Will Longhorn only run on 64 bit chips?

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TheCrookedCEO

Hi,
I've heard various rumours. Will Longhorn ONLY run on 64 bit
chips? Is it only being designed for release on 64 bit systems? Or
will it also run on 32 bit systems purchased today?

I'm talking about Longhorn which is slated to be released in 2005, not
the Windows XP 64 for the AMD64 which is to be released soon.

Please only reply if you know for sure so as not to add further
confusion.

Thanks
 
T

Total Exterminator

TheCrookedCEO said:
Hi,
I've heard various rumours. Will Longhorn ONLY run on 64 bit
chips? Is it only being designed for release on 64 bit systems? Or
will it also run on 32 bit systems purchased today?

I'm talking about Longhorn which is slated to be released in 2005, not
the Windows XP 64 for the AMD64 which is to be released soon.

Please only reply if you know for sure so as not to add further
confusion.

Thanks
I read that Longhorn will work on either 32 or 64 bit systems , we will
have to wait and see when it is released ..... Total
 
L

lyon_wonder

Don't know, but rumor has it that Longhorn won't hit retail until 2006
or 2007, and in the interim M$ might release an WinXP "Reloaded"
edition. I'd wager that by 2007 64-bit CPUs (probably derived from
AMD64 and Intel's variation of) have a good chance of taking over the
consumer desktop space.
 
J

jack

: Hi,
: I've heard various rumours. Will Longhorn ONLY run on 64 bit
: chips? Is it only being designed for release on 64 bit systems? Or
: will it also run on 32 bit systems purchased today?
:
: I'm talking about Longhorn which is slated to be released in 2005, not
: the Windows XP 64 for the AMD64 which is to be released soon.

Really, does anyone really **care** about Longhorn? You realize this OS
tied in with the soon-to-arrive hardware "enhancements" will totally
take away your rights and freedom as far as "personal computing" is
concerned, right? Longhorn IMHO, is the biggest cluster f**k yet on
the consumer, and will hose you in ways you never thought possible. See
my sig below.

J.
--
 
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Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers

Hi,

The skinny on Longhorn:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/longhorn.htm

The answer to your question is: No one knows. Personally, I seriously doubt
that support for 32 bit will be removed in the next version of Windows.
Wouldn't make sense, at least not yet. But, things change......

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
Windows isn't rocket science! That's my other hobby!

Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

In
TheCrookedCEO said:
I've heard various rumours. Will Longhorn ONLY run on 64 bit
chips? Is it only being designed for release on 64 bit systems? Or
will it also run on 32 bit systems purchased today?


Test versions that have so far been released run on 32-bit
processors.

What it will be when it is finally released is up to Microsoft,
and they haven't made any formal announcement. Personally I doubt
very much that they will remove the 32-bit support already there,
but they decide that the marketplace warrants doing it, they
could do so.

So the answer to your question is that nobody knows. Even if Bill
Gates himself thinks he knows the answer now, it's possible for
him to change his mind before it's released.
 
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Plato

TheCrookedCEO said:
I've heard various rumours. Will Longhorn ONLY run on 64 bit
chips? Is it only being designed for release on 64 bit systems? Or
will it also run on 32 bit systems purchased today?

Why not ask the company that is developing the software for their
secrets and business plans?
 
B

Black Jack

TheCrookedCEO said:
Hi,
I've heard various rumours. Will Longhorn ONLY run on 64 bit
chips? Is it only being designed for release on 64 bit systems? Or
will it also run on 32 bit systems purchased today?

I'm talking about Longhorn which is slated to be released in 2005, not
the Windows XP 64 for the AMD64 which is to be released soon.

Please only reply if you know for sure so as not to add further
confusion.

You're the first one I've heard saying this. So I doubt there's any
validity to it yet. However, Longhorn is not expected until 2006 or
2007 at the earliest, so by then it's unlikely you'll even be able to
buy a 32-bit CPU, everything will have shifted to 64-bit anyways at
that point.

Besides, Microsoft is betting on its Java-like run-anywhere .NET
technology which is supposed to be architecture agnostic. So I'm sure
even if Longhorn comes out as 64-bit only, you'll still be able to run
apps under .NET on 32-bit older versions of Windows also running .NET.

