Where is Linux today?

[Xomicron]

Linux?
So where *is* Linux?
After 10 years why does Microsoft still control at least 90% of the
desktop market?

Why does discussion in COLA focus on the misfires my Microsoft instead
of the success's of Linux?

Why is there so much mis-information and lies in COLA? An example is
the current Ford moves to Linux thread.

Why do Linux browsers still stink and why are Linux users so concerned
with standards and blaming Microsoft for the solid fact that the Linux
browsers do not render sites as well as Internet Explorer does?
Internet Explorer *IS* the standard and that is why website designers
make certain that their code works with Internet Explorer.
Do you think anyone cares if their site works with Konqueror, or
Galeon or any of the other shit Linux browsers? Of course not!

Why do Linux users constantly whine about Microsoft stealing and
copying technology yet deny that kde and gnome are looking more like
Windows every day?

Why do Linux users suggest outdated methods like wvdial and the xfree
how-to when superior tools exist?

Why does Open Office still not support Word documents properly?

If Linux is so good why do Linux users need wine?

Why can I walk through MicroCenter and see hundreds of pre-configured
systems, thousands of peripherals like video cards, CD-ROMs and so forth
yet I can't find a single system that is offered with Linux?

They even have an Apple section in the store with all the latest stuff
and they are in the process of re-organizing because the iPod demand
is so high they need more shelf space to display the stuff.

I was just in there today in the Atlanta store and Linux can only be
located in the book dept.

Face the truth linux nuts, Linux is totally and completely irrelevant
to us common desktop users.

Linux has not even made a ding in the desktop market.
Your group COLA is old, stale, redundent and full of technically inept
wingnuts that are a half a keg low and wrapped way too tight.

Linux isn't just dead as a desktop system, it truly wants to be put
out of its confused, embarrassing misery.

They shoot horses don't they?
Somebody pull the plug before rigormortis sets in on Linux.

 

[Pepe Le Peu]

Linux?
So where *is* Linux?
After 10 years why does Microsoft still control at least 90% of the
desktop market?

Linux has 16% of the desktop right now.

China just signed a license with Sun for 200 Million Linux desktops.

That's another 1/5th of the entire 1 Billion PC desktop universe.

Why does discussion in COLA focus on the misfires my Microsoft instead
of the success's of Linux?

Why do Steve Ballmer and Bill Gate$ rant and prance about Linux when Linux
leaders remain stoic and merely mete out good code.

Why is there so much mis-information and lies in COLA? An example is
the current Ford moves to Linux thread.

Why did Steve Ballmer and Bill Gate$ fund Bay Star with $100 Million in
slush fund money to try and 'stop Linux' only to watch the SCO fiasco
*explode* in their pimply faces.

Why do Linux browsers still stink and why are Linux users so concerned
with standards and blaming Microsoft for the solid fact that the Linux
browsers do not render sites as well as Internet Explorer does?

Why is Mozilla and Firefox the browsers of choice, worldwide?

Internet Explorer *IS* the standard and that is why website designers

Not according to W3C standards. IE is a rogue browser designed to subvert
standards so Micro$oft can capitalize on its own standards.

make certain that their code works with Internet Explorer.
Do you think anyone cares if their site works with Konqueror, or
Galeon or any of the other shit Linux browsers? Of course not!

Opera is the PC World editors choice browser. It's market is exploding.

Why do Linux users constantly whine about Microsoft stealing and
copying technology yet deny that kde and gnome are looking more like
Windows every day?

That's because XP ripped off the GNOME look and feel.

Why do Linux users suggest outdated methods like wvdial and the xfree
how-to when superior tools exist?

Ok, now everyone's falling asleep...WTF is wvdial ?

Why does Open Office still not support Word documents properly?

Because it's based on worldwide XML standards...something that M$ promised
to have in place by Office 10 -- but dropped the ball and failed miserably,
which is why Sun scored an enourmous deal to supply India with Open Office.

If Linux is so good why do Linux users need wine?

Because we need to drown our sorrows in alcohol from listening to 24x7
wintroll rants from the leader of MicroCrap.

Why can I walk through MicroCenter and see hundreds of pre-configured
systems, thousands of peripherals like video cards, CD-ROMs and so forth
yet I can't find a single system that is offered with Linux?

