X1300 performs worse than my gforce3

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W????n

I am just about stumped on this.

Visiontek X1300 with 256 GDDR-2 @ 533 MHz

I am not joking, my gforce3 with 128 memory is kicking this cards butt.

I have a K7N2 Delta ILSR Mobo
AMD cpu running at 2180 ghz
768 DDR RAM
Plenty of HD space


I am getting low frame rates in games(TFC,[TFC should be screaming!!!] CS
source, DOD source, etc.) and stuttering of the video.

Any suggestions?

I have tried the Omega drivers, the drivers that came with the card, and the
odngov drivers. All seem to work about the same.

Where is my issue with this?

Should run very well compared to gforce3.

Any ideas would be obviously appreciated!

WS


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W????n

W????n said:
I am just about stumped on this.

Visiontek X1300 with 256 GDDR-2 @ 533 MHz

I am not joking, my gforce3 with 128 memory is kicking this cards butt.

I have a K7N2 Delta ILSR Mobo
AMD cpu running at 2180 ghz
768 DDR RAM
Plenty of HD space


I am getting low frame rates in games(TFC,[TFC should be screaming!!!] CS
source, DOD source, etc.) and stuttering of the video.

Any suggestions?

I have tried the Omega drivers, the drivers that came with the card, and
the odngov drivers. All seem to work about the same.

Where is my issue with this?

Should run very well compared to gforce3.

Any ideas would be obviously appreciated!

WS

Sorry about the double post.

I am beggining to wonder if my power supply is just not quite enough. 350
watts.

Any ideas otherwise?
 
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DDC

I am just about stumped on this.

Visiontek X1300 with 256 GDDR-2 @ 533 MHz

I am not joking, my gforce3 with 128 memory is kicking this cards butt.

I have a K7N2 Delta ILSR Mobo
AMD cpu running at 2180 ghz
768 DDR RAM
Plenty of HD space


I am getting low frame rates in games(TFC,[TFC should be screaming!!!] CS
source, DOD source, etc.) and stuttering of the video.

These game use dx9
Any suggestions?

I have tried the Omega drivers, the drivers that came with the card, and the
odngov drivers. All seem to work about the same.

Where is my issue with this?

The $$$ spend
Should run very well compared to gforce3.

Any ideas would be obviously appreciated!

WS

It is known that nvidia give more fps but has more trouble to give
quality. But with today's video card the same thing apply but is
counter balance with technologies and all the option that you can get
in a video card. the card you mention is at the base of the new set of
video card from ati. The cheap one are x1300. i bet that you've bought
it for 30$

your gforce card was i guess a good card for it time and was using
directx 5 or 6, but here the x1300 use directx 9 witch ask for a lot
of power and capability to render an image per second.

Ie: your x1300 has ...
Bus Type PCI Express x16
Memory Amount (MB ) 256
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Clock Speed (MHz) 500
Engine Clock Speed (MHz) 450
Pipelines 4
Pixel Shader Processors 4
Pixel Fillrate 1.8 Gpixels
Geometry Rate* N/A


there are 3 main thing that you should look for
Higher is better...
1. the memory interface
2. the memory speed and the gpu speed "processor of the card"
3. the number of pipeline use in the card.
That part is really important.

It's like buying a car with a 4 cylinder vs one that has 16.
your x1300 is the 4 cylinder " is has 4pipeline"...

So your old card perform better because it use the directx version
that is supported like dx 5 or 6 vs your new x1300 that use dx9 witch
need power " the tree things mentioned". Games seems to work better
with the gf3 because they are built to fit whats in your pc. By this,
it using dx5-6 to complie with your old card and make the game run
smooter. The same thing apply to your new card. What you should do is
trying to set "in the game" the dx version to a lower one, by default
more than often it use dx9 in games. Ie: COD2 use dx7 and 9. dx7 will
be faster because it doesn't need much from recent cards. By that your
x1300 will have less trouble to get more frame per second, but again,
you will loose the eye candy of the game. in last ressort you should
try to lower the resolution of the screen in game like goin gfrom
1024x764 to 800x600 if the game handle it. Or removing all the extra
options.