Yousuf Khan
 
J

Jan Panteltje

Besides, Microsoft is betting on its Java-like run-anywhere .NET
technology which is supposed to be architecture agnostic. So I'm sure
Maybe I understand this wrong, I do not keep up with MS's wild ideas,
but JAVA would only add to bloat, and decrease speed some factors,
but if they think they can sell that....
JP
 
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Black Jack

Jan Panteltje said:
Maybe I understand this wrong, I do not keep up with MS's wild ideas,
but JAVA would only add to bloat, and decrease speed some factors,
but if they think they can sell that....
JP

I don't maybe then 64-bits does make sense if they are going to .NET.
64-bit might be the only thing fast enough to run it. :)

Yousuf Khan
 
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chris

Really, does anyone really **care** about Longhorn? You realize this OS
tied in with the soon-to-arrive hardware "enhancements" will totally
take away your rights and freedom as far as "personal computing" is
concerned, right? Longhorn IMHO, is the biggest cluster f**k yet on
the consumer, and will hose you in ways you never thought possible. See
my sig below.


Hmm... I don't know much about TCPA, but after reading the links in your
sig here are some questions and comments. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Do you mean that TCPA could be used to create a "controlled" internet?
Would it be possible to deny TCPA sites/information because I'm running
non-TCPA hardware with open source (linux in my case) software? If so,
then why are only so few people warning about this? How long do you think
it would take to implement TCPA so widely that open source users would be
affected? I'd think that this would result into a new, open source
"internet", parallel to the "evil one". Open source software is introduced
in government institutes in Europe nowadays, I'd think that it wouldn't
take too long before open source has significant impact, or is this just
wishful thinking?

Regards,
Chris
 
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The little lost angel

non-TCPA hardware with open source (linux in my case) software? If so,
then why are only so few people warning about this? How long do you think

Just my 2 cents, I haven't sat down and wrote essays on TCPA...

Consumers in general have always taken the easy way out. How many Joe
Smith consumer made noise when the P3 serial numbers were introduced?
From my experience, not many even heard of it. If their IE doesn't
work without TCPA on their fave sites, they will just happily turn on
TCPA technologies, just the same way they happily accept cookies,
javascript and viral attachments.

And unless open source commands a significant percentage of the
market, it is hard to envision the success of an "open-source"
internet. Corporations would love the TCPA and if you remove
commercial sites from the Internet, it's not as attractive anymore.

Though with China's rising, it may be ironic but their support for
non-Microsofty stuff may provide the critical mass. Yet at the same
thing the Chinese government would probably love the
control/surveillance capabilities that TCPA will give them.

--
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If you need basic to med complexity webpages at affordable rates, email me :)
Standard HTML, SHTML, MySQL + PHP or ASP, Javascript.
If you really want, FrontPage & DreamWeaver too.
But keep in mind you pay extra bandwidth for their bloated code
 
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Tony Hill

Hmm... I don't know much about TCPA, but after reading the links in your
sig here are some questions and comments. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Do you mean that TCPA could be used to create a "controlled" internet?
Would it be possible to deny TCPA sites/information because I'm running
non-TCPA hardware with open source (linux in my case) software? If so,

Yes, in much the same way that current DRM (Digital Rights Management)
software will not run on most open source platforms. For example, if
I were to send you a DRMed Windows Media file for which you needed to
download a license, you would not be able to play it (or at least you
couldn't the last time I tried such a thing :> ). Same deal with
Apple's iTunes Music Store.

The only difference that TCPA will make is that it will add a hardware
component to allow for stronger DRM.
then why are only so few people warning about this? How long do you think

So few?!? There are PLENTY of people who have TOTALLY overreacted
about this stuff!
it would take to implement TCPA so widely that open source users would be
affected?

Depends on the media companies and consumer's willingness to put up
with PITA DRM software. So far consumers have not be overly in favor
of overly strong DRM controls.

Of course, you're going on the assumption that Linux will ignore TCPA
and not make use of the functionality, some of which is potentially
very useful stuff (from a security standpoint, DRM is only one part of
the whole package). There's no good reason why Linux couldn't support
TCPA and DRM in a very user-controlled sort of way. The real fear
with regards to this whole TCPA deal is that people are worried it
will be very Microsoft-controller rather than user-controller. Most
of these fears are fueled by the same people who wear snazzy tin-foil
hats so that the suns reflection will blind the pilots of the black
helicopters flying overhead... however a few of the fears may be
valid. MS has not exactly shown itself to be overly concerned with
helping their customers, more just screwing them over for more money
because they haven't had any other choice.
I'd think that this would result into a new, open source
"internet", parallel to the "evil one". Open source software is introduced
in government institutes in Europe nowadays, I'd think that it wouldn't
take too long before open source has significant impact, or is this just
wishful thinking?

