XP Home - computer change

[Guest]

I bought a new computer a few months ago and bought & installed XP Home OEM
on it. The Motherboard recently packed in & (2 months later) the shop were
not able to repair it, so I'm claiming a refund on the entire purchase so I
can buy another one that works. (It's still under guarantee).

So having bought XP Home for this computer only, how do I proceed to install
it on the replacement computer? (Urgent!)

 

[Frankster]

Your refund for the original purchase will include the cost of XP OEM. Use
part of your refund to buy XP if your new machine does not come with it.

-Frank

 

[Guest]

I bought the XP OEM from a different supplier & installed it myself. The
computer supplier is hardly going to refund something they didn't sell
(though the related costs come to a lot more than just the computer..).

 

[NewScience]

OEM usually is sold based on the PC and with the PC.

Are you sure it is an OEM version and not a retail Version. It should say
so on the disk.
If you have never activated it thru MS and registered it, you probably can
install on the PC.

 

[Guest]

'OEM' versions are sold quite regularly separately from the specific PC
supplier, and it IS activated and registered. It's at that point that the
installed OEM is associated with that specific PC.

[I got it separately because I'm in France & French suppliers won't (don't
know how to / can't be bothered..) sell me an English XP, so I had the best
intentions of installing my own English XP. As it happened, I leapt on a good
price & accidentally ordered a French one in the end :-(.]

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I bought a new computer a few months ago and bought & installed XP
Home OEM on it. The Motherboard recently packed in & (2 months later)
the shop were not able to repair it, so I'm claiming a refund on the
entire purchase so I can buy another one that works. (It's still
under guarantee).

So having bought XP Home for this computer only, how do I proceed to
install it on the replacement computer? (Urgent!)

Unfortunately, the terms of the OEM license prevent you from doing this. OEM
versions are less expensive than retail versions because they come with
certain restrictions. You've just run into the most severe of those
restrictions. The OEM license ties that copy of Windows permanentlyto the
first computer it's installed on. It can never be legally moved to another
computer, or sold or given away. If the original computer dies, the license
to use Windows dies with it.

This is the main reason why I almost always recommend buying an Upgrade
version (which usually costs only slightly more than an OEM one) instead.
And contrary to what most people think, an Upgrade version *can* do a clean
installation, as long as you have a CD of a previous qualifying version to
show it when prompted to.

 

[Graham]

Unfortunately, the terms of the OEM license prevent you from doing this. OEM
versions are less expensive than retail versions because they come with
certain restrictions. You've just run into the most severe of those
restrictions. The OEM license ties that copy of Windows permanentlyto the
first computer it's installed on. It can never be legally moved to another
computer, or sold or given away. If the original computer dies, the license
to use Windows dies with it.

This is the main reason why I almost always recommend buying an Upgrade
version (which usually costs only slightly more than an OEM one) instead.
And contrary to what most people think, an Upgrade version *can* do a clean
installation, as long as you have a CD of a previous qualifying version to
show it when prompted to.

 

[Guest]

So by the same token, if I buy a spanky maple Lotus steering wheel for my new
grey Mazda, and the Mazda is returned to the dealer shortly after purchase
due to an engine manufacturing error... Lotus can tell me 'Nope, that
steering wheel was for the reject Mazda only - you're not allowed to remove
it before the car is scrapped.'..!?

I don't think Lotus would stand a chance in any court. I'm amazed that MS
can get away with that legally! It's just unbelievable!

 

[Rock]

So by the same token, if I buy a spanky maple Lotus steering wheel for my
new
grey Mazda, and the Mazda is returned to the dealer shortly after purchase
due to an engine manufacturing error... Lotus can tell me 'Nope, that
steering wheel was for the reject Mazda only - you're not allowed to
remove
it before the car is scrapped.'..!?

I don't think Lotus would stand a chance in any court. I'm amazed that MS
can get away with that legally! It's just unbelievable!

You paid a lower cost for the OEM copy. That's one of the reasons for it.
If you wanted transferability you should have purchased the retail copy.

 

[GHalleck]

So by the same token, if I buy a spanky maple Lotus steering wheel for my new
grey Mazda, and the Mazda is returned to the dealer shortly after purchase
due to an engine manufacturing error... Lotus can tell me 'Nope, that
steering wheel was for the reject Mazda only - you're not allowed to remove
it before the car is scrapped.'..!?

