XP is much quicker than Vista

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aftermath

I've been using Vista Ultimate now since the launch on one of my high end
PC's. If I switch over to the XP PC, which is a hp 3.2GHz P4, you realize
how slow Vista actually is. For example, if you open "Connect To" on a Vista
PC to connect to some of my VPN connections, it takes it's time. The XP PC
is instantaneous. I now find that there are allot of apps that exhibit the
same issues. I know Vista is pretty and all that, but it takes twice as long
to do the same thing as I did before.

PS, the high end PC's rating is 5, and that's because of the processor
having the lowest rating of 5 - (1.86 Core 2 Duo). Maybe it's going to take
time, SP1 might resolve these issues in the near future, but in my
professional opinion, Vista is slow compared to XP
 
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Dustin Harper

When XP was released, it would run on a Pentium 233. It would be slow. Heck,
it was slow on the top of the line PC's sporting the P3 550's with 512MB of
RAM. That was a top of the line machine. 5 years later, with a top of the
line machine, Vista runs ok. In 4-5 years, with new PC's and hardware, it's
going to fly.

You want to try something fun? Install DOS or Windows 98 on a Core 2 Duo. :D

Some things are slow because of driver issues, others because the software
is pushing the hardware (which is a good thing for progress!).
 
J

Jon

aftermath said:
I've been using Vista Ultimate now since the launch on one of my high end
PC's. If I switch over to the XP PC, which is a hp 3.2GHz P4, you realize
how slow Vista actually is. For example, if you open "Connect To" on a
Vista PC to connect to some of my VPN connections, it takes it's time. The
XP PC is instantaneous. I now find that there are allot of apps that
exhibit the same issues. I know Vista is pretty and all that, but it takes
twice as long to do the same thing as I did before.

PS, the high end PC's rating is 5, and that's because of the processor
having the lowest rating of 5 - (1.86 Core 2 Duo). Maybe it's going to
take time, SP1 might resolve these issues in the near future, but in my
professional opinion, Vista is slow compared to XP


It's slow out of the box, but then so is XP. If you want it to run lightning
fast then you need to tweak it.
 
W

William

I agree. I have XP and Vista running side-by-side. The XP is installed on a
pre Dou Core loaded Dell 3.6 machine about 2 years old, and the Vista loaded
on the newest high powered Dimention Duo Core. I twiddle my thumbs waiting
for certain apps to load up on the Vista machine while the load is
instantaneous on the older XP machine. I've tweaked it as best as I could
with the info available and I am still very disappointed.
I'd like to hear more about the "tweaks" Jon mentions.
 
J

Jon

William said:
I agree. I have XP and Vista running side-by-side. The XP is installed on a
pre Dou Core loaded Dell 3.6 machine about 2 years old, and the Vista
loaded on the newest high powered Dimention Duo Core. I twiddle my thumbs
waiting for certain apps to load up on the Vista machine while the load is
instantaneous on the older XP machine. I've tweaked it as best as I could
with the info available and I am still very disappointed.
I'd like to hear more about the "tweaks" Jon mentions.


I'll post some suggestions in. See above for a 'Speeding up Vista' thread.
 
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William

Jon, I followed your post "Speeding up Vista" line-by-line and made the
modifications you suggested after running a fresh WEI. True, the changes did
not leave Vista looking pretty, it confirmed there was no reason to switch
from XP. Take out the Security Center, Defender, Update, Aero, Readyboost
plus the slick graphics and Vista is nothing!

My computer was hardly flying. I did not notice the slightest change in
performance and in fact a post mod WEI yeilded EXACTLY the same results and
before the changes. Kudos to Microsoft for the stability in Vista for that
much.

I clicked on a JPG file and it took 20 seconds for Microsoft Office Picture
Manager (Vista version) to load up before the photo showed up on the screen.
I moved over to my older XP machine and did the same thing using the same
program (XP version) and Picture Manager was loaded and running in a
fraction of a second. I did this and several other performance comparrisons,
all with similar results. Several more tests like this were done after your
suggested mods with no noticeable differences.

