WPA info & program?

[WPA question]

Is there a program that can give me some info on my WPA
config?

Like what the values / strings are that the wpa uses.
What the hashes are.

And importantly, what date those were last changed and how
many more days until they reset.

A few months ago I was playing with some borrowed hardware
and I'm wanting to do so again, but I'd rather wait until
I'm sure the wpa counters have reset.

I took a look on the web, but I don't see any information
on what data is in the wpa and how to extract it. No info
at all, which was surprising. Yes, I know it's encrypted,
but the xpinfo program proves you can get at least some
info out of it.

The old xpinfo program doesn't give the info I need, and
the xpdec program doesn't work at all with xp-sp1a.


Also, does anybody know what was actually changed in the
WPA for xp sp1? Microsoft has a doc that said changes
were made, but it doesn't really go into details.

Were the weighting changed? Where other things added?
Were things removed? It doesn't say. All the web info is
for the pre-release version of XP and doesn't talk at all
about sp1 (or the upcoming sp2).

Some changes were obviously made, since the original
xpinfo & xpdec programs don't work with sp1. But nobody
says what the changes were.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

[Courtesy of MS-MVP Alex Nichol]

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


| Is there a program that can give me some info on my WPA
| config?
|
| Like what the values / strings are that the wpa uses.
| What the hashes are.
|
| And importantly, what date those were last changed and how
| many more days until they reset.
|
| A few months ago I was playing with some borrowed hardware
| and I'm wanting to do so again, but I'd rather wait until
| I'm sure the wpa counters have reset.
|
| I took a look on the web, but I don't see any information
| on what data is in the wpa and how to extract it. No info
| at all, which was surprising. Yes, I know it's encrypted,
| but the xpinfo program proves you can get at least some
| info out of it.
|
| The old xpinfo program doesn't give the info I need, and
| the xpdec program doesn't work at all with xp-sp1a.
|
|
| Also, does anybody know what was actually changed in the
| WPA for xp sp1? Microsoft has a doc that said changes
| were made, but it doesn't really go into details.
|
| Were the weighting changed? Where other things added?
| Were things removed? It doesn't say. All the web info is
| for the pre-release version of XP and doesn't talk at all
| about sp1 (or the upcoming sp2).
|
| Some changes were obviously made, since the original
| xpinfo & xpdec programs don't work with sp1. But nobody
| says what the changes were.
|

 

[WPA Question]

Thank you for the response, but unfortunately it doesn't
answer my questions, and it doesn't help me in any way to
find out how many more days I have to wait for my WPA
clock counters to reset before I can play with my hardware
again without worrying about re-activation.

(Yes yes, I know, use Ghost etc. to back up my drive,
play, then restore the image. Blah blah blah. But that
doesn't answer my question about how to find out how many
days are left.)

But anyway, thank you for the link.

 

[Brian C]

I know the allowed a little more hardware chages with xp sp1.
Also, the added a 3 day window to activate xp after a major hardware
changes.

That's all I know.

 

[kurttrail]

Is there a program that can give me some info on my WPA
config?

Like what the values / strings are that the wpa uses.
What the hashes are.

And importantly, what date those were last changed and how
many more days until they reset.

A few months ago I was playing with some borrowed hardware
and I'm wanting to do so again, but I'd rather wait until
I'm sure the wpa counters have reset.

I took a look on the web, but I don't see any information
on what data is in the wpa and how to extract it. No info
at all, which was surprising. Yes, I know it's encrypted,
but the xpinfo program proves you can get at least some
info out of it.

The old xpinfo program doesn't give the info I need, and
the xpdec program doesn't work at all with xp-sp1a.


Also, does anybody know what was actually changed in the
WPA for xp sp1? Microsoft has a doc that said changes
were made, but it doesn't really go into details.

Were the weighting changed? Where other things added?
Were things removed? It doesn't say. All the web info is
for the pre-release version of XP and doesn't talk at all
about sp1 (or the upcoming sp2).