I don't think Lotus would stand a chance in any court. I'm amazed that MS
can get away with that legally! It's just unbelievable!

Lousy example. If Colin Chapman were still alive today, he would
have probably hauled you into a British court of law and sue you
for defamation of the Lotus brand. If you want a Lotus steering
wheel, the least you should do is to buy the Lotus Elan that comes
with it instead of the Mazda knock-off of a Lotus Elan known as
the Miata.

 

[Alias]

OEM usually is sold based on the PC and with the PC.

False. I have three computers with generic OEM versions on them and I
built them all myself.

Are you sure it is an OEM version and not a retail Version. It should say
so on the disk.
If you have never activated it thru MS and registered it, you probably can
install on the PC.

The OP said he had used it for two months. Duh!

Alias

 

[Alias]

'OEM' versions are sold quite regularly separately from the specific PC
supplier, and it IS activated and registered. It's at that point that the
installed OEM is associated with that specific PC.

[I got it separately because I'm in France & French suppliers won't (don't
know how to / can't be bothered..) sell me an English XP, so I had the best
intentions of installing my own English XP. As it happened, I leapt on a good
price & accidentally ordered a French one in the end :-(.]

MS, who stole Windows from Apple and Xerox, doesn't want you to
reinstall your OEM copy on another computer because they consider that
theft (go figure). You can, however, try to install it and see if it
activates on line, which it might if it's a very similar computer to the
one that got trashed. If not, use phone activation and LIE and say you
merely reinstalled Windows and have no idea why it won't activate and
they will activate it for you.

Now some holier than thou MVPs here who suck up to MS may say this is
unethical, criminal, yadda, yadda, yadda, but you DID pay for the copy
you have and some might think it criminal to say it dies with your first
computer.

Alias

"We stole Windows from Xerox before you did, Steve Jobs."

- Bill Gates

 

[Jonny]

I bought a new computer a few months ago and bought & installed XP Home OEM
on it. The Motherboard recently packed in & (2 months later) the shop were
not able to repair it, so I'm claiming a refund on the entire purchase so
I
can buy another one that works. (It's still under guarantee).

So having bought XP Home for this computer only, how do I proceed to
install
it on the replacement computer? (Urgent!)

If its a generic OEM installation, you can clean install on new PC. You may
be prompted to make a phone call in the activation process. At least its
worked that way for myself. No use of the prior PC is allowed in XP after
that using same license. Am surprised you didn't even try before making the
post.

 

[Bob I]

You seem to be a bit confused as to what you "bought". You "bought" the
rights to use a copy of Windows XP Home on a particular PC, the FIRST
one it is installed on. If you want to make a steering wheel analogy,
you would have paid to have the steering wheel permanently on the
vehicle, and when the car is scrapped out so is the steering wheel.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

So by the same token, if I buy a spanky maple Lotus steering wheel
for my new grey Mazda, and the Mazda is returned to the dealer
shortly after purchase due to an engine manufacturing error... Lotus
can tell me 'Nope, that steering wheel was for the reject Mazda only
- you're not allowed to remove it before the car is scrapped.'..!?

This is the main reason that OEM versions are considerably cheaper than Full
retail versions. If you don't like that restriction (and I don't either), I
recommend buying a retail version instead.

I don't think Lotus would stand a chance in any court. I'm amazed
that MS can get away with that legally! It's just unbelievable!

In that case, what I recommend is that you violate the license terms, tell
Microsoft about it, and try to get them to sue you. If your view of what
they can get away with is correct, you can win a fortune on the countersuit.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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[Alias]

You seem to be a bit confused as to what you "bought".

And that's exactly what Microsoft planned. MOST people have this strange
idea that when the go into the *software* dept. of a store or the
*software* section of a web site that they are, get this, buying
SOFTWARE! It's the old bait and switch scam.

You "bought" the
rights to use a copy of Windows XP Home on a particular PC, the FIRST
one it is installed on. If you want to make a steering wheel analogy,
you would have paid to have the steering wheel permanently on the
vehicle, and when the car is scrapped out so is the steering wheel.

