Windows xp system restore

[Bill in Co.]

Yes, we've gone over this already. Both you and Nepatsfan made the
correct point that these "real physical files" will be deleted after a
System Restore provided they are the "monitored" files Bert mentioned
(such as .exe files) *and* they weren't saved to the My Documents
folder. Perhaps there are other "safe" locations, too. But I know that
the Desktop is not one of them.

To PD43, for a listing of other monitored files, see:

http://bertk.mvps.org/html/filesfolders.html

and scroll down to "List of file extensions System Restores Monitors in
Windows XP."

Or see
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/expert/russel_sysrestore.mspx

LOL.
But that might tax his "patience", seeing how he even finds Anna's posts too
long to follow. Well, and for Grumpy, too.

 

[PD43]

Regarding your "somewhat erroneously" remark, it's a feature, not a bug,


And why haven't you tried undoing the restore point? This way you could
see for yourself if the monitored files come back or not. And if you're
extra anxious, you could always image the drive first.

He's a NOOB.

Don't pick on him.

 

[Bill in Co.]

Regarding your "somewhat erroneously" remark, it's a feature, not a bug,

Well, sort of. But it would be a better feature if it were a bit
more intelligent about it - i;e, only messing with the monitored files that
truly are or can be problematic, and not extra files that (for example) I
just recently downloaded but haven't even installed (like some future
programs to try out).

Admitedly, for MS to write the System Restore program to be intelligent
enough to be aware of such things would be more difficult.

And why haven't you tried undoing the restore point? This way you could
see for yourself if the monitored files come back or not. And if you're
extra anxious, you could always image the drive first.

My point was, even doing it the way I have been (by restoring to a previous
setpoint), I *know* what the outcome is. There is NO ambiguity there, so
I don't need to run more tests on that.

 

[Daave]

[snip]

And why haven't you tried undoing the restore point? This way you
could see for yourself if the monitored files come back or not. And
if you're extra anxious, you could always image the drive first.

My point was, even doing it the way I have been (by restoring to a
previous setpoint), I *know* what the outcome is. There is NO
ambiguity there, so I don't need to run more tests on that.

I don't understand, Bill. The whole point of this part of the thread is
that these monitored files really *aren't* gone forever because all one
needs to do is undo the System Restore. You're the one who said you lost
some of these files and you're the one who said you haven't tried
undoing System Restore yet (see above). You should.

It seems to me that both you and PD43 are being argumentative just for
the sake of it!

 

[PD43]

I don't understand, Bill. The whole point of this part of the thread is
that these monitored files really *aren't* gone forever because all one
needs to do is undo the System Restore. You're the one who said you lost
some of these files and you're the one who said you haven't tried
undoing System Restore yet (see above). You should.

ayup

 

[Bill in Co.]

Bill in Co. wrote:
One thing I haven't tried yet is "undoing" the restore point - and
seeing if I get back ALL of my exe (and other "monitored" files)
that were (somewhat erroneously) removed by System Restore (and I
mean all the ones that shouldn't have been!)

[snip]

And why haven't you tried undoing the restore point? This way you
could see for yourself if the monitored files come back or not. And
if you're extra anxious, you could always image the drive first.

My point was, even doing it the way I have been (by restoring to a
previous setpoint), I *know* what the outcome is. There is NO
ambiguity there, so I don't need to run more tests on that.

I don't understand, Bill. The whole point of this part of the thread is
that these monitored files really *aren't* gone forever because all one
needs to do is undo the System Restore. You're the one who said you lost
some of these files and you're the one who said you haven't tried
undoing System Restore yet (see above). You should.

I don't understand why you don't understand what I just explained.
Sometimes it is desireable to go back to a previous set point (and not just
do an undo operation), and in such a case, the problem arises. That is,
the files are gone.

But I see what you're saying here. But it sure seems to be an extra
unnecesary step (or rather, should be). One should be able to just go
back to a previous setpoint, and still have their orignally saved (and
innoculous) files.