As a devout Microsoft fan, user and stockholder, I am very disappointed to
say (from my experience) Vista gets two thumbs down. I have no doubt
Microsoft will eventually get this thing right, but it could take a few
years. In the meantime, XP works well and for a few bucks extra, one can buy
most of the same add-on utilities and features as are in Vista.
William
 
N

n00k

20sec to load a pic!!! My ystem took at the most 2sec and I'm running
Aero and all graphics jacked all the way up. Sounds like something
with your system, not Vista.


Can anyone honestly say Vista is the same, or quicker?
 
A

aftermath

It takes less than 1 sec on this PC, but there are other certain things
which take a lot longer (Read my 1st Post) Make no mistake, I'm not going to
go backwards, I like Vista, but I wish certain area's performed like XP
 
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Guest

aftermath said:
I've been using Vista Ultimate now since the launch on one of my high end
PC's. If I switch over to the XP PC, which is a hp 3.2GHz P4, you realize
how slow Vista actually is. For example, if you open "Connect To" on a Vista
PC to connect to some of my VPN connections, it takes it's time. The XP PC
is instantaneous. I now find that there are allot of apps that exhibit the
same issues. I know Vista is pretty and all that, but it takes twice as long
to do the same thing as I did before.

PS, the high end PC's rating is 5, and that's because of the processor
having the lowest rating of 5 - (1.86 Core 2 Duo). Maybe it's going to take
time, SP1 might resolve these issues in the near future, but in my
professional opinion, Vista is slow compared to XP
 
J

Jon

XP is undoubtedly quicker than Vista . I don't think there will be a way
around that. You'll never get extra functionality, without some performance
cost (assuming the same hardware).
 
G

Guest

I think that I would agree with you to some extent. I love Vista, have had no
problems with the OS at all, which I guess I should be thankful. I don't know
if its just my PC or if its just "luck" LOL
 
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Conor

I've been using Vista Ultimate now since the launch on one of my high end
PC's. If I switch over to the XP PC, which is a hp 3.2GHz P4, you realize
how slow Vista actually is. For example, if you open "Connect To" on a Vista
PC to connect to some of my VPN connections, it takes it's time. The XP PC
is instantaneous. I now find that there are allot of apps that exhibit the
same issues. I know Vista is pretty and all that, but it takes twice as long
to do the same thing as I did before.
All new Windows are slower than the versions before on the same
hardware.
 
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Dustin Harper

Are you saying that if I put Windows 95 that was built to run on a 486 and
up on a Core 2 Duo Quad, it won't be slower than Vista that was made to run
on modern CPU's!?!?!

Wow. If only everyone knew this fact!

--
Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

--
 
A

Art

aftermath said:
Can anyone honestly say Vista is the same, or quicker?

Not trying to be a fanboy or anything but I upgraded my laptop:

AMD Turion 64 (single core)
1 GB RAM
100 GB Seagate 5400 rpm drive
ATI 200M shared ram graphics (64 MB)

My rating was 2.0 because of the graphics. I posted to an ATI group and
someone running the chipset said it was fine and go ahead and turn on all
the stuff (this is Vista Home Premium). I have it running with all the
bells and whistles turned on and I honestly don't notice a speed difference
from XP SP2. All my 3000+ jpgs are on a NAS and I open the picture manager
and it pops to the large thumbnails. I double click a .jpg and it's in the
view within a second or two.

Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. I expected to have to disable alot
but I can even run Flip 3d with about 2 copies of and a few browsers and
other assorted stuff and the preview images cycle pretty good. I haven't
done any tweaks.

I guess that's why they say YMMV.

Art
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

Jon, I followed your post "Speeding up Vista" line-by-line and made the
modifications you suggested after running a fresh WEI. True, the changes did
not leave Vista looking pretty, it confirmed there was no reason to switch
from XP. Take out the Security Center, Defender, Update, Aero, Readyboost
plus the slick graphics and Vista is nothing!