Maybe you should not wear your ski mask so far down on your eyes.

They even have an Apple section in the store with all the latest stuff
and they are in the process of re-organizing because the iPod demand
is so high they need more shelf space to display the stuff.

Yeah, like a $50 dollar mp3 player that can do everything the i-Peed does.

I was just in there today in the Atlanta store and Linux can only be
located in the book dept.

Where the smart people shop.

Face the truth linux nuts, Linux is totally and completely irrelevant
to us common desktop users.

Linux is the choice of 3/4 of the world's population of desktop users.
Brazil, India, China, Australian have all 'gone Linux'. The Dominoes have
fallen and they can't get up...

Linux has not even made a ding in the desktop market.
Your group COLA is old, stale, redundent and full of technically inept
wingnuts that are a half a keg low and wrapped way too tight.

Ok, so leave.

Linux isn't just dead as a desktop system, it truly wants to be put
out of its confused, embarrassing misery.

No, it wants a nice quiet home, away from needling winTrolls and rants from
Steve Ballmer and Bill Gate$

They shoot horses don't they?

Yes, when they have outlived their usefullness -- like Windos has...

Somebody pull the plug before rigormortis sets in on Linux.

Pull the tampon out of your ass, you'll feel a lot better...

 

[Xomicron]

Opera is the PC World editors choice browser. It's market is exploding.

Nobody can tell.

 

[Pepe Le Peu]

Nobody can tell.

If you live in a well, with your ears plugged with grease...perhaps...

 

[The Ghost In The Machine]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Xomicron
<[email protected]>
wrote

Linux?
So where *is* Linux?

Where is it supposed to be? On the desktop? Serving users?
Up your [censored]?

After 10 years why does Microsoft still control at least 90% of the
desktop market?

Because Microsoft performs well enough for most people, and
because most people don't know there's a better solution
out there. Presumably this is changing.

Why does discussion in COLA focus on the misfires my Microsoft instead
of the success's of Linux?

I can't say for sure, but part of it might be because we like
to see Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot. Then
again, the successes are there, just hidden; a true OS is
well-nigh invisible and the only thing one sees is the
actual results.

Why is there so much mis-information and lies in COLA? An example is
the current Ford moves to Linux thread.

You'll have to be more specific. I did dredge up

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/20689.html

but that doesn't go into detail as to whether Linux is being
used, or not -- I'd have to dig. And IBM is apparently of
two minds of it all; most of their consumer equipment has
XP on it, AFAICT.

Why do Linux browsers still stink and why are Linux users so concerned
with standards and blaming Microsoft for the solid fact that the Linux
browsers do not render sites as well as Internet Explorer does?

You'll have to be more specific on *that*. Browsers do not
include Smell-O-Vision. Also, IE and CSS2 have problems.

Internet Explorer *IS* the standard and that is why website designers
make certain that their code works with Internet Explorer.
Do you think anyone cares if their site works with Konqueror, or
Galeon or any of the other shit Linux browsers? Of course not!

They do if they want customers therefrom. At 3% of
the market (a lowball estimate to the higher 16%) it's
not horribly significant, perhaps -- but that market
is growing, and a lot of Windows users do use Mozilla
or Firefox.

Ignore it at one's peril.

Why do Linux users constantly whine about Microsoft stealing and
copying technology yet deny that kde and gnome are looking more like
Windows every day?

I'll admit I'm of two minds about that.

Why do Linux users suggest outdated methods like wvdial and the xfree
how-to when superior tools exist?

Such as?

I use ppp. I don't need graphical thingies to connect to the Net.
As for xfree, take your pick; there are at least three configurators
out there (one of them proprietary to ATI, admittedly).

Why does Open Office still not support Word documents properly?

Because the Word format keeps changing?

If Linux is so good why do Linux users need wine?

Linux is a kernel. Wine solves a completely different problem.

Why can I walk through MicroCenter and see hundreds of pre-configured
systems, thousands of peripherals like video cards, CD-ROMs and so forth
yet I can't find a single system that is offered with Linux?

Because the contract disallows it. Next Q!

