XXCopy and XP.

[John Corliss]

I notice that the main page for XXCopy says:

"A Win95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP/2003 utility which runs in command line mode"

and yet some in this group have said that it won't work or has problems
with XP. Can anybody please tell me what the problem(s) with using
XXCopy in XP are?

TIA

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[REM]

John Corliss <[email protected]> wrote:

I notice that the main page for XXCopy says:

"A Win95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP/2003 utility which runs in command line mode"

and yet some in this group have said that it won't work or has problems
with XP. Can anybody please tell me what the problem(s) with using
XXCopy in XP are?

If I understand correctly, this problem is only in creating a bootable
backup, as can be done with 98 & ME.

As far as simple file copying goes I think it will work grandly!

 

[Art]

I notice that the main page for XXCopy says:

"A Win95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP/2003 utility which runs in command line mode"

and yet some in this group have said that it won't work or has problems
with XP. Can anybody please tell me what the problem(s) with using
XXCopy in XP are?

You mean it actually copies all Windows files ok? It doesn't on Win 2K
Pro. It consistenly fails to copy 20 protected files, as I posted
before.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[burris]

I notice that the main page for XXCopy says:

"A Win95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP/2003 utility which runs in command line mode"

and yet some in this group have said that it won't work or has problems
with XP. Can anybody please tell me what the problem(s) with using
XXCopy in XP are?

TIA

John....

I would again direct you to the very good xxcopy forum.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xxcopy/

There are some experienced users, including the developer, who would be
glad to answer your questions.

Sometimes, rather than asking around, hoping to find the answer, with a
little effort, you can learn quite a bit by searching it out yourself.

In previous post related to xxclone/xxcopy, you indicated that you are
becoming so frustrated that you want to go back to ME. I'm sure you
realize that MS simply put out this abomination as a delaying tactic
until they could complete XP.
I think that if your system is set up properly, XP should do a good job
for you. I wouldn't bail out just because some program doesn't do what
you think it should. That's where the learning curve enters....

Happy Holidays....

burris

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:41:18 -0800, John Corliss

You mean it actually copies all Windows files ok? It doesn't on Win 2K
Pro. It consistenly fails to copy 20 protected files, as I posted
before.

Hi Art,

I haven't tried XXCopy on XP but I suspect that it does the same. That
is why XXClone needed to be written.

This is not an XXCopy problem. The majority of disk copy programs have
the same issue.

A huge amount of work went into creating XXClone. We are very
fortunate that Kan has provided us with a way to do a complete copy of
an XP system. For free to home users. Kan Yabumoto is one of the
giants of the freeware community.

Regards, John.

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[Art]

Hi Art,

I haven't tried XXCopy on XP but I suspect that it does the same. That
is why XXClone needed to be written.

This is not an XXCopy problem. The majority of disk copy programs have
the same issue.

A huge amount of work went into creating XXClone. We are very
fortunate that Kan has provided us with a way to do a complete copy of
an XP system. For free to home users. Kan Yabumoto is one of the
giants of the freeware community.

Right on! It is one of two apps that are on my "indispensible" list
for the NT based OS. The other gem is ERUNT.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[John Corliss]

You mean it actually copies all Windows files ok?

In M.E., the only things it won't touch are stuff in the _RESTORE folder
(the M.E. equivalent of the "System Volume Information" folders in XP)
and the swap file. However, if the drive it copies the files to was
originally fdisked and formatted while hooked up as a master drive, it
should be bootable. I've simply switched cables to such a drive and
booted from them with absolutely no problems in M.E. In fact, after
starting the computer the first thing that happens is that a swap file
is created and a restore point is set, both on the new drive.

It doesn't on Win 2K
Pro. It consistenly fails to copy 20 protected files, as I posted
before.

Thanks Art.

My intention in starting this thread was to get a discussion going from
a fresh start. Sorry I didn't clarify that. I think a freeware that will
easily do incremental backup cloning in XP should be on the group's
wishlist. Whether it alread is at this point I can't tell you, since for
some reason I'm unable to access the Pricelessware page for some reason.

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[John Corliss]

Hi Art,

I haven't tried XXCopy on XP but I suspect that it does the same. That
is why XXClone needed to be written.

This is not an XXCopy problem. The majority of disk copy programs have
the same issue.

A huge amount of work went into creating XXClone. We are very
fortunate that Kan has provided us with a way to do a complete copy of
an XP system. For free to home users. Kan Yabumoto is one of the
giants of the freeware community.

While I agree that it's a nice thing to be able to do an initial full
clone of a hard drive, you have to admit that if you did this on a
regular basis as a method for backing up your system, it would have a
seriously negative impact on your hard drive's MTBF. That's why I'm on
the lookout for a program that'll do incremental cloning. Failing in
that, I will go back to M.E. and consider my attempt to upgrade to XP a
failed experiment as well as a waste of money.

