xp is the gossip true?

[Guest]

i have heard through the grape vine that microsoft have had a change of heart
and now are not going to faze out xp?
all i hear is how bad vista is-plus major cash amounts in upgrading your pc
or buying a new vista computer.
enlighten me please someone.thanking you.

 

[Guest]

I bet MS would like to do that but how can they as long as people keep using
XP ?

 

[Guest]

thats just it mani .but no new computers will have xp on them only vista.plus
the cost of upgrading your (our pc"s) is costly.I have put mine together and
looking at hardware-graphic cards for instance=all vista then= ram
=motherboard (im ok in that department)im happy with xp.i have a second comp
with 98 on it also so i understand what your saying about if people keep
using it.the goss also said it involved the service pack2 updates for xp
becoming unavailable -but ms have decieded we can in the future purchase
updates for this.so im a little confused.

 

[DL]

Your grape vine is producing sour fruit

 

[Guest]

thanks DL.appreciated.cactiflower.

Your grape vine is producing sour fruit

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I have heard through the grape vine that microsoft have had a
change of heart and now are not going to faze out xp?

All I hear is how bad vista is - plus major cash amounts in upgrading
your pc or buying a new vista computer.

Enlighten me please someone.

Where do you get your technology news?
I suggest www.google.com whenever someone tells you something you are unsure
is true or not.
Research - the enemy of rumors.

Windows XP support *will end* - like all Operating Systems before it.

Can you keep using Windows XP indefinitely - without support?
Quite possibly.

That part depends on you, your equipment and the support that equipment
manufacturer decided to provide for legacy operating systems.

As far as the expense/issues people have with Windows XP - it is far from
uncommon with a new OS for many things to not be supported simply because of
the sheer number of variables. You have what motherboard with what video
card with what sound card and how much memory? You bought that when? You
have the 4th (of XX so far) set of drivers released for it installed? The
hardware manufacturer decided not to support said device in Vista?

Also - you have come to a help and support newsgroup. Very seldom do people
other than those helping others tout how well their system is working with
anything. They don't come to a support newsgroup to express their gratitude
for a fully functional system. It's a hospital for computer issues. They
come here to get help with their system.

Admittedly - the amount of good vs. bad publisity for Windows Vista leans
*way* into the bad. And the fact is that most older equipment won't run
Vista *well* - some (unsupported by the equipment manufacturer for Windows
Vista) - will not run it/with it at all. The latter is the case with most
new versions of ANY operating system.

You can always check out the life cycle of any Microsoft product (that has
gone into "RTM" status) here:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselect

Specifically - for your question:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3221

Windows XP
Generally Availability Date: 12/31/2001
Mainstream Support Retired: 4/14/2009
Extended Support Retired: 4/8/2014

Go here:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy

And read up on 'Extended support' --> which means you will still be getting
security updates at no charge. Which only makes sense and was really no
extra effort - since they will be providing the same for the business-class
Windows XP Professional - and most patches that apply to Windows XP
Professional apply to Windows XP Home Edition.

Now - as for Windows XP's *real* life - that doesn't depend necessarily on
support from Microsoft at all. Hardware vendors have a LOT of control.
They may choose to only release drivers for the latest operating systems -
which means your new XXXX may not function 100% under Windows XP (irony is
that a lot of older products don't currently function under Windows Vista...
*grin*)

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

i have heard through the grape vine that microsoft have had a change of heart
and now are not going to faze out xp?

You need a new grapevine.

*All* software eventually gets phased out. No company is going to
continue developing and providing updates for old products. As the
user base gets lower and lower, eventually there comes a point where
only few people still use it, and supporting it is no longer
cost-effective.

That's been true of every previous operating system, it's true of XP,
and it will be true of Vista. The only question regarding phasing out
an old version is "when," not "whether." And it does sometimes happen
that the dates originally announced get extended.

all i hear is how bad vista is

More nonsense. Whenever a new version of *anything* comes out, you
always read about people having many problems and how bad it is. But
realize two things:

1. If you're reading about problems *here*, this where people come
with their problems, not with their successes. You get a very
distorted view of what's going on in the real world here; as someone
once said, "hang around a transmission shop and you will think that
all cars have transmission problems."

2. Most problems, by far, that people report here have nothing to do
with defects in the software. They result from people's ignorance,
from bad or inadequate hardware, from poor drivers, from viruses, from
spyware, and so on. And except for very rare situations, they always
get a fix for their problems, and in most cases, that fix is a very
simple one to implement.

That's not to say that Vista is problem-free. No piece of software
anywhere near that big can ever be problem-free. However my experience
is that there have been remarkably few real problems, and none of them
are show-stoppers. Other people--depending on their hard hardware,
their application software, and the components and features they
choose to use--may have other experiences.

Personally, I find all the complaining about Vista you see here to be
very humorous. It's old hat. I've seen it many times before.

"I'm not going to use Vista. It's full of problems. I'll stick with
good old tried-and-true Windows XP SP2."

"I'm not going to use Windows XP SP2. It's full of problems. I'll
stick with good old tried-and-true Windows XP SP1."