They even have an Apple section in the store with all the latest stuff
and they are in the process of re-organizing because the iPod demand
is so high they need more shelf space to display the stuff.

I was just in there today in the Atlanta store and Linux can only be
located in the book dept.

Face the truth linux nuts, Linux is totally and completely irrelevant
to us common desktop users.

Linux has not even made a ding in the desktop market.
Your group COLA is old, stale, redundent and full of technically inept
wingnuts that are a half a keg low and wrapped way too tight.

Linux isn't just dead as a desktop system, it truly wants to be put
out of its confused, embarrassing misery.

They shoot horses don't they?
Somebody pull the plug before rigormortis sets in on Linux.

And what would we replace it with?

FreeBSD? Now there's a notion -- at least the FreeBSD trolls
are *intelligent*.

HURD? Not quite finished but looks like it's wiggling.

FreeDOS? Duh...monotasking. Duh. Still, it's a start.

BeOS? Dead. (Regrettable, admittedly; I would have liked to at
least look at it.)

MacOS? Apple-specific, though someone out there's probably trying
to figure out how to port it to x86 machinery.

AmigaOS? One can dream, although it's unlikely at this point.

Windows? Act now and get a FREE Upgrade to the Virus-O'-The-Day! And
we'll throw in an extra helping of adware as well!

 

[Luke Albers]

Why do Linux users suggest outdated methods like wvdial and the xfree
how-to when superior tools exist?

i dont use dialup anymore, but how is wvdial "outdated". Is there a
more advanced way to do this now???

 

[spike1]

i dont use dialup anymore, but how is wvdial "outdated". Is there a
more advanced way to do this now???

I can't think of one...
Check modem, send reset, sent init, send dialup command, wait, send user,
send pass, wait, when ppp stuff's detected, hand over to it...

Either that, or the other variants all covered by wvdial (unless the "isp"
is using non-standard practices).

Seems pretty straightforward to me. It's the only way TO do it.

 

[wally]

Nobody can tell.

Ask your friends at Microsoft,
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+behind+$12+million+payment+t
+Opera/2100-1032_3-5218163.html?tag=macintouch

 

[Xom \(smelly\) Crotch]

Why do Linux users suggest outdated methods like wvdial and the xfree
how-to when superior tools exist?

XombieCrotch trolls again!

 

[Mark]

After 10 years why does Microsoft still control at least 90% of the
desktop market?

Software support and hardware support. I'd dump XP for Linux this
afternoon if Linux could run all my software and if the hardware would
all work.

Why do Linux browsers still stink

Uh, they don't. I dumped IE a year or more back for Mozilla and hate
having to go back to IE for the few sites that refuse to use standard
HTML that works with all browsers. I don't understand why anyone still
uses IE at all, with all the security holes and popup ads.

Do you think anyone cares if their site works with Konqueror, or
Galeon or any of the other shit Linux browsers? Of course not!

If they don't care, then they're idiots. The sad thing is that the
management don't understand enough about the technology to realise
when their web developers are idiots.

Linux isn't just dead as a desktop system, it truly wants to be put
out of its confused, embarrassing misery.

LOL... I'm not sure whether you're a troll or just a VMS-- user who's
desperate to believe that Windows isn't facing a major threat from
Linux. For the things that the average low-end user does (email, web
browsing, word processing on standard low-end hardware) Linux is
probably a better OS than Windows these days, and available to anyone
for just the cost of a few blank CDs.

Mark

 

[Nonny Moose]

Software support and hardware support. I'd dump XP for Linux this
afternoon if Linux could run all my software and if the hardware would
all work.


Uh, they don't. I dumped IE a year or more back for Mozilla and hate
having to go back to IE for the few sites that refuse to use standard
HTML that works with all browsers. I don't understand why anyone still
uses IE at all, with all the security holes and popup ads.


If they don't care, then they're idiots. The sad thing is that the
management don't understand enough about the technology to realise
when their web developers are idiots.


LOL... I'm not sure whether you're a troll or just a VMS-- user who's
desperate to believe that Windows isn't facing a major threat from
Linux. For the things that the average low-end user does (email, web
browsing, word processing on standard low-end hardware) Linux is
probably a better OS than Windows these days, and available to anyone
for just the cost of a few blank CDs.

