WTD: Delete program

[dadiOH]

I'm looking for a program to delete stuff. Delete, not scrub...all I
want is an app that will set the directory byte just like Explorer.

Tried SecureDelete, not what I'm looking for.

Reason I want it is because Explorer either hangs or is just painfully
slow when dumping multi-megs such as CD images. Also because when using
Shift + Delete it insists on asking me 2,3,4 times if I want to dump to
the recycle bin before it finally figures out I don't.

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[omega]

I'm looking for a program to delete stuff. Delete, not scrub...all I
want is an app that will set the directory byte just like Explorer.

Tried SecureDelete, not what I'm looking for.

Reason I want it is because Explorer either hangs or is just painfully
slow when dumping multi-megs such as CD images. Also because when using
Shift + Delete it insists on asking me 2,3,4 times if I want to dump to
the recycle bin before it finally figures out I don't.

I use deltree, via sendto. My pif (with close-on-exit props) in sendto,
it points to this bat file:

deltree/y %1

Limitation: It can only take a single object at a time. I've planned
on substituting something else for deltree here, prog which can receive
a plurality of objects in this role. But not yet got around to looking
into possible options...

 

[Zo]

I'm looking for a program to delete stuff. Delete, not scrub...all I
want is an app that will set the directory byte just like Explorer.

Tried SecureDelete, not what I'm looking for.

Reason I want it is because Explorer either hangs or is just painfully
slow when dumping multi-megs such as CD images. Also because when using
Shift + Delete it insists on asking me 2,3,4 times if I want to dump to
the recycle bin before it finally figures out I don't.

What system are using. I'm using Win98SE and when I right click on the
Recycle Bin Icon and select Properties, there is an option to select "not to
send deleted items to the Recycle Bin"

Zo

 

[jo]

I'm looking for a program to delete stuff. Delete, not scrub...all I
want is an app that will set the directory byte just like Explorer.

Tried SecureDelete, not what I'm looking for.

Reason I want it is because Explorer either hangs or is just painfully
slow when dumping multi-megs such as CD images. Also because when using
Shift + Delete it insists on asking me 2,3,4 times if I want to dump to
the recycle bin before it finally figures out I don't.

I would suggest using another file manager. Deleting large files is an
Explorer issue, I reckon.
I assume bad things will happen if I delete a large file in Explorer,
so only do it by accident

 

[dadiOH]

What system are using. I'm using Win98SE and when I right click on
the Recycle Bin Icon and select Properties, there is an option to
select "not to send deleted items to the Recycle Bin"

Except that sometimes I *want* to use the trash bin. 98SE

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[omega]

Except that sometimes I *want* to use the trash bin. 98SE

A second item there on recycle bin properties tab, global tab:

[ ] Display delete confirmation dialog box.

Shift-delete doesn't seem to hassle me with too many prompts. Trying
to pay attention just now (short simple run), this result:

No prompt on shift-delete of single object. One initial prompt on
shift-delete of multiple objects. Then tested a change of settings from
"use one setting for all drives," to "configure drives independently."
The results came out the reverse. (?)

I haven't paid much attention to the behavior over extended circumstances.
Besides, I'm not as serious a keyboard user as most around here. Often
when I'm deleting I'm drawing little rectangles around things and then
doing the context click of sending for delete that way.

I did manage to get some progress on my own question. A prog better
than deltree to use contextually. I found one that is happy to take
multiple objects as well as single objects. TDEL. I set it up with a
command to kill recursively and not prompt (tres /s /y %1...)

http://tutils.cjb.net/tdel.htm

What I haven't checked was whether there are filenames that make it
stumble. Over time with deltree, I had types of filenames it couldn't
handle. Usual source from website titles, making for weird chars in
the generated filenames, which deltree's dos brain couldn't deal with
it. TDEL might have the same limit, don't know. But it rarely comes up
much any more that I have funky names to deal with, esp. since I've got
out of the habit from years ago, of doing msie page & *.url save routines
w/o intercepting the naming.)

 

[omega]

I would suggest using another file manager. Deleting large files is an
Explorer issue, I reckon.
I assume bad things will happen if I delete a large file in Explorer,
so only do it by accident

I notice that w98's explorer tends to gets tired out if there is a lot
of major weight being moved in and out of the recycle bin.

I tend to skip recycle bin often, particularly when killing a sizable
directory, or large files. IOW, I take recycle bin out of the explorer-
recycle bin equation.

Jo, during your use of alternate file managers, are your deletes involving
the recycle bin or bypassing it?

 

[Doc]

I'm looking for a program to delete stuff. Delete, not scrub...all I
want is an app that will set the directory byte just like Explorer.

Tried SecureDelete, not what I'm looking for.

Reason I want it is because Explorer either hangs or is just painfully
slow when dumping multi-megs such as CD images. Also because when
using Shift + Delete it insists on asking me 2,3,4 times if I want to
dump to the recycle bin before it finally figures out I don't.

PowerDesk 5 (free) has 'delete to recycle bin' and straight 'delete'
buttons. Using WinME, I have never had problems deleting multi-megs at a
time with PowerDesk, but like you say Explorer chokes.

 

[omega]

PowerDesk 5 (free) has 'delete to recycle bin' and straight 'delete'
buttons. Using WinME, I have never had problems deleting multi-megs at a
time with PowerDesk, but like you say Explorer chokes.

How about, with PowerDesk as interface, when you're using primarily the
recycle bin, not straight deletes, for large data, both sending stuff to
it, as well as emptying it? Are you still free from any performance hit?