How come this has to be explained so many times, Bob I? If the sales rep
or web page made it crystal clear that they are selling licenses, no one
would be asking about this over and over again, now would they? 'Course
if they did that, it would hurt sales so they lie and say they are
selling software and don't mention the word "license" once because they
know as soon as the mark clicks on I accept the EULA, they're off the hook.

Alias

 

[Guest]

--
www.traduisons.com

If you want to make a steering wheel analogy,
you would have paid to have the steering wheel permanently on the
vehicle, and when the car is scrapped out so is the steering wheel.

That's exactly the analogy (you do it better) - and we all know that
pre-Internet, the steering-wheel vendor would've just got his butt kicked
trying to sell such a no-brainer.

In that case, what I recommend is that you violate the license terms, tell
Microsoft about it, and try to get them to sue you. If your view of what
they can get away with is correct, you can win a fortune on the countersuit.

You do?

The whole point is, I don't want to violate anything. I shouldn't have to.
I'm sure MS would love to sue me as they don't make enough already (even
though their OS is 10 times the price of a whole Hollywood movie DVD that I
can play on ANY DVD player) - Probably another reason why, although I will
only ever run ONE computer, I am coerced into paying for TWO XPs. You don't
have to be Socrates to see that that is plain wrong.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

And that's exactly what Microsoft planned.

Oh? Name just one other software manufacturer who actually sells the
entire product, rather than licensing their property.

MOST people ....

I've a generally low opinion of people, but not even I would claim that
most people are too stupid to be allowed to make a purchase without
adult supervision, as you're doing..

... have this strange
idea that when the go into the *software* dept. of a store or the
*software* section of a web site that they are, get this, buying
SOFTWARE!

Again, Name just one other software manufacturer who actually sells the
entire product, rather than licensing their property.

It's the old bait and switch scam.

It's not scam, there's no bait and switch; it's common business
practice throughout the world. Further, the boxes are clearly marked
that only a license is being purchased. Anyone who thinks otherwise has
only himself to blame.

Alias

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[Alias]

Oh? Name just one other software manufacturer who actually sells
the entire product, rather than licensing their property.

Yeah, the corp. software boys all jumped on that bandwagon. Only
computer software has the caveat of you can buy it but we tell you what
you can do with it and if you don't behave yourself, we will take it
away from you.

I've a generally low opinion of people,

That's obvious. No wonder you're an MVP.

but not even I would claim
that most people are too stupid to be allowed to make a purchase without
adult supervision, as you're doing..

I'm older than you, chum.

Again, Name just one other software manufacturer who actually sells
the entire product, rather than licensing their property.

Oh, so the fact that they all do it makes it all right? I guess piracy,
with your "logic" is fine and dandy in Chine where "everyone does it".

It's not scam, there's no bait and switch; it's common business
practice throughout the world.

To say something is one thing when it's really another?

Further, the boxes are clearly marked
that only a license is being purchased. Anyone who thinks otherwise has
only himself to blame.

No, they are not clearly marked. Show one Big Store USA or Big Store
Europe that says they sell software licenses, not just software.

Alias

 

[Bob I]

If you want to make a steering wheel analogy,
you would have paid to have the steering wheel permanently on the
vehicle, and when the car is scrapped out so is the steering wheel.

That's exactly the analogy (you do it better) - and we all know that
pre-Internet, the steering-wheel vendor would've just got his butt kicked
trying to sell such a no-brainer.


perhaps I should adjust the analogy. You bought the steering wheel from
the Miata vendor as an option for 1/3 the cost of the Universal mount
model and you choose to buy it instead because it was a lot cheaper. Now
you could have bought the one that you could move from car to car, but
you elected not to.

In that case, what I recommend is that you violate the license terms, tell
Microsoft about it, and try to get them to sue you. If your view of what
they can get away with is correct, you can win a fortune on the countersuit.

You do?

The whole point is, I don't want to violate anything. I shouldn't have to.
I'm sure MS would love to sue me as they don't make enough already (even
though their OS is 10 times the price of a whole Hollywood movie DVD that I
can play on ANY DVD player) - Probably another reason why, although I will
only ever run ONE computer, I am coerced into paying for TWO XPs. You don't
have to be Socrates to see that that is plain wrong.


You had the option to buy a Version that could be MOVED from PC to PC at
a higher cost or to buy the constrained version for a lesser cost. You
simply bet on the wrong horse, you DIDN'T GET COERCED into anything.