Mark

Well, the average Windows user who attempts to download and
then configure Linux might be dismayed, to say the least. The
browsers have to be messed with just to get plugins to work,
for example.

The (nominally expensive) boxed sets one can purchase from the
Linux outfits directly are the way to go for newbies, imo,
because everything is ready to go; not much in the way of
configuration except what one needs to personalize their OS.

I've been doing it both ways for a while, now.. I love the
learning experience of working with the download versions,
but have bought the SuSE 9.0 boxed set, just to see the
difference, and there is a big difference, for me, anyway.

But these big, hysterical put-downs of Linux that we see in
posts on usenet just tell me that it's a user who didn't
like to do the work that may have been needed to get things
up and running like they might have had it in XP or whatever.
Or maybe they just couldn't figure it out; I've been there
(still trying to get good streaming video/audio at foxnews.com,
for example, *without* pulling down literally 90% of my cpu).

-- Nonny

-- Nonny

 

[Mark]

The
browsers have to be messed with just to get plugins to work,
for example.

Well, I can't think of a single plug-in that I really want. Flash is
almost entirely used for 'style over content' sites and stupid
animated ads, Quicktime sucks and I always end up downloading the file
to watch seperately since the Quicktime player is slightly less
retarded than the plugin, and, uh... actually I think those are the
only two plugins I have installed on Windows.

Mark

 

[Swampee]

Well, I can't think of a single plug-in that I really want. Flash is
almost entirely used for 'style over content' sites and stupid
animated ads, Quicktime sucks and I always end up downloading the file
to watch seperately since the Quicktime player is slightly less
retarded than the plugin, and, uh... actually I think those are the
only two plugins I have installed on Windows.

Mark

But that doesn't change the fact that Linux browsers have to be messed
with just to get simple plugins to work.
Windows IE works with all of them.
Does Linux and it's sorry assed collection of shit browsers?
I think not.
SWAMPSTER

 

[Swampshit]

I think not.
Exactly.

SHITSTER

Wholely appropriate.

 

[Swampee]

Wholely appropriate.

Look...It's the cox... cock

 

[Swampshit]

Look...It's the cox... cock

All that idle time in the brain has got you thinking
about cock, eh?

 

[steph]

Does Linux and it's sorry assed collection of shit browsers? I think not.
SWAMPSTER

So why don't you stick with your "wonderful" windows and leave linux
newsgroups out of that.

 

[Mark]

But that doesn't change the fact that Linux browsers have to be messed
with just to get simple plugins to work.

Which plugins are actually beneficial to the average user? At work
I've deliverately avoided installing _any_ plugins because of the
annoying ways that marketing scum use them.

Windows IE works with all of them.

That's why the 'IE experience' is full of pointless Flash ads, popup
windows, spyware and other annoyances. And I particularly love that
bloody dialog box that comes up every single time I go to some
retarded Flash ad site telling me that 'it might not be displaying
correctly because I don't have the right plugin'... Gee, you'd think
that by the thousandth time I've got that message I might know already
and not need to be told again.

That, of course, is a good example of one of the main reasons for
preferring Linux over Windows. Windows assumes that the user is an
idiot, and doesn't even have a box I can tick to take it out of
'Stupid Mode', whereas Linux generally assumes that the user has an IQ
of at least 50.

Mark

 

[KenSol]

But that doesn't change the fact that Linux browsers have to be messed
with just to get simple plugins to work. Windows IE works with all of
them.
Does Linux and it's sorry assed collection of shit browsers? I think not.
SWAMPSTER

Mozilla Plugin list:

Java(TM) Plug-in 1.4.2_04-b05
Kaffeine Starter Plugin
gxine starter plugin
Default Plugin
Shockwave Flash
DjVuLibre-3.5.13
MozPlugger 1.5.2

PS. I didn't have to CONFIGURE any of these and they all work!!

 

[Patricia]

Mozilla Plugin list:

Java(TM) Plug-in 1.4.2_04-b05
Kaffeine Starter Plugin
gxine starter plugin
Default Plugin
Shockwave Flash
DjVuLibre-3.5.13
MozPlugger 1.5.2

PS. I didn't have to CONFIGURE any of these and they all work!!

