Windows Defender (formerly windows antispyware) is out!

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Jupiter said:
Fact, once Windows Defender is out of Beta, it will still be free.
Do not confuse Windows Defender with One Care which will be a subscription
service and includes Windows Defender as one of its components.
Many do confuse the two and erroneously come to the same wrong conclusion
you did.
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AFAIK, One Care will not come with Defender, but will integrate Defender
into it's display if it's installed.
 
Windows Defender will be free for all supported operating systems the same
as currently running MSAS or MD.
It is included in Windows Vista at this time and I assume it will continue
to be.

Sure you will be able to buy Windows Vista and get WD, but WD will still be
available as a stand alone product for free.
 
THEJACKER said:
This product Has been around for along time. I agree withthe second
guy. You never can have enough spyware programs/....
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I dont run any anti-spyware programs 24/7. I choose NOT to install
spyware in the first place.
 
Jupiter said:
Windows Defender will be free for all supported operating systems the same
as currently running MSAS or MD.
It is included in Windows Vista at this time and I assume it will continue
to be.

Sure you will be able to buy Windows Vista and get WD, but WD will still be
available as a stand alone product for free.
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Time will tell. Personally, I think MS is getting into the security
business and it won't be free, at least it won't be after MS runs all
the AdAwares and Spybot Search and Destroys out of business.

Alias

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Alias said:
Time will tell. Personally, I think MS is getting into the security
business and it won't be free, at least it won't be after MS runs all the
AdAwares and Spybot Search and Destroys out of business.

Alias
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To be fair, that's what everyone said about Microsoft and Internet Explorer.
You know, as soon as they run Netscape and other browsers out of business,
they'll start charging for it. Well, they never have.

However, I remember a company that did exactly that. It was called
Netscape. If you've been around as long as I have, you'll know that
Netscape started as a free browser competing against my favorite mosaic
browsers. Once Netscape put them all out of business, it began charging $50
for its browser. Of course, that's when I switched to IE even though it did
not have anywhere near the same features as Navigator at the time.

AFAIK, the only thing that Microsoft once offered for free that they now
charge for is Outlook. I don't think they put even a single mail client out
of business in the process.

carl
 
Vagabond said:
To be fair, that's what everyone said about Microsoft and Internet Explorer.
You know, as soon as they run Netscape and other browsers out of business,
they'll start charging for it. Well, they never have.

However, I remember a company that did exactly that. It was called
Netscape. If you've been around as long as I have, you'll know that
Netscape started as a free browser competing against my favorite mosaic
browsers. Once Netscape put them all out of business, it began charging $50
for its browser. Of course, that's when I switched to IE even though it did
not have anywhere near the same features as Navigator at the time.

AFAIK, the only thing that Microsoft once offered for free that they now
charge for is Outlook. I don't think they put even a single mail client out
of business in the process.

carl
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Time will tell. I say they will charge. And, you had to have Windows to
get IE so it wasn't free. Even though Netscape wanted 50 bucks, it
wasn't necessary to pay it to get it as you should well know. The only
reason Netscape became unpopular was because AOL bought it. Same thing
for ICQ.

Alias

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Alias said:
Time will tell. I say they will charge. And, you had to have Windows to
get IE so it wasn't free. Even though Netscape wanted 50 bucks, it wasn't
necessary to pay it to get it as you should well know. The only reason
Netscape became unpopular was because AOL bought it. Same thing for ICQ.

Alias
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I have to disagree. Netscape became unpopular because Internet Explorer 4.1
kicked the tar out of Navigator in terms of performance and Netscape's
response was to hire lawyers instead of smarter software developers.

ICQ became unpopular because it was a security nightmare (even compared to
AIM) and it had the stupid ICQ "number" instead of a simple to remember
handle. "What's your ICQ number?" "Uh, I don't know, try
28052874093450580920883039... PHAW!!!"

I'm glad no one uses ICQ anymore.

carl
 
Vagabond said:
I have to disagree. Netscape became unpopular because Internet Explorer 4.1
kicked the tar out of Navigator in terms of performance and Netscape's
response was to hire lawyers instead of smarter software developers.
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So it is said. I used Netscape until AOL bought it.
ICQ became unpopular because it was a security nightmare (even compared to
AIM) and it had the stupid ICQ "number" instead of a simple to remember
handle. "What's your ICQ number?" "Uh, I don't know, try
28052874093450580920883039... PHAW!!!"