"I'm not going to use Windows XP. It's full of problems. I'll stick
with good old tried-and-true Windows2000."

"I'm not going to use Windows 2000. It's full of problems. I'll stick
with good old tried-and-true Windows 98."

"I'm not going to use Windows 98. It's full of problems. I'll stick
with good old tried-and-true Windows 95."

"I'm not going to use Windows 95. It's full of problems. I'll stick
with good old tried-and-true Windows 3.1."

etc.

 

[Bob I]

Look around. You don't see anyone selling new computers with Windows
2000 or Windows ME. Nor do you see anyone selling new 2005 cars. Why do
you suppose that is?

 

[Alias]

Look around. You don't see anyone selling new computers with Windows
2000 or Windows ME. Nor do you see anyone selling new 2005 cars. Why do
you suppose that is?

Um, XP is more advanced than 2000 or Me (which never should have been
released). Vista is a downgrade from XP.

Why do you suppose that is? Money per chance, like with Win Me?

Alias

 

[Alias]

i have heard through the grape vine that microsoft have had a change of heart
and now are not going to faze out xp?
all i hear is how bad vista is-plus major cash amounts in upgrading your pc
or buying a new vista computer.
enlighten me please someone.thanking you.

XP will be around for years. Don't worry about it.

Alias

 

[Uncle Grumpy]

Look around. You don't see anyone selling new computers with Windows
2000 or Windows ME.

But there ARE new computers being sold with XP on them because of the
troubles Vista is having... see Dell.

 

[Bob I]

But there ARE new computers being sold with XP on them because of the
troubles Vista is having... see Dell.

But that is Dell customer service. MS will continue to sell XP licenses
for 1 year after the release of Vista, just like they did with Windows
XP and Windows 2000. That's the MS policy.

 

[Rock]

i have heard through the grape vine that microsoft have had a change of
heart
and now are not going to faze out xp?
all i hear is how bad vista is-plus major cash amounts in upgrading your
pc
or buying a new vista computer.
enlighten me please someone.thanking you.

Support for XP will end. You're grapevine is off base. Here are some links
from MS with info on XP's life cycle and the support time line. Nothing has
changed in that for XP Pro. A few months MS announced it would extend
support for XP Home to match XP Pro.

Windows Life-Cycle Policy
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy

Microsoft Support Lifecycle - XP
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223

Windows Service Pack Road Map
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/servicepacks.mspx

Major cash amounts to upgrade your PC? Well that depends on how wise your
purchasing decisions were in the first place. Buy something that is
marginal in ability, it will reach the end of it's useful life sooner, and
is less capable for upgrading. On the other hand purchase a computer with
an eye toward the future, with good hardware components and software, it
will last and be easily upgradable. Don't purchase for what you need now,
buy for future needs.

This system is 5 years old, runs XP and Vista in a dual boot and runs both
well. I boot into XP rarely, mainly just to keep it updated. There were no
major changes to the base hardware over it's life. RAM/CPU are the same as
when purchased.

The only hardware upgrade I decided to make for Vista was a different video
card to support Aero which cost under $60. The old video card ran Vista
just fine, just not w/Aero, but it was also developing a fan problem so it
was going to have to be replaced eventually.

I got lucky with the printer. It is very common for printer manufactures to
not support legacy hardware with drivers for a new operating system. On top
of it, this one is several generations old from the NT days but still runs
well. No drivers from the manufacturer for Vista, but I discovered a driver
for a different printer model/manufacturer worked.

Software wise a couple of XP system utilities needed a new version for
Vista - for drive imaging and disk partitioning. Along with Vista
compatibility came new features, so there was something to be gained for the
cost. All other software and hardware migrated just fine. So the cost of
migrating to Vista on this system was minimal. 5 year life span for a video
card - that's longer than would be expected under normal conditions, plus a
couple of new software products.

As to the bad press on Vista? As Ken said that's the norm for a new OS.
Yes there are problems/issues with Vista, mainly centered around problematic
or no driver support, poor hardware and trying to shoe horn incompatible
software. This can be dealt with by intelligent research prior to making
the change.

The release of a new MS OS brings out the slimers and trolls who look for
any opportunity to bash MS products or to bash what's new, for their own
personal agendas. Heck some of these folk haven't even used the OS, yet are
so vocal about it. What you don't hear are the many people who are using
Vista and love it. You never hear that. Bad news travels loud and fast,
good news, well how many ways in how many words can you say, it works well
and I like it?

The decision to move to Vista should be based on need and an eye to the
future. It is the future OS.

 

[Guest]

thank you rock. cactiflower

Support for XP will end. You're grapevine is off base. Here are some links
from MS with info on XP's life cycle and the support time line. Nothing has
changed in that for XP Pro. A few months MS announced it would extend
support for XP Home to match XP Pro.

Windows Life-Cycle Policy
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy

Microsoft Support Lifecycle - XP
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223

Windows Service Pack Road Map
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/servicepacks.mspx

Major cash amounts to upgrade your PC? Well that depends on how wise your
purchasing decisions were in the first place. Buy something that is
marginal in ability, it will reach the end of it's useful life sooner, and
is less capable for upgrading. On the other hand purchase a computer with
an eye toward the future, with good hardware components and software, it
will last and be easily upgradable. Don't purchase for what you need now,
buy for future needs.