Some changes were obviously made, since the original
xpinfo & xpdec programs don't work with sp1. But nobody
says what the changes were.

There are no counters on your computer. Once you change more than the
amount of change that PA allows, you are prompted to reactivate within a
three day grace period [SP1 only, Pre-SP1 you will be locked out
immediately]. If it has been more than 120 days then activation will go
through over the internet through MS's PA servers, if it has been less than
120 days, then you'll have phone up to get activated because the PA server
won't activate you over the internet. The counters are on MS's PA server.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

If you bothered to read the article I referenced, all the answers
to your questions are given therein. There is no time restriction
as such for installing new hardware. If you are prompted to reactivate,
and cannot do so via the internet, then use the option to "activate by
telephone" to obtain a new activation code (free). It takes about 5 minutes.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


| Thank you for the response, but unfortunately it doesn't
| answer my questions, and it doesn't help me in any way to
| find out how many more days I have to wait for my WPA
| clock counters to reset before I can play with my hardware
| again without worrying about re-activation.
|
| (Yes yes, I know, use Ghost etc. to back up my drive,
| play, then restore the image. Blah blah blah. But that
| doesn't answer my question about how to find out how many
| days are left.)
|
| But anyway, thank you for the link.

 

[kurttrail]

Is there a program that can give me some info on my WPA
config?

Like what the values / strings are that the wpa uses.
What the hashes are.

And importantly, what date those were last changed and how
many more days until they reset.

A few months ago I was playing with some borrowed hardware
and I'm wanting to do so again, but I'd rather wait until
I'm sure the wpa counters have reset.

I took a look on the web, but I don't see any information
on what data is in the wpa and how to extract it. No info
at all, which was surprising. Yes, I know it's encrypted,
but the xpinfo program proves you can get at least some
info out of it.

The old xpinfo program doesn't give the info I need, and
the xpdec program doesn't work at all with xp-sp1a.


Also, does anybody know what was actually changed in the
WPA for xp sp1? Microsoft has a doc that said changes
were made, but it doesn't really go into details.

Were the weighting changed? Where other things added?
Were things removed? It doesn't say. All the web info is
for the pre-release version of XP and doesn't talk at all
about sp1 (or the upcoming sp2).

Some changes were obviously made, since the original
xpinfo & xpdec programs don't work with sp1. But nobody
says what the changes were.

There are no counters on your computer. Once you change more than the
amount of change that PA allows, you are prompted to reactivate
within a three day grace period [SP1 only, Pre-SP1 you will be locked
out immediately]. If it has been more than 120 days then activation
will go through over the internet through MS's PA servers, if it has
been less than 120 days, then you'll have phone up to get activated
because the PA server won't activate you over the internet. The
counters are on MS's PA server.

120 days from previous activation.

--
Peace!
Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[WPA Question]

I think something else has changed, too.

I don't have a great deal of spare hardware to test this,
but it seems that it's not as concerned about the cd drive
as it used to be, and more concerned about memory.

For example, in one test, I changed the cd drive and there
wasn't an re-activateion request. I restored the image
and changed the memory and this time there was a re-
activation request.

That cd drive hadn't been changed before, so it should
have triggered it. But it didn't. A memory change did,
though.

 

[WPA Counter]

There are no counters on your computer. Once you change
more than the

amount of change that PA allows, you are prompted to reactivate within a
three day grace period [SP1 only, Pre-SP1 you will be locked out
immediately]. If it has been more than 120 days then

activation will go

After 120 days, it resets automatically. It doesn't need
to re-activate. Then you can change your hardware again.
(If you are a 'power user', you can activate over the net
radically different hardware every so often. But that's
not what I'm talking about.)

It has to keep that day counter somewhere on the computer,
other than the filedate of wpa.dbl.

That's what I need to know.