I'm glad no one uses ICQ anymore.

carl
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ICQ was great until AOL bought it. THEN the weird messages started
appearing out of nowhere.

Oh, and you didn't need to know the number to find someone.

Alias

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Vagabond said:
To be fair, that's what everyone said about Microsoft and Internet Explorer.
You know, as soon as they run Netscape and other browsers out of business,
they'll start charging for it. Well, they never have.

However, I remember a company that did exactly that. It was called
Netscape. If you've been around as long as I have, you'll know that
Netscape started as a free browser competing against my favorite mosaic
browsers. Once Netscape put them all out of business, it began charging $50
for its browser. Of course, that's when I switched to IE even though it did
not have anywhere near the same features as Navigator at the time.

AFAIK, the only thing that Microsoft once offered for free that they now
charge for is Outlook. I don't think they put even a single mail client out
of business in the process.

carl
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Netscape browser has always been a free download and still is. If you
want it on CD it's $6.95.

Steve N.
 
Steve N. said:
Netscape browser has always been a free download and still is. If you want
it on CD it's $6.95.

Steve N.
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I don't recall Netscape offering a Free download until after IE 4.1 was
released. In fact, I distinctly remember a discount price for downloading,
but it was still around $40. Until Microsoft released IE 4.1 and Netscape
exchanged its software developers for lawyers, you could not just get
Navigator on CD for $7.

You either paid $40 to download it or bought it in the store for $50. Like
I said, all that started after they put the mosaic browsers out of business
in the early 90s by offering Netscape for free. In all fairness to the
robber-barons at Netscape, Navigator was a superior product over those
mosaic browsers.

carl
 
Vagabond said:
I don't recall Netscape offering a Free download until after IE 4.1 was
released. In fact, I distinctly remember a discount price for downloading,
but it was still around $40. Until Microsoft released IE 4.1 and Netscape
exchanged its software developers for lawyers, you could not just get
Navigator on CD for $7.

You either paid $40 to download it or bought it in the store for $50. Like
I said, all that started after they put the mosaic browsers out of business
in the early 90s by offering Netscape for free. In all fairness to the
robber-barons at Netscape, Navigator was a superior product over those
mosaic browsers.

carl
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http://www.holgermetzger.de/Netscape_History.html

* November 11, 1994: following a protracted lawsuit with the
University of Illinois, "Mosaic Communications" is forced to rename
itself "Netscape Communications." All references to this former identity
are erased. The "M" logo is removed from the title graphic on home.mcom.com.

< snip >

* By the summer of 1995 most WWW users on the internet were using
Netscape's browser. Market share was at 80%+.
* With the launch of Windows 1995 and a web browser of its own
(Internet Explorer) in August 1995, MS began to challenge Netscape.
Unlike Netscape, Internet Explorer was free of charge, but not yet
bundled with Windows (it came withe the old Plus! package).

**** I think your *history* is a little off.

**** Netscape did not *buy* Mosiac.. it has always *been* Mosiac.. but
**** because of the lawauit, they had to change the name.

http://www.geekphilosopher.com/MainPage/WebBrowserWars.htm

In 1994, the Mosaic Netscape browser was released. It sported a
graphical user-interface and utilized an HTML client-server paradigm.
Mosaic was wildly successful. It quickly dominated a browser market
still in its infancy and became the de facto standard. Netscape went
public in 1995, arguably launching the internet stock market bubble.
The stock soared on its first day of trading, closing at $58 and
eventually climbing to the $140s.

Meanwhile, Microsoft was also in the midst of an eventful year with the
release of Windows 95. In their pre-occupation of Windows 95, Microsoft
had missed the cyberspace market shift. Bill Gates, one of history's
greatest visionaries, had misjudged the dominance of the internet.
Pundits joyfully predicted that this miscue would irreparably harm
Microsoft. But Gates wasted no time in launching a counter attack. The
800-pound Microsoft gorilla soon released Internet Explorer. To erode
Netscape's market share, Explorer was offered free of charge. Explorer
was tied into the operating system to prevent unbundling. OEMs were
prohibited from removing the Internet Explorer icon. Companies as
powerful as Compaq were required to offer Explorer as the preferred
worldwide web browser.
 
http://www.holgermetzger.de/Netscape_History.html

* November 11, 1994: following a protracted lawsuit with the
University of Illinois, "Mosaic Communications" is forced to rename itself
"Netscape Communications." All references to this former identity are
erased. The "M" logo is removed from the title graphic on home.mcom.com.