If you just want to do the same things in the same way but faster,
then I'd agree with you. Vista's not a speed upgrade for XP.

For me, the slick graphics are the least compelling reason to go for
Vista, and there are things beyond those you mentioned, but the main
reason I'd use it is as a solid base for tomorrow's expanding hardware
and add-ons. So I'd not upgrade XP, but I'd want it on a new PC.

Your system is maxed enough for Vista to swim, and beyond the point
that XP would see much improvement with more - so I see your results
as reflecting a genuine best-case performance defecit. The only
factor that could tilt the table here, would be sucky drivers.
I clicked on a JPG file and it took 20 seconds for Microsoft Office Picture
Manager (Vista version) to load up before the photo showed up on the screen.
I moved over to my older XP machine and did the same thing using the same
program (XP version) and Picture Manager was loaded and running in a
fraction of a second.

Try Irfan View; it will prolly be way faster than both.
I did this and several other performance comparrisons,
all with similar results.
As a devout Microsoft fan, user and stockholder, I am very disappointed to
say (from my experience) Vista gets two thumbs down.

Speed is prolly the least important issue, in that it's the one issue
which will automatically improve from blind hardware progress.

The lesson has been: Do it RIGHT, even if it's slower. Think:
- Y2k
- innumerable HD capacity barriers
- RAM barriers
- timing ASSumptions invalidated by fast and different CPUs
- endless exploits due to poor or absent sanity-checking

When you take code that is "efficient" because it uses tiny bitfields
for addresses and performs no sanity-checks on inputs, and then add
kludges and protective layers to patch it up, you end up with
something that is not only slow, but flaky and a bitch to maintain.

OTOH, you may have new Vista drivers that are hopefully stable, but
which may not yet operate your hardware in the most efficient mode,
and they may still have debugging code and sanity-traps in place from
the development process. That, too, will improve with time.
I have no doubt Microsoft will eventually get this thing right

Maybe not. What's more likely to happen is that hardware will improve
to the point that the same-priced box in 2009 will be "fast enough".

What I hope is that with a more solid code base, we will have less
layers of paint and mascara barrier code added by that date.
In the meantime, XP works well and for a few bucks extra, one
can buy most of the same add-on utilities and features as are in Vista.

Sure, and that's what I'd do on an existing XP PC.


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Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use!
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:27:56 -0800, "Dustin Harper"
Are you saying that if I put Windows 95 that was built to run on a 486 and
up on a Core 2 Duo Quad, it won't be slower than Vista that was made to run
on modern CPU's!?!?!

The specifics vary. The generality is that an OS will run slow of
hardware that dates from when the OS was first released, run better on
hardware that's a year or two later, and prolly run really fast on
hardware that dates from the time that the next OS comes out.

On the right hardware, a new OS can be as fast or faster than on an
old OS on older hardware. In fact, the old OS may not run on the new
hardware at all; sometimes this being the reason why the OS had to
change, sometimes even within the same OS lifetime.

For example, Win95 SR2 was needed to support USB, AGP and "large" hard
drives; NT 4 SP3 for the same reason, and XP SP1 and SP2 were chasing
after "large" hard drives again (for new values of "large")

A new OS often has better awareness not only of scalability, but also
specifics of new hardware - such as new S-ATA modes, USB sticks, new
processor features e.g. dual-core, hyperthreading, SIMD, NX/DEP,
64-bit extensions, going right back to Enhanced 386 mode.

What ultimately kills an OS is an inability to use modern hardware
effectively, as much as anything else.


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Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use!
 
M

mbg

[.. cut ..]
Some things are slow because of driver issues, others because the software
is pushing the hardware (which is a good thing for progress!).

Not if it's not doing anything extra, or is doing things in the
background that I don't care about or would rather didn't exist :)

mbg.
 

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