 

[Daave]

Daave wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
One thing I haven't tried yet is "undoing" the restore point - and
seeing if I get back ALL of my exe (and other "monitored" files)
that were (somewhat erroneously) removed by System Restore (and I
mean all the ones that shouldn't have been!)
[snip]

And why haven't you tried undoing the restore point? This way you
could see for yourself if the monitored files come back or not. And
if you're extra anxious, you could always image the drive first.

My point was, even doing it the way I have been (by restoring to a
previous setpoint), I *know* what the outcome is. There is NO
ambiguity there, so I don't need to run more tests on that.

I don't understand, Bill. The whole point of this part of the thread
is that these monitored files really *aren't* gone forever because
all one needs to do is undo the System Restore. You're the one who
said you lost some of these files and you're the one who said you
haven't tried undoing System Restore yet (see above). You should.

I don't understand why you don't understand what I just explained.
Sometimes it is desireable to go back to a previous set point (and
not just do an undo operation), and in such a case, the problem
arises. That is, the files are gone.

So undo the System Restore and move the file to a safe place like My
Documents. Then try your System Restore again. These files that you say
are "gone" are never *really* gone! (And if you did regular backups
anyway, then there would be no worries.)

But I see what you're saying here. But it sure seems to be an extra
unnecesary step (or rather, should be). One should be able to just
go back to a previous setpoint, and still have their orignally saved
(and innoculous) files.

It's only an extra step if the monitored files we're talking about
aren't in the proper place. Now that you know this, it shouldn't be a
big deal.

Personally, I keep all my installation files in C:\Installers. Works for
me.

 

[Bill in Co.]

Bill in Co. wrote:
Daave wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
One thing I haven't tried yet is "undoing" the restore point - and
seeing if I get back ALL of my exe (and other "monitored" files)
that were (somewhat erroneously) removed by System Restore (and I
mean all the ones that shouldn't have been!)

[snip]

And why haven't you tried undoing the restore point? This way you
could see for yourself if the monitored files come back or not. And
if you're extra anxious, you could always image the drive first.

My point was, even doing it the way I have been (by restoring to a
previous setpoint), I *know* what the outcome is. There is NO
ambiguity there, so I don't need to run more tests on that.

I don't understand, Bill. The whole point of this part of the thread
is that these monitored files really *aren't* gone forever because
all one needs to do is undo the System Restore. You're the one who
said you lost some of these files and you're the one who said you
haven't tried undoing System Restore yet (see above). You should.

I don't understand why you don't understand what I just explained.
Sometimes it is desireable to go back to a previous set point (and
not just do an undo operation), and in such a case, the problem
arises. That is, the files are gone.

So undo the System Restore and move the file to a safe place like My
Documents. Then try your System Restore again.

Nah, that Texas two-step routine is too much (unnecessary) work. There
are better solutions - like keeping the saved files in a safe place.

These files that you say are "gone" are never *really* gone!

Unless you can't undo the restore operation, which HAS happened to me
once...

(And if you did regular backups anyway, then there would be no worries.)

True.
And trust me, there really are no worries here, cause at the end of the day,
I haven't so far permanently lost a file yet, due to my backups and backup
routines.

It's only an extra step if the monitored files we're talking about
aren't in the proper place. Now that you know this, it shouldn't be a
big deal.

"Now that I know this"? Well, it's what I've been doing, albeit
reluctantly.

Well - not doing the Undo bit, so much as being careful as to where I store
ANY files I've downloaded to prevent such problems. But it is a bit
inconvenient.

Personally, I keep all my installation files in C:\Installers. Works for
me.

Not as conveniently for me, but then again, I've been forced to
"accommodate" the idiosyncrasies of System Restore.

 

[Daave]

Daave wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
Daave wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
One thing I haven't tried yet is "undoing" the restore point -
and
seeing if I get back ALL of my exe (and other "monitored" files)
that were (somewhat erroneously) removed by System Restore (and
I
mean all the ones that shouldn't have been!)

[snip]

These files that you say are "gone" are never *really* gone!

Unless you can't undo the restore operation, which HAS happened to me
once...

*Now* I understand!