Well here are mine, and like you I didn't have to do anything:

application/x-java-vm Java Yes
application/x-java-applet Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.2 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.3 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.4 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2 Java Yes
application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_03 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.2 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.3 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.4 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2 Java Yes
application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_03 Java Yes
MozPlugger 1.5.1

File name: mozplugger.so
MozPlugger version 1.5.1, written by Fredrik Hübinette <[email protected]> and Louis Bavoil <[email protected]>.
For documentation on how to configure mozplugger, check the man page. (type man mozplugger)

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
video/mpeg MPEG animation mpeg, mpg, mpe Yes
video/x-mpeg MPEG animation mpeg, mpg, mpe Yes
video/x-mpeg2 MPEG2 animation mpv2, mp2ve Yes
video/msvideo AVI animation avi Yes
video/x-msvideo AVI animation avi Yes
video/fli FLI animation fli, flc Yes
video/x-fli FLI animation fli, flc Yes
application/x-mplayer2 Windows Media wmv,asf,mov Yes
video/x-ms-asf Windows Media asf,asx,wma,wax,wmv,wvx Yes
video/x-ms-wmv Windows Media wmv Yes
image/x-macpaint Quicktime animation pntg,mov Yes
video/quicktime Quicktime animation mov,qt Yes
video/x-quicktime Quicktime animation mov,qt Yes
video/dl DL animation dl Yes
video/x-dl DL animation dl Yes
video/sgi-movie SGI animation movie,movi,mv Yes
video/x-sgi-movie SGI animation movie,movi,mv Yes
video/anim IFF animation iff,anim5,anim3,anim7 Yes
video/x-anim IFF animation iff,anim5,anim3,anim7 Yes
audio/mid MIDI audio file midi,mid Yes
audio/x-mid MIDI audio file midi,mid Yes
audio/midi MIDI audio file midi,mid Yes
audio/x-midi MIDI audio file midi,mid Yes
audio/mp3 MPEG audio mp3 Yes
audio/x-mp3 MPEG audio mp3 Yes
audio/mpeg2 MPEG audio mp2 Yes
audio/x-mpeg2 MPEG audio mp2 Yes
audio/mpeg3 MPEG audio mp3 Yes
audio/x-mpeg3 MPEG audio mp3 Yes
audio/mpeg MPEG audio mpa,abs,mpega Yes
audio/x-mpeg MPEG audio mpa,abs,mpega Yes
audio/mpeg-url MPEG music resource locator m3u Yes
audio/x-mpeg-url MPEG music resource locator m3u Yes
audio/mpegurl MPEG music resource locator m3u Yes
audio/x-mpegurl MPEG music resource locator m3u Yes
audio/x-ogg OGG audio ogg Yes
audio/x-scpls OGG audio pls Yes
application/x-ogg OGG audio ogg Yes
application/ogg OGG audio ogg Yes
audio/basic Basic audio file au,snd Yes
audio/x-basic Basic audio file au,snd Yes
audio/wav Microsoft wave file wav Yes
audio/x-wav Microsoft wave file wav Yes
image/sun-raster SUN raster image rs Yes
image/x-sun-raster SUN raster image rs Yes
image/x-rgb RGB Image rgb Yes
image/x-portable-pixmap PPM Image ppm Yes
image/x-portable-graymap PGM Image pgm Yes
image/x-portable-bitmap PBM Image pbm Yes
image/x-portable-anymap PBM Image pnm Yes
image/tiff TIFF image tiff,tif Yes
image/x-tiff TIFF image tiff,tif Yes
Default Plugin

File name: libnullplugin.so
The default plugin handles plugin data for mimetypes and extensions that are not specified and facilitates downloading of new plugins.

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
* All types .* Yes
Shockwave Flash

File name: libflashplayer.so
Shockwave Flash 6.0 r81

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes
application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes
nppdf.so

File name: nppdf.so

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/pdf Portable Document Format pdf Yes
RealPlayer(tm) 8.0 Plug-In

File name: rpnp.so
RealPlayer(tm) 8.0 LiveConnect-Enabled Plug-In

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin RealPlayer Plugin Metafile


I haven't had any troubles yet.
Maybe I need some good porn site to *screw* things up