windows re-activiation occuring too often(long beef)

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Beemer Biker

We have at our home, 10 computers all licensed for XP Pro or home; 4 kids in
college + wife + myself all using using XP system. 7 desktops + 3 notebooks
(wife has electronic tax filing business). In additon, I got 2 "spare"
licenses, one from a defective thinkpad not worth fixing, the other still
sealed, got from college bookstore for $10.

My beef is that it is getting harder and harder to re-activate any of the
old ones. Since I bought our first copies of XP (5 oem bought with
qualifying hardware: cpu & motherboards in 2000?) I or my kids have had to
re-activate at least 12 - 15 times over the phone. Main problem was
capacitors on motherboards going out and cheaper to replace mombo+cpu then
repair. Then video boards being upgraded, more memory, dvd burners instead
of cd burners, etc. All these seemed to trigger re-activation eventually.

I just re-activated a product key that was from a defective dell 8300. The
mombo was replaced long ago. I replaced the dvd burner with one of those
new lightscribe and that triggered the activation. When it would not
reactivate over the internet, I tried the serial number from the broken
thinkpad. Then, thinking I may have the wrong serial number, tried another
from my "list" before I called. The person I talked to already knew that I
had tried another two serial numbers an hour earlier before I called. She
had a record of me or someone else (my kids) using those serial numbers.
O.K. I did get it activated although I had to give the same serial # twice
over the phone and explain that I wasnt a criminal with stolen serial#'s.

After activating I googled around and got that program xpinfo.exe that
checks activation codes. All devices that I had on this newly activated
system were either checked or grayed out. The cpu# was grayed out since AMD
has no serial in the cpu. I didnt have a scsi so it was grayed out. The
next day I got in my Promise TX SATA/PATA controller and moved the CDRW to
that PATA connector. I re-ran that xpinfo.exe and noticed that the scsi
controller was now bold and checked. I assume microsoft added that device
to its windows activation code. However, the CDRW that I moved from slave
on primary ide to master on PATA promise was now unchecked. That is not
right. Moving the same CDRW from one controller to another should not count
against me for a windows activation. I verified this by moving the CDRW
back to slave and xpinfo showed a check in the cdrom box.

Microsoft is not properly checking CD device identifiers and moving the same
CD/DVD to another controller counts against you. It should not since it is
the same cdrom.

Microsoft should not be recording how many attempts I made trying to
re-activate windows. That is not right IMHO. I dont know how many times I
have enter an 8 before I relized it was a B or a G instead of a 6 and
vice-versa. It would appear that microsoft is recording this stuff????

my 2c, and I feel a lot better.

Thanks Bill Gates, for letting my kids get $10 copies of XP and Office at
the college bookstore here. How about other kids go to schools that you
didnt sign a contract like that with?


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C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Next time, purchase "Retail Versions" of Windows XP.
OEM versions are not flexible like Retail Versions.
Generally, OEM licenses are forever tied to the very
first computer configuration it was installed and activate
on. You saved some money purchasing OEM versions,
but did not save on aggravation issues when changing hardware.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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:

| We have at our home, 10 computers all licensed for XP Pro or home; 4 kids in
| college + wife + myself all using using XP system. 7 desktops + 3 notebooks
| (wife has electronic tax filing business). In additon, I got 2 "spare"
| licenses, one from a defective thinkpad not worth fixing, the other still
| sealed, got from college bookstore for $10.
|
| My beef is that it is getting harder and harder to re-activate any of the
| old ones. Since I bought our first copies of XP (5 oem bought with
| qualifying hardware: cpu & motherboards in 2000?) I or my kids have had to
| re-activate at least 12 - 15 times over the phone. Main problem was
| capacitors on motherboards going out and cheaper to replace mombo+cpu then
| repair. Then video boards being upgraded, more memory, dvd burners instead
| of cd burners, etc. All these seemed to trigger re-activation eventually.
|
| I just re-activated a product key that was from a defective dell 8300. The
| mombo was replaced long ago. I replaced the dvd burner with one of those
| new lightscribe and that triggered the activation. When it would not
| reactivate over the internet, I tried the serial number from the broken
| thinkpad. Then, thinking I may have the wrong serial number, tried another
| from my "list" before I called. The person I talked to already knew that I
| had tried another two serial numbers an hour earlier before I called. She
| had a record of me or someone else (my kids) using those serial numbers.
| O.K. I did get it activated although I had to give the same serial # twice
| over the phone and explain that I wasnt a criminal with stolen serial#'s.
|
| After activating I googled around and got that program xpinfo.exe that
| checks activation codes. All devices that I had on this newly activated
| system were either checked or grayed out. The cpu# was grayed out since AMD
| has no serial in the cpu. I didnt have a scsi so it was grayed out. The
| next day I got in my Promise TX SATA/PATA controller and moved the CDRW to
| that PATA connector. I re-ran that xpinfo.exe and noticed that the scsi
| controller was now bold and checked. I assume microsoft added that device
| to its windows activation code. However, the CDRW that I moved from slave
| on primary ide to master on PATA promise was now unchecked. That is not
| right. Moving the same CDRW from one controller to another should not count
| against me for a windows activation. I verified this by moving the CDRW
| back to slave and xpinfo showed a check in the cdrom box.
|
| Microsoft is not properly checking CD device identifiers and moving the same
| CD/DVD to another controller counts against you. It should not since it is
| the same cdrom.
|
| Microsoft should not be recording how many attempts I made trying to
| re-activate windows. That is not right IMHO. I dont know how many times I
| have enter an 8 before I relized it was a B or a G instead of a 6 and
| vice-versa. It would appear that microsoft is recording this stuff????
|
| my 2c, and I feel a lot better.
|
| Thanks Bill Gates, for letting my kids get $10 copies of XP and Office at
| the college bookstore here. How about other kids go to schools that you
| didnt sign a contract like that with?
|
|
| --
| =======================================================================
| Beemer Biker (e-mail address removed)
| http://ResearchRiders.org Ask about my 99'R1100RT
| http://TipsForTheComputingImpaired.com
| =======================================================================
|
|
|
 
