WIndows XP Pro and the Retail Version?

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I know the OEM version can be installed on ONE machine and never everr
on another.

What about the Retail version? Can I build a PC, install the retail
version, build another PC, dismantle the first one (erasing the hard
drive via a LLF), sell off the components and install that same retail
version on the second PC?
 
Justin said:
I know the OEM version can be installed on ONE machine and never everr
on another.

What about the Retail version? Can I build a PC, install the retail
version, build another PC, dismantle the first one (erasing the hard
drive via a LLF), sell off the components and install that same retail
version on the second PC?
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Yes.
Steve
 
Clayton said:
Should be able to do that with the OEM version also
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The licensing terms and conditions, which must be agreed to when
installing the software, specifically preclude that.

That is one of the reasons why the OEM version sells for less than the
retail versions.

If you want the full licensing flexibility then you need to pay the
full price.

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Ron Martell said:
The licensing terms and conditions, which must be agreed to when
installing the software, specifically preclude that.

That is one of the reasons why the OEM version sells for less than the
retail versions.

If you want the full licensing flexibility then you need to pay the
full price.
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but what if you are the builder? You can then make your own terms.
 
Gordon said:
but what if you are the builder? You can then make your own terms.
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one has to apply to become a MS OEM supplier. I can't do that since I
don't make a business out of building PCs. I think the custom PC
business is dead thansk to jerks like Dell and eMachines.
 
What are the terms of the System Builder agreement you have with Microsoft?
Does your allow you to make your own terms?
If you do not have such an agreement, the EULA applies to you and you do not
make your own terms.
 
Justin said:
one has to apply to become a MS OEM supplier.
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Says who?

I build & support my own computers. I have never and will never apply
to be a MS partner.
I can't do that since I
don't make a business out of building PCs. I think the custom PC
business is dead thansk to jerks like Dell and eMachines.
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Justin said:
one has to apply to become a MS OEM supplier. I can't do that since I
don't make a business out of building PCs. I think the custom PC
business is dead thansk to jerks like Dell and eMachines.
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If you try to compete on price then you are an idiot. A small builder cannot
compete on price. You can easily compete on service, support, customization,
and most importantly, quality. System builders cannot "make your own terms".
The terms are dependent on who sells you the software licenses and what type
of licenses they are. If they are legitimate OEM licenses then you should be
getting an OEM pack with the System Builders License on the outside. The
terms are very specific. You don't have to be a Microsoft partner to
purchase OEM software. You can purchase OEM software in quantities as small
as one unit, not a particularly onerous financial outlay.
 
Jupiter said:
What are the terms of the System Builder agreement you have with
Microsoft? Does your allow you to make your own terms?
If you do not have such an agreement, the EULA applies to you and you
do not make your own terms.
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The EULA doesn't specify at what point upgrading a computer turns it
into a different computer, so I can rebuild my system around a case
screw, if I want. Nothing in either the EULA or the SBL precludes this.

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Jupiter Jones said:
If you do not have such an agreement, the EULA applies to you and you do
not make your own terms.
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Precisely, and to return to the topic, the EULA makes NO mention of not
being able to change the motherboard with an OEM version of XP.
 
True.
Generally the only time a motherboard is a significant issue is with a major
OEM when they tie the BIOS to their Windows.
Often at that point, even if installation with another motherboard from a
different manufacturer is legal, it may not be technically possible and no
one has any obligation to make it work when such a change has been made.

AFAIK, there is no definition as to when an upgrade is a new computer.
Kurt's example of using an old case screw, while the extreme, has validity,
at least until there is a more specific definition of upgrade since an
upgrade is the same computer.
And I doubt that definition will be soon in coming if ever.
 
Jupiter said:
I never suggested otherwise.
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No, you don't suggest. You are more subtle. I just see through your
BS.

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Jupiter said:
True.
Generally the only time a motherboard is a significant issue is with
a major OEM when they tie the BIOS to their Windows.
Often at that point, even if installation with another motherboard
from a different manufacturer is legal, it may not be technically
possible and no one has any obligation to make it work when such a
change has been made.
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Because MS loves not be specific, so they and their sycophants can FUD
people into buying copies of software that they don't really need.

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kurttrail said:
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:




Because MS loves not be specific, so they and their sycophants can FUD
people into buying copies of software that they don't really need.
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So...should someone force the issue or keep it vague? <:-))
 
Ghostrider said:
So...should someone force the issue or keep it vague? <:-))
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A smart consumer can use the vagaries to their own advantage.
Unfortunately, most consumers are suckers, and MS went to the PT Barnum
School of Marketing.

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"You are more subtle"
Be careful what you assume, you are usually wrong when you assume.
And it appears you are so this time.
Perhaps if you clarify, your assumptions could be clear.
 
Jupiter said:
"You are more subtle"
Be careful what you assume, you are usually wrong when you assume.
And it appears you are so this time.
Perhaps if you clarify, your assumptions could be clear.
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You assume that I'm making an assumption. That makes you an ass twice
over.

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