 

[Doc]

How about, with PowerDesk as interface, when you're using primarily
the recycle bin, not straight deletes, for large data, both sending
stuff to it, as well as emptying it? Are you still free from any
performance hit?

Thats something I haven't tried. Give me a few minutes and I will fill
up a spare partition with files, then delete using recycle bin, then
empty recycle bin. I will report back.

 

[jo]

I notice that w98's explorer tends to gets tired out if there is a lot
of major weight being moved in and out of the recycle bin.

Yep. Emptying the temp internet folder is a good one too.

I tend to skip recycle bin often, particularly when killing a sizable
directory, or large files. IOW, I take recycle bin out of the explorer-
recycle bin equation.

Jo, during your use of alternate file managers, are your deletes involving
the recycle bin or bypassing it?

I usually lazily hit the delete key and send to the bin. Other file
managers just don't fall over like Explorer does.

 

[omega]

Other file managers just don't fall over like Explorer does.

I'm attached to the Explorer, a matter of familiarity: sort of like when
you have a 15 y/old house pet, which engages in grouchy fights with other
animals, and has started to have little accidents all over your carpet.

 

[jo]

I'm attached to the Explorer, a matter of familiarity: sort of like when
you have a 15 y/old house pet, which engages in grouchy fights with other
animals, and has started to have little accidents all over your carpet.

I absolutely hate it. It is slower than anything else, bloatier, more
inefficient and feature poor.
I am going to try an experiment with this laptop though - it is a
fresh install of 98SE with IE removed using 98Lite
I notice that 98Lite has an option to replace Explorer 98 with the one
off Win95. I wonder if that will make a difference...

 

[dadiOH]

I did manage to get some progress on my own question. A prog better
than deltree to use contextually. I found one that is happy to take
multiple objects as well as single objects. TDEL. I set it up with a
command to kill recursively and not prompt (tres /s /y %1...)

http://tutils.cjb.net/tdel.htm

Thanks, that looks like it might have merit. I'll try it as soon as I
dump the spyware (Windows ControlAd) that the page gifts one with

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[Zo]

Except that sometimes I *want* to use the trash bin. 98SE

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Then perhaps maybe one of the methods found here will help.

http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article01-006


Zo

 

[ms]

I'm attached to the Explorer, a matter of familiarity: sort of like when
you have a 15 y/old house pet, which engages in grouchy fights with other
animals, and has started to have little accidents all over your carpet.

You've probably know about it, but I'm a fan of 2XExplorer, been using it for
about 5 years. It's old now, but IMO a big advantage over Explorer. Yes, every so
often I have to put newspapers in corners, but a quick reinstall solves it. Once I
got used to a 3-pane view, I never went back. Still need Explorer to change file
associations.

Mike Sa

 

[omega]

http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article01-006

One thing they mention there is that really obnoxious extra nag for when
a file has an .exe extension. (If so adamant about warning based on any
extension, then should have at least set it at something towards the
inverse of that. ie, for unique user documents, as opposed to carbon
copy exe files.)

Then the message itself, it's like one retard addressing another:
___________________________________________________________________
| The file xxx.exe is a program.
|
| If you remove it, you will no longer be able to run this program
| or edit some documents. Are you sure you want to delete it?
___________________________________________________________________

Fortunately, I haven't had to see that irritating message in some while.
It seems to not come up on my local drive (where recycle bin delete
confirmation is off).

Yet, on my removable drive, where recycle bin is not supported, that
awful nag does come up from hitting delete from explorer menu, as well
as even keyboard shift-delete. This was the primary reason I'd switched
to using deltree in sendto, to avoid that obnoxious nags.

(Also because of a general feeling that I was getting a performance hit
when using Windows delete heavily on that drive. Although that's one of
those things that's really hard to be sure about, just hunch.)

 

[omega]

(That command should have read "tdel /s /y " --spellcheck had "fixed" the
program name to the strange new form.)

Thanks, that looks like it might have merit.

I just noticed that I have a bit more rtfm'ing to do. When deleting a file
which is the only one in a folder, it automatically finishes by deleting
that folder. Some would want that feature; but I don't, so will have to
go read up, and see what other unexpected behavior occurs by default and
which switches for override.

If this program does prove worthy, then it should be handy to take advantage
of FastExplorer submenu for it. I deliberately avoided putting the deltree
action on my regular explorer menu, as it would have been too easy for
me to be aiming for a neighbor command and occasionally hit it instead.
I've kept it at the bottom of sendto, via naming zdeltree, and don't
have misfires there. On a special FastExplorer submenu, that would feel
safe to me, too.

I'll try it as soon as I dump the spyware (Windows ControlAd) that the
page gifts one with

I would have made mention of it, but was not aware of it. In MSIE, my
permissions are all defaulted to off; and in Kmeleon, .js is allowed
to run, but there it has not to date given me any ill side-effect.

It does seem that a lot of the free hosting places attempt to engage
in sleazy behavior. I cannot recall why, but also sort of have some
vague negative associations about cjb.net in particular...

 

[omega]

Thanks, that looks like it might have merit. I'll try it as soon as I
dump the spyware (Windows ControlAd) that the page gifts one with

You know, I've gone back and glanced at the pages (cjb as address and also
http://www.utopiatemple.com/tutils/tdel.htm), with text ed, and everything
looks very clean. Not a touch of .js or anything. Where do you connect that
the site would load spyware?

 

[dadiOH]

I would have made mention of it, but was not aware of it.

NP

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