< snip >

* By the summer of 1995 most WWW users on the internet were using
Netscape's browser. Market share was at 80%+.
* With the launch of Windows 1995 and a web browser of its own
(Internet Explorer) in August 1995, MS began to challenge Netscape. Unlike
Netscape, Internet Explorer was free of charge, but not yet bundled with
Windows (it came withe the old Plus! package).

**** I think your *history* is a little off.

**** Netscape did not *buy* Mosiac.. it has always *been* Mosiac.. but
**** because of the lawauit, they had to change the name.

http://www.geekphilosopher.com/MainPage/WebBrowserWars.htm

In 1994, the Mosaic Netscape browser was released. It sported a graphical
user-interface and utilized an HTML client-server paradigm. Mosaic was
wildly successful. It quickly dominated a browser market still in its
infancy and became the de facto standard. Netscape went public in 1995,
arguably launching the internet stock market bubble. The stock soared on
its first day of trading, closing at $58 and eventually climbing to the
$140s.

Meanwhile, Microsoft was also in the midst of an eventful year with the
release of Windows 95. In their pre-occupation of Windows 95, Microsoft
had missed the cyberspace market shift. Bill Gates, one of history's
greatest visionaries, had misjudged the dominance of the internet. Pundits
joyfully predicted that this miscue would irreparably harm Microsoft. But
Gates wasted no time in launching a counter attack. The 800-pound
Microsoft gorilla soon released Internet Explorer. To erode Netscape's
market share, Explorer was offered free of charge. Explorer was tied into
the operating system to prevent unbundling. OEMs were prohibited from
removing the Internet Explorer icon. Companies as powerful as Compaq were
required to offer Explorer as the preferred worldwide web browser.
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Are you saying my history is a little off? I assume that was not meant as a
response to me as I have never intimated that Netscape bought Mosaic.

carl
 
Vagabond said:
I don't recall Netscape offering a Free download until after IE 4.1 was
released. In fact, I distinctly remember a discount price for downloading,
but it was still around $40. Until Microsoft released IE 4.1 and Netscape
exchanged its software developers for lawyers, you could not just get
Navigator on CD for $7.

You either paid $40 to download it or bought it in the store for $50. Like
I said, all that started after they put the mosaic browsers out of business
in the early 90s by offering Netscape for free. In all fairness to the
robber-barons at Netscape, Navigator was a superior product over those
mosaic browsers.

carl
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You could be right, but it seems so long ago...

:)

Steve N.
 
Steve said:
You could be right, but it seems so long ago...

:)

Steve N.
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Here is a question for those around back then during the browser wars:

Why does recent versions of IE such as 5.5 and 6 sp1 have this text in
the help, about window?

"Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National
Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign."
 
capitan said:
Here is a question for those around back then during the browser wars:

Why does recent versions of IE such as 5.5 and 6 sp1 have this text in the
help, about window?

"Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National
Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign."
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I don't know precisely "why", but I imagine it is a requirement of licensing
NSCA technology. It's not just browsers, it's any product based on NCSA
Mosaic.

carl
 
Vagabond said:
Well, #2 under distribution of derivative works pretty much explains why the
"Based on NCSA Mosaic" message is in most (if not all) browsers.

carl
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Thanks for the responses guys. I was just curious because my interest
in computers doesn't go back that far. :)
 
I can remember those days. Netscape was 1.1 MB and fit on a single floppy.
You could buy a book about Netscape and find a floppy in the back of the
book with Netscape on it.
 
(attitud1977)everything on my pc is microsoft, dispite microsoft
errors! They keep my s6500nx running great, i have learned alo
from them! My pc has crashed three times! Now with microsoft, it run
better than when i bought it, 1024mb,160gb hd,xp sp2,all microsof
programs,support and firewall,and viruses are pathetic, they can'
get in for shit! ha,ha,ha....virus killer!!
 
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