Finally you get what you've paid for, that what i learn.


You should try something else like a x800 or a x1600xt or something
around 150$ us. They are good card for their price and has 12 pipeline
128bit/256bit memory interface and come in a variety of brand and
spec.

i hope it help you...
 
F

First of One

Can't say much except the usual:
- Install/update your mobo drivers. That's an nForce2 board, right?
- Reinstall games, or run the game's autodetect routine if one is available.
 
F

First of One

Looking at a previous post, it seems you messed around with ATiTool, right?
If the X1300 behaves the same way as the X1900, you may have been running
games stuck at the slower clock speeds normally used for 2D mode.
Ctrl-Alt-Del and make sure the program ATI2EVXX.EXE is running. If it's not,
reset the WinXP service "ATi Hotkey Poller" to automatic startup.

The X1300, no matter how castrated, should still be faster:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2552&p=8
 
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W????n

DDC said:
I am just about stumped on this.

Visiontek X1300 with 256 GDDR-2 @ 533 MHz

I am not joking, my gforce3 with 128 memory is kicking this cards butt.

I have a K7N2 Delta ILSR Mobo
AMD cpu running at 2180 ghz
768 DDR RAM
Plenty of HD space


I am getting low frame rates in games(TFC,[TFC should be screaming!!!] CS
source, DOD source, etc.) and stuttering of the video.

These game use dx9
Any suggestions?

I have tried the Omega drivers, the drivers that came with the card, and
the
odngov drivers. All seem to work about the same.

Where is my issue with this?

The $$$ spend
Should run very well compared to gforce3.

Any ideas would be obviously appreciated!

WS

It is known that nvidia give more fps but has more trouble to give
quality. But with today's video card the same thing apply but is
counter balance with technologies and all the option that you can get
in a video card. the card you mention is at the base of the new set of
video card from ati. The cheap one are x1300. i bet that you've bought
it for 30$


thx for the info!

The card was 150.00 if that makes any difference here.

i seem to have found a stable environment by lowering the performace
settings per sey.

I am now getting better quality without the stuttering situation being so
obvious.

I will try a few other things as well.

Thanks again for the input.

WS
 
W

W????n

First of One said:
Looking at a previous post, it seems you messed around with ATiTool,
right? If the X1300 behaves the same way as the X1900, you may have been
running games stuck at the slower clock speeds normally used for 2D mode.
Ctrl-Alt-Del and make sure the program ATI2EVXX.EXE is running. If it's
not, reset the WinXP service "ATi Hotkey Poller" to automatic startup.

The X1300, no matter how castrated, should still be faster:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2552&p=8

--
Checked out the program you mentioned and it is running.

See reply to DDC if you are interested further.

Thx for your input.

WS
 
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DDC

I've read the review of the 1300pro and find very strange that a 4pipe
card run so close to a x1600xt witch is 12pipeline like in the game
doom3. anyway the card is obliterate at higher resolution...

I suspect industrial conspiracy for r wallet.
 
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Pluvious

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|WS


I'm almost certain you knew this but I wanted to point out that if you left ANY
of the old Nvidia .dll's and drivers that the new ATI card will have 'issues'.
Its critical that you clean your system of all Nvidia stuff first.. then
reinstall the ATI drivers.

http://www.drivercleaner.net/

Pluvious
 
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Ian

Sorry about the double post.

I am beggining to wonder if my power supply is just not quite enough. 350
watts.

Any ideas otherwise?

Hmmmm! Well, you've jumped from an AGP4x card to an 8x, check that 8x is
set to run in the BIOS, that the aperture is matching the 256mb of your
card and it should be worth turning on fastwrites on a system like yours,
just for the hell of it. Update the mobo drivers, or at least the AGP port
driver, if you haven't. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the games you
mention, but I have known some games write a config file based on a
particular card and not update that file when another card is substituted.
In fact, I think someone else posted this too, clean out the configs and
reconfigure your games. I would expect you to lock-up/crash with
insufficient power, but 350w isn't a lot these days as you obviously
realise. I'm not going to repeat the other posters who advise you to clean
all Nvidia traces, but strictly speaking they are right, although I
managed it well enough with add/remove programs when I did it. There was
nothing left which caused me conflicts moving from a GF4 to a 9600 (some
time ago now!).


