What is 3000+ ?

C

Charles

I am doing some research to buy a computer. I don't know what the
difference is between:

CPUs:

AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 2600+
AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 2800+
AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 3000+

What are these numbers: 2600+, 2800+, 3000+ ? Is this related to the L2
cache memory?

RAM Memory:

DDR 512MB 266MHz PC2100 Corsair
DDR 512MB 333MHz PC2700 Corsair

What do PC2100 and PC2700 mean?
Thank you,
 
S

Sleepy

Charles said:
I am doing some research to buy a computer. I don't know what the
difference is between:

CPUs:

AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 2600+
AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 2800+
AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 3000+

What are these numbers: 2600+, 2800+, 3000+ ? Is this related to the L2
cache memory?

RAM Memory:

DDR 512MB 266MHz PC2100 Corsair
DDR 512MB 333MHz PC2700 Corsair

What do PC2100 and PC2700 mean?
Thank you,

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AMD processors are rated by performance rather than the speed they actually
run at. For example, my XP2400 runs at 2ghz actual but is equivalent to an
Intel 2.4 ghz.
The PC rating of RAM is also a performance rating I believe. If you get the
3000+ it'll run at 333mhz internally (bus speed) so get DDR333 to go with
it.
 
M

Mike Walsh

Charles said:
I am doing some research to buy a computer. I don't know what the
difference is between:

CPUs:

AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 2600+
AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 2800+
AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 3000+

What are these numbers: 2600+, 2800+, 3000+ ? Is this related to the L2
cache memory?

It is related to the clock speed e.g. a 3000+ to supposed to be equivalent to a 3 Ghz Pentium 4. The actual clock speed is lower.
RAM Memory:

DDR 512MB 266MHz PC2100 Corsair
DDR 512MB 333MHz PC2700 Corsair

What do PC2100 and PC2700 mean?

PC2700 memory use a 333 Mhz clock. It will theoretically transfer data at approximately 2700 MB/second. As with all ratings, the actual throughput will be somewhat lower.
 
C

Charles

The PC rating of RAM is also a performance rating I believe. If you get
the
3000+ it'll run at 333mhz internally (bus speed) so get DDR333 to go with
it.

Thank you. How did you find out that the 3000+ CPU runs at 333Mhz? Is
there a chart available on the Internet that lists the corresponding
values?

What does "PC2700" mean BTW?
Thank you,
 
P

Paul

I am doing some research to buy a computer. I don't know what the
difference is between:

CPUs:

AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 2600+
AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 2800+
AMD K8 Sempron64 754P 3000+

What are these numbers: 2600+, 2800+, 3000+ ? Is this related to the L2
cache memory?

RAM Memory:

DDR 512MB 266MHz PC2100 Corsair
DDR 512MB 333MHz PC2700 Corsair

What do PC2100 and PC2700 mean?
Thank you,

Go here and click "View all products". The Sempron
stats are near the bottom of the page.

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx

Here is a mini-primer on DDR.

They put memory chips on the DIMM, and try to make a
64 bit wide memory array. When they do that, that is
a "bank" or "side" of memory. Double sided memory
means enough chips are used to make two 64 bit wide
banks of memory, and the memory chips sit in parallel
on the memory bus. (Memory chips come in widths of
x4, x8, and x16, so the chip count needed varies,
depending on the width used for each one.)

As for the math, if we start with a 133MHz memory clock
signal and connect it to the memory chip, the memory chip
is DDR (double data rate), meaning data is transferred
on both edges of the clock signal. Each memory transfer
is 64 bits of data (8 bytes), which will be going to a
bank of memory. Thus, the bandwidth is

Bandwidth_DDR = clock x 2 x (8 bytes per transfer)
= 133 x 2 x 8 = 2128
= rounding a bit gives PC2100

In other words, the PCxxxx part is a bandwidth specification
in MB/sec theoretical max rate. The DDRxxx part is the
number of megatransfers per second, each being 8 bytes of
data.

A faster memory can be run at slower speeds, so a PC3200
memory can be run with a memory clock of 100, 133, 166, or
200MHz, giving bandwidths of 1600, 2100, 2700, or 3200MB/sec.
If you buy a PC2100 memory, if can run with memory clock of
100 or 133, and cannot run 166 or 200 (it would be overclocked
if you tried it). So, a faster memory allows it to be used
in more different computers.

And yes, the P.R. rating does depend on the size of the
cache. It also depends on the core speed. Somewhere on the
AMD site, they'll tell you exactly which tests they use,
to develop the P.R. rating, but good luck getting anything
from the lousy AMD search engine.

The Sempron performance is compared to Celeron D, which is
why the numbers are so high. The other processors on the
AMD site, are compared to a P4, a tougher opponent.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_11599_11605~101503,00.html

Paul
 
C

Charles

It is related to the clock speed e.g. a 3000+ to supposed to be
equivalent to a 3 Ghz Pentium 4. The actual clock speed is lower.

PC2700 memory use a 333 Mhz clock. It will theoretically transfer data
at approximately 2700 MB/second. As with all ratings, the actual
throughput will be somewhat lower.

Thank you Mike! Now I know :)
 
S

Sleepy

Charles said:
Thank you. How did you find out that the 3000+ CPU runs at 333Mhz? Is
there a chart available on the Internet that lists the corresponding
values?

off the top of my head Athlons from xp2500 to xp3000 run at 333 and from
3200 up run at 400fsb. of course there were socket A Athlons then socket 754
and 939 so check with the seller before you buy but Im 99% sure it'll be
333mhz. more importantly try to get a processor with 512kb of L2 cache as
you get Semprons now with both 256 and 512kb cache.
What does "PC2700" mean BTW?
Thank you,

dunno exactly what it means but DDR266 is PC2100, DDR333 is PC2700 and
DDR400 is PC3200 - its probably a bits n bytes thing. you know how the PC
industry is for using multiple ways of doing the same damn thing and never
using one term of reference when 4 can be dreamed up. its cause the damned
industry is so influenced by flippin Americans!
 
J

jona

Sleepy said:
[snippage]

dunno exactly what it means but DDR266 is PC2100, DDR333 is PC2700 and
DDR400 is PC3200 - its probably a bits n bytes thing. you know how the PC
industry is for using multiple ways of doing the same damn thing and never
using one term of reference when 4 can be dreamed up. its cause the damned
industry is so influenced by flippin Americans!

LOL.
So you'd rather rate in terms of 'lords', 'knights', 'dukes', etc ?
 

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