Windows XP and 100% CPU being used

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Dan

I have noticed when Windows XP has trouble reading a CD it seems to
suddenly jump the Central Processing Unit cycle to the maximum possible
although this does not seem to help. I am puzzled as to why XP
Professional does this and I have not noticed this annoying behavior in
98 Second Edition. I talked with a friend Jared who has also noticed
this behavior in other XP machines. What is the deal with this and will
Microsoft correct this problem in the future.

(98 general newsgroup and XP general newsgroup included for a good
discussion on this issue)
 
Certainly not a WinXP problem, as I have not seen it on any XP system. It is most
likely a hardware issue (drive/cable problem or incorrect settings/configuration for
the optical drives), or as already mentioned, a dirty lens in the drive. Try
cleaning the drive with an inexpensive audio cleaning CD.

Is DMA enabled for the optical drives? Open XP's Device Manager, expand the IDE
ATA/ATAPI Controllers category, double-click the channel that the CD drive is on
(usually the secondary but not always), click the Advanced Settings tab. For each
device, what transfer mode is set, and what is the current transfer mode?
 
glee said:
Certainly not a WinXP problem, as I have not seen it on any XP system.
It is most likely a hardware issue (drive/cable problem or incorrect
settings/configuration for the optical drives), or as already mentioned,
a dirty lens in the drive. Try cleaning the drive with an inexpensive
audio cleaning CD.

Is DMA enabled for the optical drives? Open XP's Device Manager, expand
the IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers category, double-click the channel that
the CD drive is on (usually the secondary but not always), click the
Advanced Settings tab. For each device, what transfer mode is set, and
what is the current transfer mode?

Thanks, I will check if the drive is dirty and if DMA is enabled.
 
S.Sengupta said:
Clean the lens and retry.Is it an old drive?

regards,
S.Sengupta[MS-MVP]
I have noticed when Windows XP has trouble reading a CD it seems to
suddenly jump the Central Processing Unit cycle to the maximum
possible although this does not seem to help. I am puzzled as to why
XP Professional does this and I have not noticed this annoying
behavior in 98 Second Edition. I talked with a friend Jared who has
also noticed this behavior in other XP machines. What is the deal
with this and will Microsoft correct this problem in the future.

(98 general newsgroup and XP general newsgroup included for a good
discussion on this issue)

Thanks for that comment but it is not an issue in 98SE that uses the
same drive and the same cd.
 
Question: Why is 100% CPU a problem? Do you actually notice any other
application being slowed by the issue? XP tends to use at or near 100% of
the available CPU for "System Idle" tasks, anyway. Are you afraid that the
CPU will burn up, or wear out faster, or what?
 
Dan said:
Thanks, I will check if the drive is dirty and if DMA is enabled.

I ran into something similar when I made a second partition and dualed with
XP...it loaded up fine and ran with some 'odd' HD/CDrom accessing (like
you?)

then i remembered to get the 'XP' !! drivers for the MB installed (go
figure ..VIA :>)
 
Gary said:
Question: Why is 100% CPU a problem? Do you actually notice any other
application being slowed by the issue? XP tends to use at or near 100% of
the available CPU for "System Idle" tasks, anyway. Are you afraid that the
CPU will burn up, or wear out faster, or what?

No, I am annoyed by the fact that when the 100% CPU (central processing
unit) cycle happens which is not too often a slowdown occurs and I find
this annoying. My friend Jon who uses lots of XP computers at his work
says that this happens too. The nice thing about 98SE is that I have
never had this happen. Even when system resources went down to 6% on
98SE with the warning that some programs may not run because of low
system resources then indeed the computer did slow down but did not seem
to hang like it does when the 100% CPU cycle happens in XP Professional
which is when it is having trouble with a task. I am sure PCR is
pleased by this news since he does not like XP.
 
Haggis said:
I ran into something similar when I made a second partition and dualed with
XP...it loaded up fine and ran with some 'odd' HD/CDrom accessing (like
you?)

then i remembered to get the 'XP' !! drivers for the MB installed (go
figure ..VIA :>)

I will have to check since I think I do not have current XP Motherboard
drivers. Thanks for the great idea, Haggis. This may indeed work.
 