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please.

 

[John Corliss]

John....

I would again direct you to the very good xxcopy forum.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xxcopy/

There are some experienced users, including the developer, who would be
glad to answer your questions.

Sometimes, rather than asking around, hoping to find the answer, with a
little effort, you can learn quite a bit by searching it out yourself.

In previous post related to xxclone/xxcopy, you indicated that you are
becoming so frustrated that you want to go back to ME. I'm sure you
realize that MS simply put out this abomination as a delaying tactic
until they could complete XP.

You can call it what you like, but it's served me extremely well for the
last four or five years. And now that I have XP installed and beaten
into submission, (beaten and TORTURED!), I can see absolutely no
compelling advantage over M.E. Not only that, but I can see several very
serious *disadvantages* to using XP instead of older versions of
Windows. But I digress. This thread is for the discussion of XXCopy.

I think that if your system is set up properly, XP should do a good job
for you. I wouldn't bail out just because some program doesn't do what
you think it should. That's where the learning curve enters....

Happy Holidays....

Thanks Burris, but as I mentioned previously I don't want to have to
agree to a legal contract with Google in order to discuss something.

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[Daniel Mandic]

While I agree that it's a nice thing to be able to do an initial full
clone of a hard drive, you have to admit that if you did this on a
regular basis as a method for backing up your system, it would have a
seriously negative impact on your hard drive's MTBF. That's why I'm
on the lookout for a program that'll do incremental cloning. Failing
in that, I will go back to M.E. and consider my attempt to upgrade to
XP a failed experiment as well as a waste of money.

Hi John!



Sadly to hear that.

My Home Edition (retail) was very expensive, but it was the best
digital-thing-buy I have ever done before, repectively my 8bit Home
Computer. XP is more stable than NT4 (indeed)... it´s not faster (needs
a power-configurator ;-) to get so far), though I would say it´s faster
with Games - also DX3! It knows any format you wish, you are
data-compatible to Unix/Apache etc. Not to mention NTFS, that´s really
for weird data-juggler like me... I thought so often: Now it will crash
- I know this from AMIGA-OS, or Win95 and DOS.

I think with standard-PC´s (XP, Linux), only the UNIX-FS (HPFS or so)
can compare to NTFS. Although Unix (NetBSD I have in mind) I remember,
is making more extensive use of the FS, swapping etc. :-( What´s that?
O.K. O.K. I know why ... but NT5.1 makes also a pretty OS, as well
for geeks, gamer, compatibilitators (like me ;-) DOS-XP) and
fortunately plenty of freeware.


The new IrfanView!!!!!!!
RISC and all. Long live the i686 (I mean the real, not the P6-fart)



Kind Regards,

Daniel Mandic


P.S.: Merry X-Mas (Merry Christmas)

 

[David]

While I agree that it's a nice thing to be able to do an initial full
clone of a hard drive, you have to admit that if you did this on a
regular basis as a method for backing up your system, it would have a
seriously negative impact on your hard drive's MTBF.

Why? I do not think it would have any effect on when your drive was
going to fail. Spinning the drive up and down (stop/start) will
increase the wear on the bearings and the landing zone with possible
head damage but using the drive as it is intended to be used will not
necessarily shorten the life of the drive. Keeping the drive spinning
all the time will not shorten its life and should, in fact, assist in
prolonging it as no strain is put on the electronics of the drive
controller or the motor and surges are kept to a minimum.
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[Daniel Mandic]

Daniel Mandic wrote:

it´s faster with Games - also DX3! It knows any format you wish, you
are data-compatible to Unix/Apache etc. Not to mention NTFS, that´s
really for weird data-juggler like me... I thought so often: Now it
will crash - I know this from AMIGA-OS, or Win95 and DOS.

No, not DOS. But that Waterhead "Windows", makes weird things with FAT
and FAT32. NTFS is a must for computing. FAT is good for realtime OSes.
Windows Cut - Copy - paste etc.... XP makes things possible I have not
explored till now. Forget that DOSWindows 18bit systems for serious
computing.

Hey John... c´mon after that all stupid attacks to you. Not Meeéeeéh
At least Linux, or as you wish.






Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[John Corliss]

Why? I do not think it would have any effect on when your drive was
going to fail. Spinning the drive up and down (stop/start) will
increase the wear on the bearings and the landing zone with possible
head damage but using the drive as it is intended to be used will not
necessarily shorten the life of the drive. Keeping the drive spinning
all the time will not shorten its life and should, in fact, assist in
prolonging it as no strain is put on the electronics of the drive
controller or the motor and surges are kept to a minimum.

