What does it mean FOrm ins't open, when it is open?

[Guest]

When I try to run the code below, i get an error message saying

"The object 'Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test' isn't open

I don't understand, because the form is actually open?

The code below is to take a value from one form and pass it to a control on
another form, both forms are on the same tab page, both forms are Subforms
on a master 'Runs' Form. They are positioned side-by-side, and i can see them
both, so how come Access say's it's not open?

The Code on the selector form that passes the contents of
'Waypoint_Selector' to the field 'Waypoint_Combo' on the target form/field.
The code errrors on this line:
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext


Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext

End If

 

[George Nicholson]

A form opened as a subform isn't an open Form. A form has to be open in a
stand-alone mode for it to be recognized as Open.

Please look at:
Refer to Form and Subform properties and controls
http://mvps.org/access/forms/frm0031.htm

Note that the Form name is 100% useless when establishing a reference to a
subform. You must use the name of the Control *containing* the subform. If
you used drag & drop or a wizard to place the subform these 2 objects *may*
have the same names, but you should treat that as simple coincidence because
you can't rely on it always being the case. It is crucial that you are aware
of the distinction or you might be spinning your wheels forever.

HTH,

 

[Marshall Barton]

When I try to run the code below, i get an error message saying

"The object 'Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test' isn't open

I don't understand, because the form is actually open?

The code below is to take a value from one form and pass it to a control on
another form, both forms are on the same tab page, both forms are Subforms
on a master 'Runs' Form. They are positioned side-by-side, and i can see them
both, so how come Access say's it's not open?

The Code on the selector form that passes the contents of
'Waypoint_Selector' to the field 'Waypoint_Combo' on the target form/field.
The code errrors on this line:
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext


Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext

End If

A form displayed by a subform control is not a member of the
Forms collection so there is no way to refer to it using
that mechanism.

You can navigate the records in one subform using this kind
of logic in the other subform:

Parent.RunTestsubformcontrol.SetFocus
Me.RunTestsubformcontrol.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

 

[Guest]

Marsh,

I tried a variation on your code, like this:

Parent.frm_RunTest.subformcontrol.SetFocus
Me.frm_RunTest.subformcontrol.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

i just put some periods in because I assumed you missed them out for
seperating fields, also the form name is actually frm_Run_Test. however,
either way doesn't work. With my version above i get:

Compile Error:
Method or Data Member not found

with your original version i get the same error message:


I really don't get it?

When I try to run the code below, i get an error message saying

"The object 'Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test' isn't open

I don't understand, because the form is actually open?

The code below is to take a value from one form and pass it to a control on
another form, both forms are on the same tab page, both forms are Subforms
on a master 'Runs' Form. They are positioned side-by-side, and i can see them
both, so how come Access say's it's not open?

The Code on the selector form that passes the contents of
'Waypoint_Selector' to the field 'Waypoint_Combo' on the target form/field.
The code errrors on this line:
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext


Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext

End If

A form displayed by a subform control is not a member of the
Forms collection so there is no way to refer to it using
that mechanism.

You can navigate the records in one subform using this kind
of logic in the other subform:

Parent.RunTestsubformcontrol.SetFocus
Me.RunTestsubformcontrol.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

 

[Guest]

Marshall,

Will this help give you an idea of my setup?

MY Main Form is called: Runs
My Target Subform is Called: frm_Run_Test
My Target Control is Called: AnswerWaypoint

My Selection form (that i get the data from) is called: frm_Run_Test_Selector
My Selection Field is called: Waypoint_Selector

Both Forms are on the Main Form: Runs


as previously mentioned, i want to place the data from one datafield on a
different form in the next available empty field on the subform, i don't want
a new record, as such; because the rest of the record is filled in, it is
just this missing data field that is blank, so presumably i want to use to
find the next available empty field with the change to your code below using:

RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNext
instead of
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew


I can get it to work for the first data field, and if i manually go to the
next empty Target field and place a cursor in it, then hit the action button

When I try to run the code below, i get an error message saying

"The object 'Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test' isn't open

I don't understand, because the form is actually open?

The code below is to take a value from one form and pass it to a control on
another form, both forms are on the same tab page, both forms are Subforms
on a master 'Runs' Form. They are positioned side-by-side, and i can see them
both, so how come Access say's it's not open?

The Code on the selector form that passes the contents of
'Waypoint_Selector' to the field 'Waypoint_Combo' on the target form/field.
The code errrors on this line:
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext


Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext

End If

A form displayed by a subform control is not a member of the
Forms collection so there is no way to refer to it using
that mechanism.