Open source already has significant impact. Sales of Linux servers
are measured in the hundreds of millions of dollars these days, and
almost all of the commercial Unix vendors include a significant
quantity of open-source software along side their proprietary code.
One need only look to web servers to see that open source is
definitely here to stay, given that Apache (open source) is far and
away the leading HTTP server out there, having more than twice as many
users as the nearest competitor (the closed-source MS IIS).
 
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Paul Missman

I don't maybe then 64-bits does make sense if they are going to .NET.
64-bit might be the only thing fast enough to run it. :)

Yousuf Khan

All other things aside, by the time Longhorn is released, it might be so
bloated that it won't fit in a 4GB address space. That would rule out
running it in a normal 32-bit processor.

Paul Missman
 
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)

Do you mean that TCPA could be used to create a "controlled" internet?

Imagine a world where the media pimps have less value to offer in just
about every respect. They can't get material to you as fast, as
effectively, or in as much variety, plus they cost more anyway - the
only thing they *can* do, is promise the artist something of an income
stream (even if it's just a crust and a crumb or two).

Imagine a world where artists didn't need big business to provide
studios, promote material, bribe radio programmers, shlepp goods to
shops and so on. What's a big-biz media pimp to do?

Now imagine an ability to create artificial scarcity again, so that
each crumb of art has to be paid for with wads of notes. An in-depth
understanding of music? Who can afford it? Nah, you'll listen to
about 5 metal groups (if metal's your genre) that you hear on the
radio and feel you can rely on to be worth the money. You prolly
won't pick up on other genres; slice-n-dice demographics.

Now imagine being the only source of the magic keys, to which all the
big media-pimp knees must bend. Now *that's* a new market worth
picking a few legal scraps to monopoly-leverage yourself into!


------------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
The rights you save may be your own
 
A

Anonymous Joe

Paul Missman said:
All other things aside, by the time Longhorn is released, it might be so
bloated that it won't fit in a 4GB address space. That would rule out
running it in a normal 32-bit processor.

Paul Missman

Seeing how Longhorn is available for download from certain sources, and they
run fine on the current batch of 32-bit PCs, wouldn't it be a waste of time
to overhaul this and redesign it for 64-bit only? Its a complete waste of
the energy put into creating the 32-bit version.

Then again, they could release both....
 
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Tony Hill

Seeing how Longhorn is available for download from certain sources, and they

Err.. certain less-than-legitimate sources that is!
run fine on the current batch of 32-bit PCs, wouldn't it be a waste of time
to overhaul this and redesign it for 64-bit only? Its a complete waste of
the energy put into creating the 32-bit version.

First off, there is no "overhaul" or "redesign" required for 64-bit
only, Longhorn is certainly being designed to be 64-bit clean, so it's
just a recompile. The trick is not on the development side of things,
since it's relatively easy to develop for both 32-bit and 64-bit
systems at the same side, but rather on the support and validation
side of things, where these two need to be done separately.

If you look at the history of WinNT, you'll find that it was actually
developed on the MIPS platform, not x86. However it only ever sold
for MIPS for a very short time before that port was discontinued,
while x86 continues to live on to this day. The same could
theoretically happen with Longhorn, ie do the development work
initially on 32-bit x86 and but do all the final work and release only
for 64-bit x86-64.

This, of course, is VERY unlikely for Longhorn though. By 2006/2007
when Longhorn finally makes it to market there will still be LOTS of
32-bit x86 machines out there, and I'm sure that Microsoft will see
the benefit (read: money) in supporting these systems.
Then again, they could release both....

99% certain that they will indeed support both 32-bit x86 and 64-bit
x86-64, Microsoft has pretty much said as much already. By the time
Longhorn gets here even Intel should be selling 64-bit desktop
processors, while AMD will have been shipping nothing but 64-bit chips
for at least a year. Microsoft would be completely moronic to not
release an x86-64 version of Longhorn, and while occasionally some of
Microsoft's strategies are a bit questionable, they are not moronic
from a business standpoint.
 

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