XP Pro - SP3 Advice

[pjelliott]

Hi

I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
XP3 SP3 set-up.

I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:

1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);

2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);

3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
drive while in XP.

I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
please?

Many thanks all

Kind regards

 

[Mark Adams]

Hi

I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
XP3 SP3 set-up.

I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:

1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);

2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);

3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
drive while in XP.

I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
please?

Many thanks all

Kind regards

Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB device. Why
don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications there that won't run
in XP mode on the Win 7 box?

 

[pjelliott]

Mark

Space is the issue so I can't retain the old PC so I need to find another
way of running XP............

Cheers

 

[Bert Hyman]

In

I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and
confirmation that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC
while using any of the XP options mentioned above. Are there any
other options available to me please?

Try running VMWare Player on your Windows 7 system and install your XP
system into it.

http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

It's free.

 

[Mark Adams]

Mark

Space is the issue so I can't retain the old PC so I need to find another
way of running XP............

Cheers

If XP drivers are available for the Win 7 machine, you could set it up to
dual boot the two operating systems, or run XP from within Win 7 as a virtual
machine. Why are you replacing the XP machine? Because you also need Windows
7?

 

[pjelliott]

My XP machine is 9-10 years old and really starting to show its age. It
doesn't owe me a lot to be fair. I'm now doing a lot of photo editing and
stuff so the old thing really can't cope - really slow; hence the Windows 7
PC which has come pre-loaded with 7 Pro.

Is it possible to load XP Pro onto a new partition on a 7 Pro machine to
enable dual boot then? All the info/instruction I've seen so far suggests I
would need to have Xp Pro on 1st and then install 7 Pro onto a separate
partition to enable dual boot........

Cheers

 

[Db]

undoubtedly, if the xp
hard drive has your
data, i.e. files and folders

then you will need to
take that hard drive
out of the old pc and
install it as a slave on
the new pc.

that way you can access
the data via the new o.s.
----------

another option is that
you can connect both
computers as a network.
-----------
another option is
you could install a program
like virtual box in w7.

then you can install xp in
the virtual box,

then you can install your
programs in the virtualized
xp.
----------
lastly, it may have been a
better idea to upgrade your
old pc instead of buying a
new machine and a new
o.s.

it would have made things
a bit easier for you "and"
a bit faster.

perhaps, you might take
the new system back for
a refund and use the money
to upgrade your old system,

i.e., faster motherboard, more
ram, more hard drive and or
more video/graphics card.
--
--
db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx

 

[pjelliott]

Thanks Bert - I'll take a look at this; sounds a good idea

 

[pjelliott]

Thanks Db - I'm liking the sound of a virtual PC installation so I'm looking
into that.

Cheers

 

[BillW50]

In Mark Adams typed on Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:42:03 -0700:

Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB
device. Why don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications
there that won't run in XP mode on the Win 7 box?

Microsoft says you can't run Windows from an USB drive. But others found
out that Microsoft doesn't know what they are talking about. You can if
you modify the Windows registry. There are lots of how to's in a web
search.

 

[Bob I]

In Mark Adams typed on Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:42:03 -0700:



Microsoft says you can't run Windows from an USB drive. But others found
out that Microsoft doesn't know what they are talking about. You can if
you modify the Windows registry. There are lots of how to's in a web
search.

It works by disabling Windows from using USB as a Removable Device. And
since it would only be usable on one PC, and be slow as molasses in
January, that pretty much makes the endeavor merely "proof that it can
be done". Kind of like balancing a cell phone on your nose, entertaining
but otherwise pretty useless.

 

[pjp]

Think you'll find XP and presumably later OS's (as well as earlier) will
not/do not work from a "removable" device of any sort. Least not without
major changes to some "things". It wants a "fixed disk".

There's no way MS is likely to change this in any form because it would
directly affect sales, e.g. a "live" OS can be used on any pc so there'd not
even be a need to provide it with the pc when purchased as is the norm
today. Same if you could install it on a "portable" device of any sort, e.g.
you'd only "need" one copy and carry it with you, e.g. installed onto a 16
gig or larger thumbdrive would be wonderfull.

Note - it is what MS should do IMHO but they're too greedy to ever do what's
best for their customers and in fact take pains to prevent doing exactly
that.

 

[Mark Adams]

My XP machine is 9-10 years old and really starting to show its age. It
doesn't owe me a lot to be fair. I'm now doing a lot of photo editing and
stuff so the old thing really can't cope - really slow; hence the Windows 7
PC which has come pre-loaded with 7 Pro.

Is it possible to load XP Pro onto a new partition on a 7 Pro machine to
enable dual boot then? All the info/instruction I've seen so far suggests I
would need to have Xp Pro on 1st and then install 7 Pro onto a separate
partition to enable dual boot........

Cheers

I'm sure there is a way to shrink the Win 7 partition, then create a second
partition on the "recovered" disk space and then install XP on that
partition. You would then need to edit the boot loader or install a third
party boot loader so you can choose which OS to boot.

You might also consider installing a removable drive bay. Buy a second hard
drive and install XP on the second drive. When you want to change the OS,
shut the machine down, pull out the drive, insert the other drive and
restart. This offers the advantage that both OS install to C: since only one
drive is in the system at a time. Disadvantage is obvious too; can't share
data between drives when they are not both connected simultaneously. Drivers
still need to be available for XP to run on the Win 7 box.

 

[BillW50]

In Bob I typed on Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:05:45 -0500:

It works by disabling Windows from using USB as a Removable Device.
And since it would only be usable on one PC, and be slow as molasses
in January, that pretty much makes the endeavor merely "proof that it
can be done". Kind of like balancing a cell phone on your nose,
entertaining but otherwise pretty useless.

I have no idea if it does that too. But that would be a great idea since
a lot of applications won't install on a removable device anyway. But
the big problem the way I understand it is that Windows resets the USB
ports right in the middle of booting. And if it is booting from an USB
device, it is all over and it just sits there. Thus never finishes to
boot. Thus the fix is to modify the registry to not do that.

Oh you want Windows to run from an USB device and work on any computer?
Wow that is a huge order (and only legal with retail versions of
Windows)! But you can pull that off most of the time with using all of
the generic drivers like BartPE and WinPE does.

 

[PA Bear]

I hope this additional info will help

Ahmad AA
Windows 7 Professional Outreach Team

What a joke!

 

[Appmen Me]

You may consider to use WET (windows easy transfer) and PickMeApp: two free solutions to migrate from XP to Windows 7. WET may transfer your XP settings to Win 7 while portable PickMeApp tool may transfer programs from XP to Windows 7. PickMeApp claims to support unlimited number of programs.

 

[Bert Hyman]

In

I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and
confirmation that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC
while using any of the XP options mentioned above. Are there any
other options available to me please?

Get a free copy of VMWare Player and install your old XP system into the
VM.

If your old XP system is still alive, use the free VMWare vCenter
Converter to make a VM image of your existing system.

http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/overview.html

 

[VanguardLH]

pjelliott wrote something 5 months ago:


<snipped the belated reply from Bert>

After 5 months, I doubt the OP is still monitoring for replies to
his/her post. The OP probably figured out a solution long ago.

 

[Bert Hyman]

After 5 months, I doubt the OP is still monitoring for replies to
his/her post. The OP probably figured out a solution long ago.

Ha; wonder why it just popped up on my server.

Oh well; maybe someone else will find VMWare of interest; I certainly
find it useful.

 

[Tester]

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