You're not Alone, Kurt

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I was censored for stating the truth that one can change a motherboard
with a generic OEM XP.

I wonder if it was Carey who hit the delete key.

Alias
 
Why would you get censored for that? I just updated my Intel chipset and my
dusty 850E motherboard with XP Home OEM. XP SP2 is the only reason my EIDE
200GB HDD's work as well. I dont like EZ anything.DDO isnt supported by most
products, so XP OEM saved my BIOS from the garbageman.

More likely that there is a problem with the forums, which have been
reported. Some of my posts appeared under a different user name in MCE
threads. Quit being a dimentiatic drama queen. In Carey I trust.
 
brandon said:
Why would you get censored for that? I just updated my Intel chipset and my
dusty 850E motherboard with XP Home OEM. XP SP2 is the only reason my EIDE
200GB HDD's work as well. I dont like EZ anything.DDO isnt supported by most
products, so XP OEM saved my BIOS from the garbageman.

More likely that there is a problem with the forums, which have been
reported. Some of my posts appeared under a different user name in MCE
threads. Quit being a dimentiatic drama queen. In Carey I trust.
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Um, they were censored, period. Carey says you are a thief for having
done what you've done.

Alias
 
Alias said:
I was censored for stating the truth that one can change a motherboard with
a generic OEM XP.
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It was Mother's Day in the uk on Sunday, so any talk about changing your
mother, just 'cos she's bored with a generic OEM XP, may have been deemed
inappropriate.

Jon
 
Im a thief for updating my chipset from the manufactures updates? you really
are dillusionsal.
 
You mean REPLACING a mobo with the original OEM HDD still there? All I did
was reinstall XP on a new HDD which is legal as long as I only keep 1
operating system running at one instance.

Youre questioning what does MS qualify as a "PC" ...what is it if not the
software installation. OEM is supposed to "die" with the system which sucks
for those who could spend $2,000 on their OEM installed PC and MS says we
cant upgrade hardware which isnt theirs? F them and censor that. I'm buying a
new MB and I WILL install my Home OEM on it (until Vista).
 
brandon said:
Im a thief for updating my chipset from the manufactures updates? you really
are dillusionsal.
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Um, tell that to Carey. I agree with you :-) I have replaced
motherboards with a generic OEM XP with no problems whatsoever.

Alias
 
Carey skirted the copy XP install CD for a friend question though. Saying
better for friend to get his/her own. The XP license (EULA) says otherwise,
not legal to copy except for one personal backup, period. So, am wondering
what side of the fence or straddle the fence on some other potential license
issue Carey may take.

I've swapped motherboards and more on same PC, doing new generic OEM XP
install myself as well. Same PC, had same generic OEM XP install on it. MS
approved the installation via phone call for activation which they provided
the new product key.
 
I dont get it, whenever I've done a clean install I swear the Computer name
is changed, if MS isn't using that as their OS ID , why are they using our
Hardware configuration? Its like the police ID'ing a suspect by the liners
inside the shoe. You want a gel insert?Buy a new shoe!

I understand the cause of OEM and the business behind it but it doesn't make
a lot of sense to run an OS thats only as good as its hardware, I have two
200GB HDD's, but my MB only supports one so I need to upgrade.

Legally I should spend another $200(canadian) on a proper OS which I have no
interest in right now, MS says I dont deserve an upgrade premium because I'm
an OEM user (although the OEM isr only $40 less than the full version so if I
only spend $100 Im just not as good as the guy who spent $140 for the same
product,

All I want to upgrade is the lisence in effect really, so now I must spend
$140). So their business stratagem fails. Its glutanous from the end user
vantage.
It makes more sense to spend an extra $40 when you buy a new PC to ensure
you get a fully licensed windows OS product.
I'd buy a Mac if they weren't so similar to that effect. I dont want a PC I
cant upgrade.
 
brandon said:
I dont get it, whenever I've done a clean install I swear the Computer name
is changed, if MS isn't using that as their OS ID , why are they using our
Hardware configuration? Its like the police ID'ing a suspect by the liners
inside the shoe. You want a gel insert?Buy a new shoe!