You can navigate the records in one subform using this kind
of logic in the other subform:

Parent.RunTestsubformcontrol.SetFocus
Me.RunTestsubformcontrol.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

 

[Marshall Barton]

Extra dots are not appropriate. Changing my guess at your
subform control name was the key thing you needed to do (in
addition to my mistake in using Me). Since you did not
provide the name of the subform control that is used to
display the form object frm_RunTest, I made up a name to
indicate what you needed to replace it with. ** IF** your
subform control has the same name as its displayed form
object, then the code would be:

Parent.frm_RunTest.SetFocus
Parent.frm_RunTest.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew
--
Marsh
MVP [MS Access]

I tried a variation on your code, like this:

Parent.frm_RunTest.subformcontrol.SetFocus
Me.frm_RunTest.subformcontrol.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

i just put some periods in because I assumed you missed them out for
seperating fields, also the form name is actually frm_Run_Test. however,
either way doesn't work. With my version above i get:

Compile Error:
Method or Data Member not found

When I try to run the code below, i get an error message saying

"The object 'Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test' isn't open

I don't understand, because the form is actually open?

The code below is to take a value from one form and pass it to a control on
another form, both forms are on the same tab page, both forms are Subforms
on a master 'Runs' Form. They are positioned side-by-side, and i can see them
both, so how come Access say's it's not open?

The Code on the selector form that passes the contents of
'Waypoint_Selector' to the field 'Waypoint_Combo' on the target form/field.
The code errrors on this line:
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext


Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext

End If

A form displayed by a subform control is not a member of the
Forms collection so there is no way to refer to it using
that mechanism.

You can navigate the records in one subform using this kind
of logic in the other subform:

Parent.RunTestsubformcontrol.SetFocus
Me.RunTestsubformcontrol.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

 

[Guest]

Marhsall,

I pasted your code in like this:

Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
Parent.frm_RunTest.SetFocus
Parent.frm_RunTest.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

End If
End Sub

But i can an error message:
Application-defined or object-defined error

also, how can i incorporate this line:

DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test.Form! [Waypoint_Combo],
acNext

which i believe should take me to the next available empty 'Waypoint_Combo'
field, or does your code take care of that?, only it seems that the fragment
'acCmdRecordsGoToNew' in your code seems to suggest that it will create a new
record (which would not be what i need as i already have the records, except
for the missing cruical address text.

Marshall,

Will this help give you an idea of my setup?

MY Main Form is called: Runs
My Target Subform is Called: frm_Run_Test
My Target Control is Called: AnswerWaypoint

My Selection form (that i get the data from) is called: frm_Run_Test_Selector
My Selection Field is called: Waypoint_Selector

Both Forms are on the Main Form: Runs


as previously mentioned, i want to place the data from one datafield on a
different form in the next available empty field on the subform, i don't want
a new record, as such; because the rest of the record is filled in, it is
just this missing data field that is blank, so presumably i want to use to
find the next available empty field with the change to your code below using:

RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNext
instead of
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew


I can get it to work for the first data field, and if i manually go to the
next empty Target field and place a cursor in it, then hit the action button

When I try to run the code below, i get an error message saying

"The object 'Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test' isn't open

I don't understand, because the form is actually open?

The code below is to take a value from one form and pass it to a control on
another form, both forms are on the same tab page, both forms are Subforms
on a master 'Runs' Form. They are positioned side-by-side, and i can see them
both, so how come Access say's it's not open?

The Code on the selector form that passes the contents of
'Waypoint_Selector' to the field 'Waypoint_Combo' on the target form/field.
The code errrors on this line:
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext


Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext

End If

A form displayed by a subform control is not a member of the
Forms collection so there is no way to refer to it using
that mechanism.

You can navigate the records in one subform using this kind
of logic in the other subform:

Parent.RunTestsubformcontrol.SetFocus
Me.RunTestsubformcontrol.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

 

[Guest]

Marshall ignore the last 'Error Message' post, it was a case of reinstating
the underscore in: 'frm_Run_Test'

But now that has been resolved, I get a different error message:

Run-time error 2046

The command or action 'RecordsGoToNew' ins't available now.

 

[Guest]

Marshall I have finally CRACKED IT!, with a huge dollop of your generous help
for which I am most grateful for.


Here's my working code.


Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
Parent.frm_Run_Test.SetFocus
Parent.frm_Run_Test.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNext

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
End If

End If

End Sub



Can you tell me how I can get the following routine into my code which
should kick-in when the user exhausts all avaliable empty fields.

Else
MsgBox "All fields are filled"
End If

I am trying to place this in, but I get a combination of different, If, or
block of errors, no matter what permuation I use I can’t seem to get it to
work.

Meanwhile, thanks for your help.

Extra dots are not appropriate. Changing my guess at your
subform control name was the key thing you needed to do (in
addition to my mistake in using Me). Since you did not
provide the name of the subform control that is used to
display the form object frm_RunTest, I made up a name to
indicate what you needed to replace it with. ** IF** your
subform control has the same name as its displayed form
object, then the code would be:

Parent.frm_RunTest.SetFocus
Parent.frm_RunTest.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew
--
Marsh
MVP [MS Access]

I tried a variation on your code, like this:

Parent.frm_RunTest.subformcontrol.SetFocus
Me.frm_RunTest.subformcontrol.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

i just put some periods in because I assumed you missed them out for
seperating fields, also the form name is actually frm_Run_Test. however,
either way doesn't work. With my version above i get:

Compile Error:
Method or Data Member not found

efandango wrote:

When I try to run the code below, i get an error message saying

"The object 'Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test' isn't open

I don't understand, because the form is actually open?