 

[WPA Question]

-----Original Message-----

If you bothered to read the article I referenced, all the answers
to your questions are given therein. There is no time

restriction

I *DID* read the article. I read that article (and many
others) long before I ever posted my question. I found
your particular one rather lacking compared to some I read.

That's why I was able to reply to your message so quickly.

as such for installing new hardware. If you are prompted to reactivate,
and cannot do so via the internet, then use the option to "activate by
telephone" to obtain a new activation code (free). It

takes about 5 minutes.

I know how to activate. That's not the issue. (Although
I admit I despise having to beg microsoft just to run an
expensive OS that paid for.)

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

When I recently called for a new activation code,
the entire transaction was via automated telephone prompting
with no "live" human intervention.

From start to finish it took about 5 minutes.
No "begging" was required.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

|
| I know how to activate. That's not the issue. (Although
| I admit I despise having to beg microsoft just to run an
| expensive OS that paid for.)

 

[kurttrail]

There are no counters on your computer. Once you change more than
the amount of change that PA allows, you are prompted to reactivate
within a three day grace period [SP1 only, Pre-SP1 you will be
locked out immediately]. If it has been more than 120 days then
activation will go

After 120 days, it resets automatically.

Yes, on MS's activation server, not on your computer.

It doesn't need
to re-activate.

Says who? Please substantiate your premise.

Then you can change your hardware again.
(If you are a 'power user', you can activate over the net
radically different hardware every so often. But that's
not what I'm talking about.)

It has to keep that day counter somewhere on the computer,
other than the filedate of wpa.dbl.

There is no hardware reset quality of PA on your computer, and the changes
are cumlative for the life of that particular installation.

That's what I need to know.

There is nothing to know. There is no hardware reset based on length of
time in PA on your computer.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Brian C]

That information is hidden on purpose. So you could not reset
yourself. (Mike going to getting on me for saying this). You could
try contacting the guy who made the reset patch. Regardless a lot
of people already know about this. It all over cnet news & other
website.


Brian C.

 

[kurttrail]

That information is hidden on purpose. So you could not reset
yourself. (Mike going to getting on me for saying this). You could
try contacting the guy who made the reset patch. Regardless a lot
of people already know about this. It all over cnet news & other
website.


Brian C.

I believe the reset crack for PA is to reset the 30 day clock for initial
activation, not to reset the hardware change count.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Michael Stevens]

I believe the reset crack for PA is to reset the 30 day clock for initial
activation, not to reset the hardware change count.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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Michaels reply:
You give good information freely, but when you are confronted and have no
real answer you become an as*hole. Why do you do this? It must be ego
driven, because there is no other reason to drege up denigrating posts from
2 yrs ago like the one below you posted as a recent reply to a
confrontational thread between yourself and I that I thought you would have
the integrity to use your intellect rather than your crass as*hole
mentality.

<snip> Your reply pasting text from posts that are two years old and if
anyone really looks at the alleged accusation that I was lying would see it
was a misunderstanding that kurttrail used as a unjust assessment of the
entire thread. See the below and you will see his agenda.



Ok, I lied. Sue me!

I have some more to say, and I'm not gonna let even my own words stand
in the way! <vbg>

"In this thread as well as in the 'licensing' one, and all the others
I've read for that matter, I think kurt won the legitimate argument
early on. Then you switched to the strategy of slyly mischaracterizing
something he had said, which gets him every time, and makes him look
like an angry person. At the end of the resulting spiral of posts, the
points are forgotten and you play the part of a frustrated rational
person bowing out of the situation. I've never been clear on what
trolling is. Is that trolling?" - Fred Retread [
http://www.microscum.com/mlslies/ - Post # 42 ]

I have the ability to learn from the constructive criticism of others.
I'm not going to appear as blowing my top with you over your deliberate
mischaracterizations, and will learn from my past mistakes, before this
degenerates further into the madness [mine apparently is anger, yours
obviously is lunacy], as seen at the above link. So I'm just gonna jump
over the middle part, and just skip to the part where we've forgotten
what the point is, [obviously you already have anyway] and I just let
you squeal over what a horrible person I am! <vbg>

"I f*ck you're dead daddy's diseased skull, and when I'm done I let my
dog f*ck you're dead daddy's diseased skull too! ;^)"

Squeal away, Mikey! PSML!

