Why is the VISTA upgrade Hamstrung? Please read and reply Microso

[Guest]

If people buy an upgrade version of Vista, and can only upgrade the existing
operating system, and discover the upgrade was corrupt due to viruses or
whatever, they will be forced to reinstall and activate XP, then upgrade
again?!? No clean install possible. The idea behind an upgrade has always
been if you are a previous owner, you are receiving a discount as a long time
user. I predict this apparent change will alienate the enthusiast community.

This is totally unfair, and certainly seems extremely unfriendly towards
customers. My XP Professional upgrade disk allows me a clean install, it is
bootable, and has diagnostics on it. Why does Vista not?

This is incredibly petty of Microsoft. It’s a mistake. The company will
definitely suffer serious repercussions if not corrected. It is simply bad
public relations. If Vista were a new movie in theatres that bombed on it’s
initial release, they would term it ‘box office poison’. If we can guide and
help Microsoft to see reality, maybe it’s not too late to avert disaster.

Reasonable compromise: 1) Make the upgrade disk bootable to utilities ONLY.
2) Force installation start from activated XP, BUT allow the option to have
the VISTA install format the drive and install clean after verifying the
genuine copy of XP.



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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/co...023&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

 

[John Barnes]

Why do you keep posting the same diatribe without bothering to read the
1,000 replies that have already been proffered. Wait until Colin gets his
answer or Darrell post updated information.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Let's wait and see what we hear from MS. Hopefully, this will all get
clarified to our satisfaction. Having said that, I'm with you.

 

[Dr. Heywood Floyd]

How do you *know* this? Can you cite an official MS position on this issue?

If people buy an upgrade version of Vista, and can only upgrade the existing
operating system, and discover the upgrade was corrupt due to viruses or
whatever, they will be forced to reinstall and activate XP, then upgrade
again?!? No clean install possible.

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[Guest]

I am sorry John. I will not create any new threads on this subject.

 

[Guest]

We are awaiting a reply from Microsoft from higher ups to please clarify the
issues.
However, from what I have learned from the threads The Vista disk is
reportedly non bootable. An upgrade must be started within the OS.
Furthermore, it cannot do a clean install. Only an upgrade of the existing
OS, even if that OS is corrupt, or
has a Virus. None of the repair options are available as a result.

 

[Terry Farrell]

I suggest you wait and see as this is all just speculation.

My gut feeling is that it MUST be bootable, otherwise the option to repair a
broken Vista installation will unavailable. That doesn't make sense.

Terry Farrell

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Nor do portions of the upgrade matrix.

I suggest you wait and see as this is all just speculation.

My gut feeling is that it MUST be bootable, otherwise the option to repair
a broken Vista installation will unavailable. That doesn't make sense.

Terry Farrell

 

[Guest]

The Vista upgrade disk is absolutely a Non bootable disk. This has been
verified through more than one Microsoft MVP. The idea being that one cannot
insert a prior OS disk, due to piracy during the upgrade process. Therefore,
the Vista upgrade disk must be ran from the actual desktop in XP that has
been verifed as being genuine before the upgrade will take place. I have
heard from no less that 4 Microsoft MVPs in here that a clean install is not
allowed, you may only upgrade.

 

[Kerry Brown]

To get a definitive answer we'll all have to wait until retail upgrade DVDs
are available for sale.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I hope we get an answer before then so folks can budget ahead. But I agree,
there is a lot we have not been told.

 

[John Barnes]

Thanks Jon. Sorry about getting snippy. We are all waiting for definitive
information

 

[Lang Murphy]

I guess my question would be: which flavor of Vista are we talking about?
Every upgrade for every flavor, e.g., Home whatever, vs. Enterprise or
Ultimate?

Lang

 

[Robert Firth]

That still doesn't mean it isn't bootable. That only means you can't boot
from it to install. You still might be able to boot from it to repair.

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[William]

If that turns out to be the case, then I will pass on Vista and remain with
XP until the time comes to purchase new computers which may be Apple
computers. Microsoft seems to be operating from the idea of how to wring the
most money out of the consumer market all the while considering them to be
pirates (until they prove themselves to be not) and too stupid to know how
to run an OS as a virtual computer. It would seem that there are people high
up in Microsoft that have a real disdain for the average home user and the
computer enthusiast and would prefer to only cater to the larger
corporations.

Apple seems to be a little better in that you can upgrade 5 apple computers
with the appropriate 5 license family pack for $179.00, but to upgrade 5
computers running Windows would cost $716.00.

 

[Guest]

All 'flavors' of Vista would be affected-if they are an 'upgrade'. It’s not
like I need to 'Budget' my money, as some in here have stated. I could
easily afford the full install. An Upgrade since Windows 95 meant, at least
to me, Microsoft saying, hey, you are my customer, no need friend to buy a
full disk, you are a returning customer. Just upgrade, clean install,
diagnostics, whatever you need. It’s all here. We care. Apparently, this
seems to have changed. Why should upgrade customers be treated any
differently than people buying a full version? The upgrade exists, or
should, to welcome returning customers, who have loyally supported Microsoft
by buying and using their products. Right now, I am not feeling particularly
like I am ‘special’.

 

[Dr. Heywood Floyd]

As the MVPs are want to spout here - They don't speak for Microsoft. I
doubt, VERY MUCH, if the initialed ones here have any more of a clue
than the rest of us.

The Vista upgrade disk is absolutely a Non bootable disk. This has been
verified through more than one Microsoft MVP. The idea being that one cannot
insert a prior OS disk, due to piracy during the upgrade process. Therefore,
the Vista upgrade disk must be ran from the actual desktop in XP that has
been verifed as being genuine before the upgrade will take place. I have
heard from no less that 4 Microsoft MVPs in here that a clean install is not
allowed, you may only upgrade.

<SNIP>

 

[Jeff]

lol
the initialed ones
ROFLMAO

As the MVPs are want to spout here - They don't speak for Microsoft. I
doubt, VERY MUCH, if the initialed ones here have any more of a clue than
the rest of us.




<SNIP>

 

[Dr. Heywood Floyd]

Why? There are many people that know the answer to the question in
discussion.

Now there are two questions:
The original - and
Why won't Microsoft provide an answer?

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Favorite initials of MVP's = RTFM.

lol
the initialed ones
ROFLMAO