The code below is to take a value from one form and pass it to a control on
another form, both forms are on the same tab page, both forms are Subforms
on a master 'Runs' Form. They are positioned side-by-side, and i can see them
both, so how come Access say's it's not open?

The Code on the selector form that passes the contents of
'Waypoint_Selector' to the field 'Waypoint_Combo' on the target form/field.
The code errrors on this line:
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext


Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext

End If


A form displayed by a subform control is not a member of the
Forms collection so there is no way to refer to it using
that mechanism.

You can navigate the records in one subform using this kind
of logic in the other subform:

Parent.RunTestsubformcontrol.SetFocus
Me.RunTestsubformcontrol.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNew

 

[Marshall Barton]

Marshall I have finally CRACKED IT!, with a huge dollop of your generous help
for which I am most grateful for.

Here's my working code.

Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
Parent.frm_Run_Test.SetFocus
Parent.frm_Run_Test.Form.Waypoint_Combo.SetFocus
RunCommand acCmdRecordsGoToNext

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
End If
End If
End Sub

Can you tell me how I can get the following routine into my code which
should kick-in when the user exhausts all avaliable empty fields.

Else
MsgBox "All fields are filled"
End If

Well, aside from the fact that I don't fully undestand what
you are trying to accomplish here, I don't think I like that
code very much.

Whar's with the part about if the current record is filled
in, put the value in the next record? What if that one is
filled in too? Are you supposed to search down the form for
a record that's not filled in? Or is the user supposed to
select the record to fill in first? Maybe the user is
allowed to select a record and all you want to do is move to
the next record after the value is filled in the current
record??

Whatever it is, as long as you do not want to go to a new
record, we should not be messing with the focus unless it's
absolutely necessary. This kind of code is more to the
point about moving to the next record:

With Parent.frm_Run_Test.Form.Recordset
If Not .EOF Then
If IsNull(![Waypoint Then
!Waypoint = Me.Waypoint_Selector
End If
.MoveNext
Else
MsgBox "All records are filled"
End If
End With

But that may only be a start. Is there something else you
need to do?

 

[Guest]

Marshall,
I have a different problem now. So far the Form works, in that I can 'pick
and place' from the Selector Form/Control to the Target Form/Control, but now
I need a way of dealing with the incorrect entry. What I want to happen is
nothing. Just leave the available field empty, and… available for the next
attempt at getting it right. I suppose what I am asking is the possibility of
having an ‘If’ multiple condition, but I can’t seem to code for that scenario.

Which would be something like:

If the target field is blank
AND the target field is the correct match

Then fill it it.
If not, just leave it available for antother try.

I have tried to do something with the AfterUpdate of the Target Control but
though it seems to have the focus, it doesn't respond as if it doesn't have
the focus.

Marshall ignore the last 'Error Message' post, it was a case of reinstating
the underscore in: 'frm_Run_Test'

But now that has been resolved, I get a different error message:

Run-time error 2046

The command or action 'RecordsGoToNew' ins't available now.

When I try to run the code below, i get an error message saying

"The object 'Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test' isn't open

I don't understand, because the form is actually open?

The code below is to take a value from one form and pass it to a control on
another form, both forms are on the same tab page, both forms are Subforms
on a master 'Runs' Form. They are positioned side-by-side, and i can see them
both, so how come Access say's it's not open?

The Code on the selector form that passes the contents of
'Waypoint_Selector' to the field 'Waypoint_Combo' on the target form/field.
The code errrors on this line:
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext


Private Sub Waypoint_Selector_Click()

If IsNull(Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo]) Then
Forms.Runs.[frm_Run_Test].Form.[Waypoint_Combo] = Me.Waypoint_Selector
Else
DoCmd.GoToRecord acDataForm, "Forms!Runs!frm_Run_Test", acNext

End If

 

[Marshall Barton]

I have a different problem now. So far the Form works, in that I can 'pick
and place' from the Selector Form/Control to the Target Form/Control, but now
I need a way of dealing with the incorrect entry. What I want to happen is
nothing. Just leave the available field empty, and… available for the next
attempt at getting it right. I suppose what I am asking is the possibility of
having an ‘If’ multiple condition, but I can’t seem to code for that scenario.

Which would be something like:

If the target field is blank
AND the target field is the correct match

Then fill it it.
If not, just leave it available for antother try.

I have tried to do something with the AfterUpdate of the Target Control but
though it seems to have the focus, it doesn't respond as if it doesn't have
the focus.

More information please.

What does your code look like now?

What do you mean by "target field is the correct match"?