I understand the cause of OEM and the business behind it but it doesn't make
a lot of sense to run an OS thats only as good as its hardware, I have two
200GB HDD's, but my MB only supports one so I need to upgrade.

Legally I should spend another $200(canadian) on a proper OS which I have no
interest in right now, MS says I dont deserve an upgrade premium because I'm
an OEM user (although the OEM isr only $40 less than the full version so if I
only spend $100 Im just not as good as the guy who spent $140 for the same
product,

All I want to upgrade is the lisence in effect really, so now I must spend
$140). So their business stratagem fails. Its glutanous from the end user
vantage.
It makes more sense to spend an extra $40 when you buy a new PC to ensure
you get a fully licensed windows OS product.
I'd buy a Mac if they weren't so similar to that effect. I dont want a PC I
cant upgrade.
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The only information you are required to give if you have to do a phone
activation is the installation ID and that, my friend, is it.

From http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
for Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name
of the country in which the product is being installed)."

Alias
 
I was censored for stating the truth that one can change a motherboard
with a generic OEM XP.

I wonder if it was Carey who hit the delete key.

Alias
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MS is afraid of the truth, and whoever is doing the MicroCensoring now
is a true hater of the truth. My guess is that MS has brought in a
Chinese Communist Party Member over on a H1B visa to do it!
 
CHOOSE your words to say what you mean.

You did not upgrade your chipset.
You upgraded the drivers for your chipset.

Correct ?
 
aka@ said:
Um, they were censored, period. Carey says you are a thief for having
done what you've done.
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He said CHIPSET, not motherboard. You can update firmware without
violating the license.
 
Leythos said:
He said CHIPSET, not motherboard. You can update firmware without
violating the license.
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He also said he was going to upgrade his motherboard, something that is
allowed by the EULA, despite Carey's pronouncements and despite my being
censored.

Alias
 
aka@ said:
He also said he was going to upgrade his motherboard, something that is
allowed by the EULA, despite Carey's pronouncements and despite my being
censored.
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As I still understand it, since I've not seen anything to contradict it
yet, the only time you can "upgrade" a working motherboard to a
"different" version/type, is when the OEM specifically supports it and
provides you with a means to re-activate.

If you upgrade because the motherboard is defective, the OEM still has
to approve it, but MS will provide a new key for activation.

This is my understanding at this time.
 
The only information you are required to give if you have to do a phone
activation is the installation ID and that, my friend, is it.

From http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
for Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name
of the country in which the product is being installed)."

Alias
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That May be true, but they ASK for a lot more. And the Guy in India
doens't HAVE to give you a code.
 
Alias said:
He also said he was going to upgrade his motherboard, something that is
allowed by the EULA, despite Carey's pronouncements and despite my being
censored.

Alias
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Neither of you are alone, I'm getting censored for the 3rd time now.
 
That May be true, but they ASK for a lot more. And the Guy in India
doens't HAVE to give you a code.
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First thing to do is ask the man or woman in India what his or her
employee ID number is and what his or her name is. Then quote MS' web
page and give him or her the URL. Then demand an activation code. If
refused, demand to speak to a supervisor. Of course, one should be
polite during the whole process.

Alias
 
Alias said:
I was censored for stating the truth that one can change a motherboard
with a generic OEM XP.

I wonder if it was Carey who hit the delete key.
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Neither Carey nor any other MVP has the ability to censor anyone's posts.
 
As I still understand it, since I've not seen anything to contradict it
yet, the only time you can "upgrade" a working motherboard to a
"different" version/type, is when the OEM specifically supports it and
provides you with a means to re-activate.
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If I buy a copy of XP OEM then I am the OEM and I would support the upgrade
to the motherboard.

If you upgrade because the motherboard is defective, the OEM still has
to approve it, but MS will provide a new key for activation.
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As the OEM I would approve anything I do to the PC.
 
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