Dan said:
I will have to check since I think I do not have current XP Motherboard
drivers. Thanks for the great idea, Haggis. This may indeed work.

Well, it is helping Haggis and the overall system seems much more
stable. I did this in 98SE where I updated all of the drivers that I
could for 98SE. I guess I have to do this to get more system stability
in XP Pro. as well. Gee Whiz! and I thought an "advanced" operating
system like XP Pro. was configured to work just right out of the box and
also with Windows Updates. I will post back if this continues after the
drivers are all updated.
 
Dan said:
Well, it is helping Haggis and the overall system seems much more stable.
I did this in 98SE where I updated all of the drivers that I could for
98SE. I guess I have to do this to get more system stability in XP Pro.
as well. Gee Whiz! and I thought an "advanced" operating system like XP
Pro. was configured to work just right out of the box and also with
Windows Updates. I will post back if this continues after the drivers are
all updated.

never rely on MS supplied drivers...always get your current drivers from the
mfr :>
 
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| > Question: Why is 100% CPU a problem? Do you actually notice any
other
| > application being slowed by the issue? XP tends to use at or near
100% of
| > the available CPU for "System Idle" tasks, anyway. Are you afraid
that the
| > CPU will burn up, or wear out faster, or what?
| >
|
| No, I am annoyed by the fact that when the 100% CPU (central
processing
| unit) cycle happens which is not too often a slowdown occurs and I
find
| this annoying. My friend Jon who uses lots of XP computers at his
work
| says that this happens too. The nice thing about 98SE is that I have
| never had this happen. Even when system resources went down to 6% on
| 98SE with the warning that some programs may not run because of low
| system resources then indeed the computer did slow down but did not
seem
| to hang like it does when the 100% CPU cycle happens in XP
Professional
| which is when it is having trouble with a task. I am sure PCR is
| pleased by this news since he does not like XP.

Ah, ha, ha!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
 
Haggis said:
never rely on MS supplied drivers...always get your current drivers from the
mfr :>

Thank you and do you know how to update my CPU driver. It is an Intel
2.4 Ghz driver and I have not been able to find information about how to
update this driver. It is currently using the default Microsoft driver.
 
Thanks for that comment but it is not an issue in 98SE that uses the
same drive and the same cd.

I'd suspect the following:

1) Underfootware packet-writing drivers

Packet writing is a way of treating xxRW disks as "big floppies", so
that you can simply treat them as such from Windows Explorer or any
other Windows application.

Behind the scenes will be a 3rd-party service that may lurk in the
SysTray; either DirectCD from the Adaptec/Roxio camp, or InCD from the
Nero camp, or sometimes something else. If you have more than one of
these running at the same time, mileage is likely to be adverse++

Packet writing generally sucks, because different tribes can't always
read each others' disks, and because of the "lazy write" problem that
typically leaves you with a disk that has no files and no free space.

Usually, "lazy writes" are used to speed up slow storage devices;
writes are held in memory and written to the device "later".
Bad-exit, crash, or remove the storage device before this happens, and
you end up with a data barf.

But there's another reason to resort to "lazy writes" that applies to
xxRW disks and USB flash drives (but not SD cards) alike; a limited
write-life for the storage technology. In this situation, delayed
writes may be even "lazier", so that multiple write operations can be
combined and thus extend the life of the storage.

2) MRU and other integration links to optical drive

If you've ever "opened" material off CD/DVD, and especially if you've
inadvertently created a file association to an executable there, then
the system is likely to nag the drive all the time.

One sees this a lot with diskettes too; in Win9x, the PIF folder
(under Windows) is another source of this, as .pif settings for
removable disks are stored not on the disks, but in PIF.

3) Pending XP "CD writing" writes

XP has native CD writing, but it's pretty awful - it mixes the worst
of both packet writing (pending writes) and "normal" CD/DVD authoring
(multisession compatibility issues, treats xxRW as xxR disks).

Material that you may think was written to an optical disk, may be
left lying around in a deeply-nested "CD Burning" folder that's
repeated within each user profile. That can be a lot of gunk bloating
up the C: volume. That material will also show up as "ghosts" on
every data disk you insert in the drive; the idea is that it's
material that would be on the disk if you were to write it there
(which it would do as a new session, not via packet-writing).

