win98SE as minimum windows requirement

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kony

Maybe if they keep up their arrogant actions and game makers find people
want/buy the open GL games they will use it more often? BTW several of the
newer games have been released in linux as well as windows, hopefully the
newest engines will as well! I heard at one point that doom3 was going to
be?

Not likely any time soon since their OS-bundled video card drivers
don't even support OGL


Dave
 
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Halfgaar

Stacey said:
Maybe if they keep up their arrogant actions and game makers find people
want/buy the open GL games they will use it more often? BTW several of the
newer games have been released in linux as well as windows, hopefully the
newest engines will as well! I heard at one point that doom3 was going to
be?

Linux games are in my experience very bad. They often have problems with
mouse input, it's ugly and you can't have surround sound because EAX and
DirectSound3D are not available in Linux. And the games I've seen are ugly
too (UT2003 for example). Probalby because the game was designed for
Direct3d and displaying the same thing with OGL instructions can't be done,
I think.

Halfgaar
 
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Stacey

kony said:
Not likely any time soon since their OS-bundled video card drivers
don't even support OGL


???? Most are supported just not with the cutting edge drivers. And BTW
which OS bundled video drivers for windows do gamers use? :)

Nvidia and ATI both have linux OGL drivers for their card that work great.
My nvidia card worked fine with open GL apps with a stock mandrake 9.1
install, just the newer nvidia driver supported twin view which I needed.
 
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Stacey

Halfgaar said:
Linux games are in my experience very bad. They often have problems with
mouse input, it's ugly and you can't have surround sound because EAX and
DirectSound3D are not available in Linux. And the games I've seen are ugly
too (UT2003 for example).

Just wondering which card/driver were you using. My Ti4200 with the nvidia
linux drivers looks OK.
 
K

kony

???? Most are supported just not with the cutting edge drivers. And BTW
which OS bundled video drivers for windows do gamers use? :)

Nvidia and ATI both have linux OGL drivers for their card that work great.
My nvidia card worked fine with open GL apps with a stock mandrake 9.1
install, just the newer nvidia driver supported twin view which I needed.

AFAIK, Microsoft removes OGL support from the reference drivers before
bundling with windows. Maybe that's changed with WinXP? I never use
the bundled drivers long enough to notice, but in the past no drivers
from Mickey had OGL support.

Of course you're right that any barely-knowledgable gamer would want
updated drivers, but still Microsoft wants everything using DirectX.


Dave


Dave
 
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Halfgaar

Stacey wrote:

Just wondering which card/driver were you using. My Ti4200 with the nvidia
linux drivers looks OK.

GeForce 2 Pro. Driver version I don't know. The main problem I had with
ut2003 was that almost no graphicsetting affected the game. It always
looked the same.
 
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Halfgaar

Stacey said:
???? Most are supported just not with the cutting edge drivers. And BTW
which OS bundled video drivers for windows do gamers use? :)

Nvidia and ATI both have linux OGL drivers for their card that work
great.
My nvidia card worked fine with open GL apps with a stock mandrake 9.1
install, just the newer nvidia driver supported twin view which I needed.

Do all ATi cards have decent drivers? I read something on the site that only
a few have them.

And about OS bundled drivers, the choice of OS by game developers can't be
determinened by what drivers are bundled with the OS. And by the way, every
readme says to upgrade the drivers, so that would also be true for Linux.
 
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Stacey

kony wrote:

Of course you're right that any barely-knowledgable gamer would want
updated drivers, but still Microsoft wants everything using DirectX.

And of course MS wants everyone using their "directX" so you have to run
their OS.
 
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Halfgaar

Stacey said:
And of course MS wants everyone using their "directX" so you have to run
their OS.

This discussion is taking a bit of turn.. Even more now:

I wonder how windows "Longhorn" due 2006 will enhance their monopoply
position and ruin any kind of fun in computerworld.
 
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Stacey

Halfgaar said:
This discussion is taking a bit of turn.. Even more now:

I wonder how windows "Longhorn" due 2006 will enhance their monopoply
position and ruin any kind of fun in computerworld.


Interesting and I'm sure they are cooking up ways to make any other OS
incompatable with theirs. Right now linux boxes can talk with windows and
with samba a linux server can run a whole groups of windows boxes under it
etc. If they go to this new filesystem thing (like the insecure database
they use?) and probably a new networking setup as well, they hope to block
a linux system from being compatable with theirs. But then again as long as
there are so many 'nix boxes on the internet, they can't stray too far from
the norm.

With this new "database" file system, I can only imagine what sort of
massive virus attacks will ensue!
 
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Halfgaar

Stacey said:
Interesting and I'm sure they are cooking up ways to make any other OS
incompatable with theirs. Right now linux boxes can talk with windows and
with samba a linux server can run a whole groups of windows boxes under it
etc. If they go to this new filesystem thing (like the insecure database
they use?) and probably a new networking setup as well, they hope to block
a linux system from being compatable with theirs. But then again as long
as there are so many 'nix boxes on the internet, they can't stray too far
from the norm.

With this new "database" file system, I can only imagine what sort of
massive virus attacks will ensue!

Is this new filesystem closed? It probably is. That makes things
inconvinient for Linux users, as is the case with NTFS now.

BTW, did you read that Samba 3 is faster then Windows Server 2003? They were
finally faster then Samba 2, but not anymore... Samba 3 is 2 times faster
then WS 2003...
 
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Stacey

Halfgaar said:
Stacey wrote:



Is this new filesystem closed? It probably is. That makes things
inconvinient for Linux users, as is the case with NTFS now.

BTW, did you read that Samba 3 is faster then Windows Server 2003? They
were finally faster then Samba 2, but not anymore... Samba 3 is 2 times
faster then WS 2003...

Sure and the main reason they are moving to yet another different
filesystem. Linux servers have just now gotten to the point where it isn't
"risky" to write to a NTFS partition, so MS has to change yet again and
won't disclose any details.
 
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Halfgaar

Stacey said:
Sure and the main reason they are moving to yet another different
filesystem. Linux servers have just now gotten to the point where it isn't
"risky" to write to a NTFS partition, so MS has to change yet again and
won't disclose any details.

From which kernel version is writing to NTFS safe? Does that also mean that
the warning when you try to enable it is gone? Is it officially safe?
 
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Stacey

Halfgaar said:
From which kernel version is writing to NTFS safe? Does that also mean
that the warning when you try to enable it is gone? Is it officially safe?



I was wrong here. It's still not safe due to the closed source of the file
system but that's something they are working on. By the time that is sorted
out, of course MS will have something totally different. Of course MS could
EASILY make windows see the EXT3 etc file systems but that would make it
easier on it's users to use something besides their OS. And there is no
monopolising going on? LOL!
 
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Halfgaar

Stacey said:
I was wrong here. It's still not safe due to the closed source of the file
system but that's something they are working on. By the time that is
sorted out, of course MS will have something totally different. Of course
MS could EASILY make windows see the EXT3 etc file systems but that would
make it easier on it's users to use something besides their OS. And there
is no monopolising going on? LOL!

There are tools to access ext2 partitions I believe. I think they'll support
ext3 as well. But last I heard about them, they mustn't be used for
writing, because it could ruin your filesystem.
 

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