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Ian

You must be delusional!

My X1300 pro play these games very well.

That was useful. He's not delusional, but he does have a technical
problem. That's why he's here. Nobody is suggesting that the X1300 is dog
slow by design.


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Danny G.

Rod said:
My X1300 pro play these games very well.

I know it does not help but my x1300pro performs much better than I thought it would in games and has been trouble free,
 
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NoNoBadDog!

Rod said:
You must be delusional!

My X1300 pro play these games very well.

W????n said:
I am just about stumped on this.

Visiontek X1300 with 256 GDDR-2 @ 533 MHz

I am not joking, my gforce3 with 128 memory is kicking this cards butt.

I have a K7N2 Delta ILSR Mobo
AMD cpu running at 2180 ghz
768 DDR RAM
Plenty of HD space


I am getting low frame rates in games(TFC,[TFC should be screaming!!!] CS
source, DOD source, etc.) and stuttering of the video.

Any suggestions?

I have tried the Omega drivers, the drivers that came with the card, and
the odngov drivers. All seem to work about the same.

Where is my issue with this?

Should run very well compared to gforce3.

Any ideas would be obviously appreciated!

WS

Probably running it on a Celeron.

Bobby
 
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DDC

That was useful. He's not delusional, but he does have a technical
problem. That's why he's here. Nobody is suggesting that the X1300 is dog
slow by design.

It all depend on your kind of use, people tend to play their game at
1600x1200 or lower. The card must be maximised for 1024x764

1024x764 should be the maximum resolution that he can handle with hes
card and that at low details. hmm i'm not trying to say that hes card
is slow by design but it only shows...

maybe he could try 3dmark05 to see if it match a x1600 series card or
a 1800 one.

hl2 is not much demanding in video processing, try bf2, d3, q4, or
oblivion with directx 9.

and enjoy...
 
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Ian

It all depend on your kind of use, people tend to play their game at
1600x1200 or lower. The card must be maximised for 1024x764

1024x764 should be the maximum resolution that he can handle with hes
card and that at low details. hmm i'm not trying to say that hes card
is slow by design but it only shows...

maybe he could try 3dmark05 to see if it match a x1600 series card or
a 1800 one.

hl2 is not much demanding in video processing, try bf2, d3, q4, or
oblivion with directx 9.

and enjoy...

Sure. I can't imagine doing anything at 1600x1200 with his CPU (or my own
3200+), regardless of the GPU used, and that might be part of the issue,
but the OP was really only complaining that he can't even beat his old
card, and that just shouldn't be. Hence the troubleshooting posts
concerning basic settings and clean driver installs.



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DDC

Sure. I can't imagine doing anything at 1600x1200 with his CPU (or my own
3200+), regardless of the GPU used, and that might be part of the issue,
but the OP was really only complaining that he can't even beat his old
card, and that just shouldn't be. Hence the troubleshooting posts
concerning basic settings and clean driver installs.


i thought that i had the subject in good hand. he's card perform well
(gf3) because by default games use the available hardware in the pc
and by this adding a videocard that has hardware dx9 with only 4pipes
for the 3dengine, that, would prevent him from getting decent fps in
game and even lower frame rate because of the need of bigger card to
get all the needed power to get all the extra eye candy from games IE
cod2 witch is dx7 compatible and dx9. if you do the test with fraps
you would will notice a frame drop by going from dx7 to 9 and that at
all resolution.

so this is why he think it's video card give him less frame per
second. it because of the directx 9 engine implement in the card witch
is selected by default in games, thus, affecting the frame rate.

if the 2 cards were set head to head in dx5 or 6 maybe then the x1300
would win and that independently from what cpu he got.

i think he got an athlon xp 2400 or 2800 witch is 2gig of power
depending on the fsb. And that is more than enough for gaming, he
doesn't need a fx cpu to get decent frame rate. also he has 1gig of
ram so he is fine.

so in a matter of speeking you and i r write...
 
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