You can disable XP's native writing via right-click on the drive
letter, Properties, and UNcheck "enable CD recording". I always do
this; formal authoring via Nero may be a pain, but at least I can see
exactly what's on the disk and how it was written there.

4) Autoplay

Like Win9x, XP will look for an \Autorun.inf on a newly-inserted disk,
and interpret it unless this is suppressed at the drive letter or
device (NoDriveTypeAutoRun) level.

Unlike Win9x, XP will also grope the contents of CDs, DVDs and flash
drives when they are discovered, to "autoplay" them however it deeps
appropriate, based on the types of files it finds there.

5) Bad drive or disk

Because XP has so many background file gropers (indexers,
thumbnailers, etc.) you may find the presence of a disk in a duff
drive, or a duff disk, will slow down the whole system.

This may affect some XP systems and not others, depending on what
native services are running, and especially depending on what
3rd-party underfootware - such as av, camera image transfer
(f)utilities, etc. - are added. The latter can stink up Win9x too.


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Dan said:
No, I am annoyed by the fact that when the 100% CPU (central processing
unit) cycle happens which is not too often a slowdown occurs and I find
this annoying. My friend Jon who uses lots of XP computers at his work
says that this happens too. The nice thing about 98SE is that I have
never had this happen. Even when system resources went down to 6% on
98SE with the warning that some programs may not run because of low
system resources then indeed the computer did slow down but did not seem
to hang like it does when the 100% CPU cycle happens in XP Professional
which is when it is having trouble with a task. I am sure PCR is
pleased by this news since he does not like XP.

Well, I confirmed with Microsoft that this is indeed an XP problem that
should hopefully be patched soon. Even with specific manufacturer
drivers you can still have this problem. Fortunately, 98SE does not
suffer from this problem but does have more limited resources. I guess
users who continue to use XP can have a much greater chance of CPU
(Central Processing Unit) burnout due to the times XP has trouble
reading something and jumps to 100% CPU usage. The problem has been
confirmed with Automatic Updates in XP as well according to the windows
update group. Well, Microsoft has their work cut out for them to fix
this problem.
 
You don't update the CPU driver, you update the mobo drivers. Be sure you
know exactly what the mobo's part number is and then go to the
manufacturer's website for updated drivers.
 
Gary said:
You don't update the CPU driver, you update the mobo drivers. Be sure you
know exactly what the mobo's part number is and then go to the
manufacturer's website for updated drivers.

Well, my Bios has already been flashed to the latest version. The only
version later is a beta which I will not use since I do not want a beta
Bios. The Motherboard is an ASUS motherboard with SIS chipset. I have
downloaded the latest drivers from SIS as well. XP Professional shows
that I have a 2.4 Ghz. Intel driver in the device manager and I tried to
update that and actually I did manage to get a later driver through the
manual update process. I have now proceeded to go through everything in
the XP device manager to be able to have the information to search the
Internet for the latest drivers. I did this in 98SE but I thought it
would be unnecessary in XP Professional.
 
Dan said:
Well, I confirmed with Microsoft that this is indeed an XP problem that
should hopefully be patched soon. Even with specific manufacturer
drivers you can still have this problem. Fortunately, 98SE does not
suffer from this problem but does have more limited resources. I guess
users who continue to use XP can have a much greater chance of CPU
(Central Processing Unit) burnout due to the times XP has trouble
reading something and jumps to 100% CPU usage. The problem has been
confirmed with Automatic Updates in XP as well according to the windows
update group. Well, Microsoft has their work cut out for them to fix
this problem.

I hope to get some resolution on this issue by the end of next week. I
will keep everyone posted as far as future developments in this case.
 
Well I don't know as that's the best policy to follow, Dan, updating
individual motherboard components from Intel or wherever instead of
accepting the latest package provided by the mobo manufacturer. I think
perhaps the latter knows best which versions of drivers work best for the
particular board you have, particularly from a synergistic point of view.
They've also actually tested the drivers on the board.
 

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