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Peace!
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Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

<end>

 

[kurttrail]

Michaels reply:
You give good information freely, but when you are confronted and
have no real answer you become an as*hole.

When haven't I had an answered? I had already answered all your
mischaracterizations previously in the thread, "Creating system recovery
disc," and I felt no need to repeat myself just because you repeated and
expanded on them.

Why do you do this?

Because it is a waste of time argueing with you once you start perverting
reality. Even this reply is a waste, but just on the off chance that
somebody other than you cares, about all this, I'm just putting this in some
context.

It
must be ego driven, because there is no other reason to drege up
denigrating posts from 2 yrs ago like the one below you posted as a
recent reply to a confrontational thread between yourself and I that
I thought you would have the integrity to use your intellect rather
than your crass as*hole mentality.

I brought up an unbiased look at our newsgroup "relationship," from Fred
Retread. That it is NEARLY 2 years old, doesn't make it any less valid
today. I refuse to repeat myself over & over again answering your sly
mischaracterizations in an effort to get me to appear angry. I've learned
from Fred's constructive criticism.

<snip> Your reply pasting text from posts that are two years old and
if anyone really looks at the alleged accusation that I was lying
would see it was a misunderstanding that kurttrail used as a unjust
assessment of the entire thread. See the below and you will see his
agenda.

For anyone that really cares, and I really do suspect that Mike is the only
one that really does, please read this in the context of the whole thread,
and see for yourself, if Fred's criticism from nearly two years ago is or
isn't still applicable today.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...=4b0201c42bfd%24abdeeb90%24a101280a%40phx.gbl

Ok, I lied. Sue me!

I have some more to say, and I'm not gonna let even my own words stand
in the way! <vbg>

"In this thread as well as in the 'licensing' one, and all the others
I've read for that matter, I think kurt won the legitimate argument
early on. Then you switched to the strategy of slyly
mischaracterizing something he had said, which gets him every time,
and makes him look
like an angry person. At the end of the resulting spiral of posts,
the points are forgotten and you play the part of a frustrated
rational
person bowing out of the situation. I've never been clear on what
trolling is. Is that trolling?" - Fred Retread [
http://www.microscum.com/mlslies/ - Post # 42 ]

I have the ability to learn from the constructive criticism of others.
I'm not going to appear as blowing my top with you over your
deliberate mischaracterizations, and will learn from my past
mistakes, before this degenerates further into the madness [mine
apparently is anger, yours obviously is lunacy], as seen at the above
link. So I'm just gonna jump over the middle part, and just skip to
the part where we've forgotten
what the point is, [obviously you already have anyway] and I just let
you squeal over what a horrible person I am! <vbg>

"I f*ck you're dead daddy's diseased skull, and when I'm done I let my
dog f*ck you're dead daddy's diseased skull too! ;^)"

Squeal away, Mikey! PSML!

Squeal away! I was laughing so hard I even miss-spelled PMSL! But the
funniest part is that Mike had to export his squealing to another thread!
ROFL!

--
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Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Alex Nichol]

Is there a program that can give me some info on my WPA
config?

Like what the values / strings are that the wpa uses.
What the hashes are.

And importantly, what date those were last changed and how
many more days until they reset.

A few months ago I was playing with some borrowed hardware
and I'm wanting to do so again, but I'd rather wait until
I'm sure the wpa counters have reset.

Read up my page www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm for background.

The important date is the one when you last did an activation at the
activation center. It is 120 days after that when the record there gets
cleared and you can start over afresh. No dates are kept against
individual items: if you boot and the system does not discover the
proper device in any category, then that categories vote gets lost -
even if you put things back as they were.