This system is 5 years old, runs XP and Vista in a dual boot and runs both
well. I boot into XP rarely, mainly just to keep it updated. There were no
major changes to the base hardware over it's life. RAM/CPU are the same as
when purchased.

The only hardware upgrade I decided to make for Vista was a different video
card to support Aero which cost under $60. The old video card ran Vista
just fine, just not w/Aero, but it was also developing a fan problem so it
was going to have to be replaced eventually.

I got lucky with the printer. It is very common for printer manufactures to
not support legacy hardware with drivers for a new operating system. On top
of it, this one is several generations old from the NT days but still runs
well. No drivers from the manufacturer for Vista, but I discovered a driver
for a different printer model/manufacturer worked.

Software wise a couple of XP system utilities needed a new version for
Vista - for drive imaging and disk partitioning. Along with Vista
compatibility came new features, so there was something to be gained for the
cost. All other software and hardware migrated just fine. So the cost of
migrating to Vista on this system was minimal. 5 year life span for a video
card - that's longer than would be expected under normal conditions, plus a
couple of new software products.

As to the bad press on Vista? As Ken said that's the norm for a new OS.
Yes there are problems/issues with Vista, mainly centered around problematic
or no driver support, poor hardware and trying to shoe horn incompatible
software. This can be dealt with by intelligent research prior to making
the change.

The release of a new MS OS brings out the slimers and trolls who look for
any opportunity to bash MS products or to bash what's new, for their own
personal agendas. Heck some of these folk haven't even used the OS, yet are
so vocal about it. What you don't hear are the many people who are using
Vista and love it. You never hear that. Bad news travels loud and fast,
good news, well how many ways in how many words can you say, it works well
and I like it?

The decision to move to Vista should be based on need and an eye to the
future. It is the future OS.

 

[Rock]

You're welcome.[/QUOTE]

 

[Guest]

from now on all of your suggested sites.thank you so very much.
Where do you get your technology news?
I suggest www.google.com whenever someone tells you something you are unsure
is true or not.
Research - the enemy of rumors.

Windows XP support *will end* - like all Operating Systems before it.

Can you keep using Windows XP indefinitely - without support?
Quite possibly.

That part depends on you, your equipment and the support that equipment
manufacturer decided to provide for legacy operating systems.

As far as the expense/issues people have with Windows XP - it is far from
uncommon with a new OS for many things to not be supported simply because of
the sheer number of variables. You have what motherboard with what video
card with what sound card and how much memory? You bought that when? You
have the 4th (of XX so far) set of drivers released for it installed? The
hardware manufacturer decided not to support said device in Vista?

Also - you have come to a help and support newsgroup. Very seldom do people
other than those helping others tout how well their system is working with
anything. They don't come to a support newsgroup to express their gratitude
for a fully functional system. It's a hospital for computer issues. They
come here to get help with their system.

Admittedly - the amount of good vs. bad publisity for Windows Vista leans
*way* into the bad. And the fact is that most older equipment won't run
Vista *well* - some (unsupported by the equipment manufacturer for Windows
Vista) - will not run it/with it at all. The latter is the case with most
new versions of ANY operating system.

You can always check out the life cycle of any Microsoft product (that has
gone into "RTM" status) here:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselect

Specifically - for your question:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3221

Windows XP
Generally Availability Date: 12/31/2001
Mainstream Support Retired: 4/14/2009
Extended Support Retired: 4/8/2014

Go here:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy

And read up on 'Extended support' --> which means you will still be getting
security updates at no charge. Which only makes sense and was really no
extra effort - since they will be providing the same for the business-class
Windows XP Professional - and most patches that apply to Windows XP
Professional apply to Windows XP Home Edition.

Now - as for Windows XP's *real* life - that doesn't depend necessarily on
support from Microsoft at all. Hardware vendors have a LOT of control.
They may choose to only release drivers for the latest operating systems -
which means your new XXXX may not function 100% under Windows XP (irony is
that a lot of older products don't currently function under Windows Vista...
*grin*)

 

[Alias]

It is the future OS.

Not hardly. It's MS' last dying gasps unless they wise up and remove the
ineffective anti piracy programs and DRM crap. Wait until this time next
year when enough people have been conned into buying it to see how
successful it is. I predict this newsgroup will be inundated beyond
belief being as Ms chose to put their newsgroups in Windows Mail by default.

It will, however, provide a nice, temporary future for Windows repair techs.

Alias

 

[Guest]

shenan thanks for the link and advice-appreciated.cactiflower

 

[Bruce Chambers]

i have heard through the grape vine that microsoft have had a change of heart
and now are not going to faze out xp?
all i hear is how bad vista is-plus major cash amounts in upgrading your pc
or buying a new vista computer.
enlighten me please someone.thanking you.

You really, really need to stop listening to whomever is telling you
this nonsense.


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