From your first paragraph, I thought you meant you *never* tried undoing
System Restore. But apparently, you have tried it, and at least once,
for some reason it didn't work. I would still think that if you ever
found yourself in the same situation again (and I doubt you ever would
since you now know not to keep these files on your desktop), then you
would be able to methodically figure out what is preventing you from
doing the Undo, fix it, and then perform the Undo. But since you didn't
go into detail about your problem with the Undo, I can't say for sure.

"Now that I know this"? Well, it's what I've been doing, albeit
reluctantly.

What I meant is that at one point in time you didn't know this, but now
you do.

Well - not doing the Undo bit, so much as being careful as to where I
store ANY files I've downloaded to prevent such problems. But it is
a bit inconvenient.


Not as conveniently for me, but then again, I've been forced to
"accommodate" the idiosyncrasies of System Restore.

Heh, you remind me of Lord Turkey Cough.

 

[Bill in Co.]

Bill in Co. wrote:
Daave wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
Daave wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
One thing I haven't tried yet is "undoing" the restore point - and
seeing if I get back ALL of my exe (and other "monitored" files)
that were (somewhat erroneously) removed by System Restore (and
I mean all the ones that shouldn't have been!)

[snip]
These files that you say are "gone" are never *really* gone!

Unless you can't undo the restore operation, which HAS happened to me
once...

*Now* I understand!

From your first paragraph, I thought you meant you *never* tried undoing
System Restore. But apparently, you have tried it, and at least once,
for some reason it didn't work. I would still think that if you ever
found yourself in the same situation again (and I doubt you ever would
since you now know not to keep these files on your desktop),

Ummm - it is not ONLY on the desktop!! It just about *anywhere* EXCEPT in
one's (so-called) personal folder. Which ... is a bit annoying.

then you would be able to methodically figure out what is preventing you
from doing the Undo, fix it, and then perform the Undo. But since you
didn't
go into detail about your problem with the Undo, I can't say for sure.


What I meant is that at one point in time you didn't know this, but now
you do.
True.


Heh, you remind me of Lord Turkey Cough.

Oh no! Now I've really been cut to the quick! How insulting!!

 

[Bill in Co.]

This doesn't apply to Windows XP Home edition, from what I read (including
the referenced MS article). (Unless you're using FAT32). It applies to
Windows XP Professional.

 

[PD43]

This doesn't apply to Windows XP Home edition, from what I read (including
the referenced MS article). (Unless you're using FAT32). It applies to
Windows XP Professional.

I think you'd be virtually crippled if one or both of your parentheses
keys were inoperative.

 

[Daave]

This doesn't apply to Windows XP Home edition, from what I read
(including the referenced MS article). (Unless you're using
FAT32). It applies to Windows XP Professional.

In that case, see:

How to gain access to the System Volume Information folder

Using CACLS with Windows XP Home Edition Using the NTFS File System

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309531

 

[Bill in Co.]

I think you'd be virtually crippled if one or both of your parentheses
keys were inoperative.

..
LOL. And I know this post was probably a bit too long for you, but ......

 

[Bill in Co.]

In that case, see:

How to gain access to the System Volume Information folder

Using CACLS with Windows XP Home Edition Using the NTFS File System

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309531

Ooops, passed that one by, and maybe that's worth a shot. TNX.

 

[Bill in Co.]

In that case, see:

How to gain access to the System Volume Information folder

Using CACLS with Windows XP Home Edition Using the NTFS File System

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309531

Yup, that does it. Thanks. And it's "very interesting" down there.


"Most fascinating", said Spock. I am almost tempted to see if I can
*selectively* delete some extra superfluous restore points, while keeping
the rest (but I'd better not, on second thought - that would probably
corrupt its database).

 

[xreigninflame]

ok another sys restore question. i did a full restore ( i have done it
once before) and everything went fine but when i went to find the
folder where it stores the desktop i could not find it. i did a search
and everything and it doesnt exsist. i had 13 gigs free before the
restore and now i only have 16 gigs free, so it is still somewhere but
i cannot find it. is it possible to get a "duel" boot of it after a
restore? PLEASE HELP!!!!!

thanks
GodOfDeath

 

[PD43]

PLEASE HELP!!!!!

thanks
GodOfDeath

With a sig like that, you definitely need help