 

[Alex Nichol]

After 120 days, it resets automatically. It doesn't need
to re-activate. Then you can change your hardware again.
(If you are a 'power user', you can activate over the net
radically different hardware every so often. But that's
not what I'm talking about.)

It has to keep that day counter somewhere on the computer,
other than the filedate of wpa.dbl.

No - it is the activation center that is concerned there. An activation
record there gets deleted after 120 days since it was last updated - and
that date is kept there, not on your machine

 

[Michael Stevens]

Michaels reply:
You give good information freely, but when you are confronted and
have no real answer you become an as*hole.

When haven't I had an answered? I had already answered all your
mischaracterizations previously in the thread, "Creating system recovery
disc," and I felt no need to repeat myself just because you repeated and
expanded on them.

Why do you do this?

Because it is a waste of time argueing with you once you start perverting
reality. Even this reply is a waste, but just on the off chance that
somebody other than you cares, about all this, I'm just putting this in
some
context.

It
must be ego driven, because there is no other reason to drege up
denigrating posts from 2 yrs ago like the one below you posted as a
recent reply to a confrontational thread between yourself and I that
I thought you would have the integrity to use your intellect rather
than your crass as*hole mentality.

I brought up an unbiased look at our newsgroup "relationship," from Fred
Retread. That it is NEARLY 2 years old, doesn't make it any less valid
today. I refuse to repeat myself over & over again answering your sly
mischaracterizations in an effort to get me to appear angry. I've learned
from Fred's constructive criticism.

<snip> Your reply pasting text from posts that are two years old and
if anyone really looks at the alleged accusation that I was lying
would see it was a misunderstanding that kurttrail used as a unjust
assessment of the entire thread. See the below and you will see his
agenda.

For anyone that really cares, and I really do suspect that Mike is the
only
one that really does, please read this in the context of the whole thread,
and see for yourself, if Fred's criticism from nearly two years ago is or
isn't still applicable today.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...=4b0201c42bfd%24abdeeb90%24a101280a%40phx.gbl

Ok, I lied. Sue me!

I have some more to say, and I'm not gonna let even my own words stand
in the way! <vbg>

"In this thread as well as in the 'licensing' one, and all the others
I've read for that matter, I think kurt won the legitimate argument
early on. Then you switched to the strategy of slyly
mischaracterizing something he had said, which gets him every time,
and makes him look
like an angry person. At the end of the resulting spiral of posts,
the points are forgotten and you play the part of a frustrated
rational
person bowing out of the situation. I've never been clear on what
trolling is. Is that trolling?" - Fred Retread [
http://www.microscum.com/mlslies/ - Post # 42 ]

I have the ability to learn from the constructive criticism of others.
I'm not going to appear as blowing my top with you over your
deliberate mischaracterizations, and will learn from my past
mistakes, before this degenerates further into the madness [mine
apparently is anger, yours obviously is lunacy], as seen at the above
link. So I'm just gonna jump over the middle part, and just skip to
the part where we've forgotten
what the point is, [obviously you already have anyway] and I just let
you squeal over what a horrible person I am! <vbg>

"I f*ck you're dead daddy's diseased skull, and when I'm done I let my
dog f*ck you're dead daddy's diseased skull too! ;^)"

Squeal away, Mikey! PSML!

Squeal away! I was laughing so hard I even miss-spelled PMSL! But the
funniest part is that Mike had to export his squealing to another thread!
ROFL!

There is no squealing on my part, just a realistic description of your
agenda. I am no longer shocked by your rhetoric, but I am offended by it.
Any normal person would be. Normal people don't use your tactics to
strong-arm an opinion or point of view. Hope you didn't piss yourself for no
reason. LOL.
BTW, the export of the thread was a mistake. I had a crash on the system I
originally started the reply and when I resumed I chose the wrong post to
reply to.
--

Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

 

[Kelly]

"I f*ck you're dead daddy's diseased skull, and when I'm done I let my

Squeal away! I was laughing so hard I even miss-spelled PMSL! But the
funniest part is that Mike had to export his squealing to another thread!
ROFL!