How can you seriously ask that question or imply that there is no
difference? Putting aside the blatently obvious fact that it's going to
take much longer to do a total clone than an incremental clone,
transferring copies of several tens of thousands of files is going to
wear out hard drives faster than transferring copies of say, only up to
a thousand. The read head pivot arm is obviously going to wear out
sooner. In fact, this is the part that's failed both times that I've had
to replace hard drives.

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[John Fitzsimons]

John Fitzsimons wrote:

While I agree that it's a nice thing to be able to do an initial full
clone of a hard drive, you have to admit that if you did this on a
regular basis as a method for backing up your system, it would have a
seriously negative impact on your hard drive's MTBF.

Sure, that's why I do incremental backups. It is also many times
faster than a full backup.

That's why I'm on
the lookout for a program that'll do incremental cloning.

XXClone does incremental cloning. Just send Kan his money and your
problem is solved.

The chances of a freeware program doing incremental backups,
as well as XXClone does, is just about zero IMO.

Failing in
that, I will go back to M.E. and consider my attempt to upgrade to XP a
failed experiment as well as a waste of money.

I have held off upgrading to XP until Kan finished his work. He is
about the only software developer I trust to properly copy the data on
my HDD and "get it right".

Regards, John.
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[burris]

Sure, that's why I do incremental backups. It is also many times
faster than a full backup.


XXClone does incremental cloning. Just send Kan his money and your
problem is solved.

The chances of a freeware program doing incremental backups, as well
as XXClone does, is just about zero IMO.


I have held off upgrading to XP until Kan finished his work. He is
about the only software developer I trust to properly copy the data
on my HDD and "get it right".

Regards, John.

John....

I couldn't agree with you more. You said it quite well.

As I indicated before, I was one of the original beta testers for Kan's
xxclone and did some testing with xxcopy previous to that. He has done a
magnificent job with his programs and that he provides them free with a
few limitations, is in itself great. His documentation is most complete
as well.

I find that among all the friends whose PCs I support, free of course,
that it is difficult for me to guide even the novices in a reasonable
direction. In fact, I can't get them to even try anything new, due to a
"possible" learning curve. These are my peers, mind you, and we are up in
the 70s.

I don't quite understand Corliss' reluctance to try something even if
the cost is nominal. The learning curve for simple cloning with xxclone
is a piece of cake. I'm also curious about his love of ME, since the
only reason I got to try it was as a result of buying a PC with it
installed. I couldn't wait to dump it and suffer with 98 until XP surfaced.

In the world of computing, anyone who doesn't understand what the
oxymoron called "standard" is about, will always be frustrated. On the
other hand, whatever a user is comfortable with for whatever reason, is ok.

If I couldn't constantly evolve and try and crash a multitude of
programs, I would be frustrated.

Happy Holidays To All....


burris

 

[John Corliss]

XXClone is not freeware.

That's a real nice thing to say in this group, John.

Well then, it joins the ranks of Truetype font editors and the like.

John....
I couldn't agree with you more. You said it quite well.

As I indicated before, I was one of the original beta testers for Kan's
xxclone and did some testing with xxcopy previous to that. He has done a
magnificent job with his programs and that he provides them free with a
few limitations, is in itself great. His documentation is most complete
as well.

I find that among all the friends whose PCs I support, free of course,
that it is difficult for me to guide even the novices in a reasonable
direction. In fact, I can't get them to even try anything new, due to a
"possible" learning curve. These are my peers, mind you, and we are up in
the 70s.

I don't quite understand Corliss' reluctance to try something even if
the cost is nominal.

Well then I'll explain.

1. I just upgraded to XP and am about a short centimeter from going back
to ME. That I can no longer do an incremental clone to my backup hard
drive is one of the factors in the LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG list of things
I've lost due to this upgrade.

2. This group is for the discussion of freeware. That others choose to
fall away from the meaning of the definition of freeware is their own
choice. I, however, refuse to do so. The non-pro version of XXClone is,
IMO, crippleware. There is absolutely NO WAY that it can be considered
to be true freeware.

Using this group to promote commercial software like XXClone Pro is
totally off topic. Period.

The learning curve for simple cloning with xxclone
is a piece of cake. I'm also curious about his love of ME, since the
only reason I got to try it was as a result of buying a PC with it
installed. I couldn't wait to dump it and suffer with 98 until XP surfaced.

I like ME because I was able to hammer it into shape. That you couldn't
or wouldn't deal with the issues you experienced while using it is your
problem. Simple as that.

In the world of computing, anyone who doesn't understand what the
oxymoron called "standard" is about, will always be frustrated. On the
other hand, whatever a user is comfortable with for whatever reason, is ok.

I am not comfortable with running a computer that doesn't have two
cloned hard drives. Anybody that is comfortable doing this is, IMO, a fool.

If I couldn't constantly evolve and try and crash a multitude of
programs, I would be frustrated.

Different people have different ways of evolving and trying new software.

Happy Holidays To All....

Bah, humbug.

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