B

Beemer Biker

Carey Frisch said:
Next time, purchase "Retail Versions" of Windows XP.
OEM versions are not flexible like Retail Versions.
Generally, OEM licenses are forever tied to the very
first computer configuration it was installed and activate
on. You saved some money purchasing OEM versions,
but did not save on aggravation issues when changing hardware.

Thanks! I thought that XP was too stupid to tell that I just moved the
hardware instead of changing it. You certainly cleared up my misgivings.
 
A

Adam Leinss

My beef is that it is getting harder and harder to re-activate any
of the old ones. Since I bought our first copies of XP (5 oem
bought with qualifying hardware: cpu & motherboards in 2000?) I
or my kids have had to re-activate at least 12 - 15 times over the
phone. Main problem was capacitors on motherboards going out and
cheaper to replace mombo+cpu then repair. Then video boards being
upgraded, more memory, dvd burners instead of cd burners, etc. All
these seemed to trigger re-activation eventually.

Exactly what drives people to bootleg volume licensed copies of Windows
XP!

Adam
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Yes, and those folks become common thieves
and run an extremely insecure system because
they are not entitled to install critical service
packs!

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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"Adam Leinss" ignorantly wrote:

| Exactly what drives people to bootleg volume licensed copies of Windows
| XP!
|
| Adam
 
A

Adam Leinss

"Adam Leinss" ignorantly wrote:

So tell me Carey, what is so "ignorant" about what I wrote? You have a
man that has 10 licensed copies of your product and he is treated like
a criminal every time he installs a new piece of hardware into his
system.

Though I could be wrong, I thought the concept of OEM copies was that
if you replaced the motherboard (other than it being defective), you
had to buy a new copy of Windows XP. Otherwise, you are allowed to
change every other piece of hardware in your OEM computer and still be
"legal" with Microsoft.

Why should he have to go buy the retail copy when an OEM version came
with the system? Should he pay Microsoft twice? Going by your own
words, I think the role of "common thief" can then be placed some where
else other then the customer. ;)

Thanks,
Adam
 
B

Beemer Biker

Adam Leinss said:
Exactly what drives people to bootleg volume licensed copies of Windows
XP!

Adam
--

Good point, I have actually observed an individual "helping" a friend
install a volume license copy of XP over a legal home version. I started to
tell him that the difference between pro and home was not worth the trouble
of doing that but there are people that know it all. Essentially he wanted
to avoid the hassle of ever having to reactivate.

I just had to re-activate the system I just went thru the hassle of
activating only 3 days ago. The man did not speak as good a version of
english as lady I spoke to last time. Both were non-native english
speakers. I did get it re-activated but I had to explain what happened. I
would have thought since I just activated it 3 days ago, that the product
key would be in their system and it would match up against the exact same
hardware. No, it generated a new 50 digit number that I had to speak into
the phone. I was unaware that using a system restore can undo the
activation. When I discovered that I had lost my activation, I reversed the
restore but it was too late. Even with the restore being undone, I had to
re-activate windows. Next time I will save off those wpa files and/or make
an disk image.

As a side note, the latest version of nero burning software 7.0.5.4 has
serious problems and it looks like they have got themselves into DLL hell.
It is not possible to uninstall 7054 and a fresh reinstall fails. Error
logs shows several DLL failing to unregister and installshield stops and
reverses instead of continueing on with the uninstall. Forums at afterdawn
and cdfreaks are full of problems with Nero. I attempted to go back to 7012
and when that failed I went to a system restore point and lost my
activation.


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