Who wrote this?

message Brian C wrote:

That information is hidden on purpose. So you could not reset
yourself. (Mike going to getting on me for saying this). You
could try contacting the guy who made the reset patch.
Regardless a lot of people already know about this. It all over
cnet news & other website.


Brian C.

I believe the reset crack for PA is to reset the 30 day clock for
initial activation, not to reset the hardware change count.

Michaels reply:
You give good information freely, but when you are confronted and
have no real answer you become an as*hole.

When haven't I had an answered? I had already answered all your
mischaracterizations previously in the thread, "Creating system recovery
disc," and I felt no need to repeat myself just because you repeated and
expanded on them.

Why do you do this?

Because it is a waste of time argueing with you once you start perverting
reality. Even this reply is a waste, but just on the off chance that
somebody other than you cares, about all this, I'm just putting this in
some
context.

It
must be ego driven, because there is no other reason to drege up
denigrating posts from 2 yrs ago like the one below you posted as a
recent reply to a confrontational thread between yourself and I that
I thought you would have the integrity to use your intellect rather
than your crass as*hole mentality.

I brought up an unbiased look at our newsgroup "relationship," from Fred
Retread. That it is NEARLY 2 years old, doesn't make it any less valid
today. I refuse to repeat myself over & over again answering your sly
mischaracterizations in an effort to get me to appear angry. I've
learned
from Fred's constructive criticism.

<snip> Your reply pasting text from posts that are two years old and
if anyone really looks at the alleged accusation that I was lying
would see it was a misunderstanding that kurttrail used as a unjust
assessment of the entire thread. See the below and you will see his
agenda.

For anyone that really cares, and I really do suspect that Mike is the
only
one that really does, please read this in the context of the whole
thread,
and see for yourself, if Fred's criticism from nearly two years ago is or
isn't still applicable today.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...=4b0201c42bfd%24abdeeb90%24a101280a%40phx.gbl

Ok, I lied. Sue me!

I have some more to say, and I'm not gonna let even my own words stand
in the way! <vbg>

"In this thread as well as in the 'licensing' one, and all the others
I've read for that matter, I think kurt won the legitimate argument
early on. Then you switched to the strategy of slyly
mischaracterizing something he had said, which gets him every time,
and makes him look
like an angry person. At the end of the resulting spiral of posts,
the points are forgotten and you play the part of a frustrated
rational
person bowing out of the situation. I've never been clear on what
trolling is. Is that trolling?" - Fred Retread [
http://www.microscum.com/mlslies/ - Post # 42 ]

I have the ability to learn from the constructive criticism of others.
I'm not going to appear as blowing my top with you over your
deliberate mischaracterizations, and will learn from my past
mistakes, before this degenerates further into the madness [mine
apparently is anger, yours obviously is lunacy], as seen at the above
link. So I'm just gonna jump over the middle part, and just skip to
the part where we've forgotten
what the point is, [obviously you already have anyway] and I just let
you squeal over what a horrible person I am! <vbg>

"I f*ck you're dead daddy's diseased skull, and when I'm done I let my
dog f*ck you're dead daddy's diseased skull too! ;^)"

Squeal away, Mikey! PSML!

Squeal away! I was laughing so hard I even miss-spelled PMSL! But the
funniest part is that Mike had to export his squealing to another thread!
ROFL!

There is no squealing on my part, just a realistic description of your
agenda. I am no longer shocked by your rhetoric, but I am offended by it.
Any normal person would be. Normal people don't use your tactics to
strong-arm an opinion or point of view. Hope you didn't piss yourself for
no reason. LOL.
BTW, the export of the thread was a mistake. I had a crash on the system I
originally started the reply and when I resumed I chose the wrong post to
reply to.
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