk, Dicks
come and go so thats out. The Bios makes sense for OEM but it should not be
limited to the "hardware ID".

This was news to me:

" Product Activation discourages piracy by limiting the number of times a
product key can be activated on different PCs"

I thought there were no restrictions to how many times an OS was installed,
part of their privacy act not to record personal information?
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The part you're missing is the "hardware hash", there is a detailed
explanation of how it's computed on the MS site somewhere.

So, you can reinstall XP on the same computer zillions of time, but if
you change enough items it will see that the hash has changed and
require you to reactivate (and it has nothing to do with phoning home).
 
haha, freudian slip. "Disks" in the appropriate spot.

"The product does check itself from time to time to see if it is activated
and if it is still on the same PC on which it was originally activated"

And would this mean a reactivation with a different code if installed onto a
new HDD AND a new MB together or just the MB? I'm buying a new MB and would
rather save the headache of having to buy a new OS AFTER I hook up the MB.

How many Reinstallations do I get because I burned a few trying to install
them on a "larger than 137GB" HDD unsuccessfully. Hence the need for new
BIOS.
 
Alias said:
First thing to do is ask the man or woman in India what his or her
employee ID number is and what his or her name is. Then quote MS' web
page and give him or her the URL. Then demand an activation code. If
refused, demand to speak to a supervisor. Of course, one should be
polite during the whole process.

Alias
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I've not been denied yet, and I don't need to make their job tougher.
It goes quicker if I follow the usual script. Which is, Retail disk
doesn't like X brand product key, but it installed anyway, call up MS,
the machine won't give me my key, wait for human (only about 30 Sec),
give them the first 6 digits of the installation ID. After that, they
may ask for other groups, the product key, and is this the only
computer with this licence (yes), Sometimes they ask for where it was
purchased from, I always tell them that it is a donation (true), and
the city and state. It gets annoying. Which is why I always call during
peak hours when they don't have TIME for this crap.

They ask this stuff because microsoft makes them. And yes, this means
ms is two-faced.

I will keep your suggestion in mind if I DO have to walk up the ladder.

PS, They always give you their name first thing. And some of them do
near-perfect Austrailian accents.
 
Carey Frisch said:
Microsoft Community Rules of Conduct
http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx

"Microsoft reserves the right to review materials posted
to the Communication Services and to remove any materials
in its sole discretion. Microsoft reserves the right to terminate
your access to any or all of the Communication Services at
any time, without notice, for any reason whatsoever."

Examples of Violations:

"Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate
the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others."

"Publish, post, upload, distribute or disseminate any inappropriate,
profane, defamatory, obscene, indecent or unlawful topic, name,
material or information."
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Hello Carey
Can I assume then that they use these rights of censorship at their sole
discretion, ONLY when such examples of violation are directed against
Microsoft.
As none of us have seen/read any of these censored postings that have been
mentioned by those in this thread, one must assume that this is the case.
I have in the past year read postings of racial and religious abuse, and the
'piss-taking' of physically handicapped people.
Perhaps the censors time would be better spent deleting such postings.
Rgds
Antioch
Sorry for the 'PISS-TAKING bit ;-)
 
nubian said:
Neither of you are alone, I'm getting censored for the 3rd time now.
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I really don't think either of you are being censored.

The only way that could be happening is if you are posting directly to
the M$ newsserver's.

Or, you are posting to a M$ controlled server.

Or, the server you are posting to ONLY feeds to/sucks from the M$
newsservers.

It's much more likely that there was a newsserver issue other than
censorship.
 
DanS said:
I really don't think either of you are being censored.

The only way that could be happening is if you are posting directly to
the M$ newsserver's.

Or, you are posting to a M$ controlled server.

Or, the server you are posting to ONLY feeds to/sucks from the M$
newsservers.

It's much more likely that there was a newsserver issue other than
censorship.
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I post directly to the MS news server.

Alias
 
DanS said:
I really don't think either of you are being censored.

The only way that could be happening is if you are posting directly to
the M$ newsserver's.

Or, you are posting to a M$ controlled server.

Or, the server you are posting to ONLY feeds to/sucks from the M$
newsservers.

It's much more likely that there was a newsserver issue other than
censorship.
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The messages are on Google, just not MS' servers.

Alias
 
I really don't think either of you are being censored.

The only way that could be happening is if you are posting directly to
the M$ newsserver's.

Or, you are posting to a M$ controlled server.

Or, the server you are posting to ONLY feeds to/sucks from the M$
newsservers.

It's much more likely that there was a newsserver issue other than
censorship.
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They do post directly to MS Servers and MS is being nice enough to yank
posts they feel might ruin the experience for other users.
 
I really don't think either of you are being censored.

The only way that could be happening is if you are posting directly to
the M$ newsserver's.

Or, you are posting to a M$ controlled server.

Or, the server you are posting to ONLY feeds to/sucks from the M$
newsservers.

It's much more likely that there was a newsserver issue other than
censorship.
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I've had all my posts pulled from MS's server.

Call it what you want, but someone sent a lot of time and effort to
purge me from MS's newsgroup server.

http://censored.microscum.com

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
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